The Anthony Black Thread

[drsd]

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I don't know how valid a view it is but I think Black is better than Fultz already, and the best fit at PG.

Let's accept that teams have not figured out how to guard Black yet, and that his numbers will plummet. But so far: his per36 numbers are at a video game level.

His PER=18.0 is due to an eFG% north of 80%. He is shooting 79% with his 2-ball and 56% with his 3-ball. Also: his assist/TO is above 2, a very good line for a rookie guard.

If the Magic were to trade Fultz and Suggs for a SG upgrade and go with this depth chart, heck: why not?

Black/Anthony/some-dude
stud-SG/G-Harris/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Schofield
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

That looks like a playoff team to me. It won't make it out of round-1. But I do like it.

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[basketballRob]

Black is 4th in rookies Player Impact Estimate

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&PlayerExperience=Rookie&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=PIE


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[eyriq]

Black is 4th in rookies Player Estimated Impact.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&PlayerExperience=Rookie&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=PIE


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Purrrfect

[dsg2021]

Ate my crow and been a fan of Black too, but I won't forget how amazing Elfrid Payton's rookie year was and how no better seasons came of it. Granted, Black is not playing in a way that you can scout and counter too easily. There is hidden optimism!

[neuraldarwinism]

all the stats nerds are going to love him. so much impact on the game beyond the box score already. this is why the predraft models had him ranked so high.

his movement has a beauty to it.

[Residual-Heat]

I will also admit i didnt like the pick on draft night, but I didnt have any strong feelings, and kept an open mind. I love what ive seen so far though. I wanted Cam Whitmore but he fell to #20 and he hasnt been getting minutes.

Wanted Hawkins with the 11th pick and he seems to be doing well in NO We'll see if that was the right pick. Hopefully Howard works his way into the rotation at some point.

[YosemiteSam]

Was at the Bucks game last night and I saw a small thing I liked that says a lot to me about this kid’s attitude.

After a make by the Bucks, Black was running down the court and Middleton was on him and doing a veteran move to slow him down by pushing on him with a hand. A basic old guy keeping a young rookie in front of him with what is basically a foul but is never called. Black wasn’t having it and slapped Middleton’s hand away and took off downcourt. It was just a small sign of his confidence and attitude that even less than 10 games into his career he wasn’t going to be punked. I liked it!

[basketballRob]

Spinella called Black the best perimeter player to be in the draft for several years at 102:00.

https://youtu.be/MiFxBZZCfO0?feature=shared

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[basketballRob]

Derozan is an interesting comparison to Black because they're both the same exact height.

Derozan was 6 months older than Black coming into the league and averaged 8.6 ppg his rookie season. AB had a better college season than Derozan.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/gamelog/2010

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[fendilim]

Ate my crow and been a fan of Black too, but I won't forget how amazing Elfrid Payton's rookie year was and how no better seasons came of it. Granted, Black is not playing in a way that you can scout and counter too easily. There is hidden optimism!

I understand the skepticism if any, but think both are not on the same boat.

Elfrid had a lot of opportunity with the ball in his hands most of the time.

Anthony Black averages less. He has found his way to be effective off the ball.

[OrlChamps2030]

Derozan is an interesting comparison to Black because they're both the same exact height.

Derozan was 6 months older than Black coming into the league and averaged 8.6 ppg his rookie season. AB had a better college season than Derozan.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/gamelog/2010

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What a strange comparison

[basketballRob]

Derozan is an interesting comparison to Black because they're both the same exact height.

Derozan was 6 months older than Black coming into the league and averaged 8.6 ppg his rookie season. AB had a better college season than Derozan.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/gamelog/2010

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What a strange comparison

Before we drafted Black, I was comparing his size to other NBA players, and Derozan was a perfect match. Ironically, their stats have been pretty similar in college and the NBA so far.






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[Skybox]

Ate my crow and been a fan of Black too, but I won't forget how amazing Elfrid Payton's rookie year was and how no better seasons came of it. Granted, Black is not playing in a way that you can scout and counter too easily. There is hidden optimism!

I understand the skepticism if any, but think both are not on the same boat.

Elfrid had a lot of opportunity with the ball in his hands most of the time.

Anthony Black averages less. He has found his way to be effective off the ball.

Also, Elfrid was playing on a more traditional team, in a more traditional PG role...Paolo and Franz, potentially, change the whole role nowadays. Black is so hard to label or quantify but he's really intriguing.

I'll admit I've been dubious of claims that Fultz does a lot of "invisible" things and that's the same kind of value AB seems to bring.

[RichCollab]

Black on defense is a nightmare.

[The-Stallion70]

Ate my crow and been a fan of Black too, but I won't forget how amazing Elfrid Payton's rookie year was and how no better seasons came of it. Granted, Black is not playing in a way that you can scout and counter too easily. There is hidden optimism!

I understand the skepticism if any, but think both are not on the same boat.

Elfrid had a lot of opportunity with the ball in his hands most of the time.

Anthony Black averages less. He has found his way to be effective off the ball.

Also, Elfrid was playing on a more traditional team, in a more traditional PG role...Paolo and Franz, potentially, change the whole role nowadays. Black is so hard to label or quantify but he's really intriguing.

I'll admit I've been dubious of claims that Fultz does a lot of "invisible" things and that's the same kind of value AB seems to bring.

Elfrid had some ability to make teammates better but he was an awful defender and reluctant shooter.

Black is really good defensively and really big for a point guard and helps on the glass but his usage is really low, only 10.3% right now so he is not doing much on offense but has made a really high percentage of his shots so far.

[RichCollab]

JI, Black, and Suggs all have unique defensive impacts. People are going to hate playing is.

[Skybox]

JI, Black, and Suggs all have unique defensive impacts. People are going to hate playing is.

I agree whole-heartedly...there are lots of "good" defenders out there, but all 3 of those guys really make their presence felt on D.
The energy is just different when they're on the floor.

[JoshuaPotter]

Apparently Black was freed while I was working and out of town. Excellent.

I didn't expect him to come into the NBA and be a 20/8 kinda guy. But seeing him come in and have a huge impact even catching fire this early on is admittedly the most ideal situation. Moreso, people are seeing what Black can do on both sides of the floor. It is great.

[yoyojw17]

Black is 4th in rookies Player Estimated Impact.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&PlayerExperience=Rookie&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=PIE


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Purrrfect

And #1 in net Rating!! Just ahead of lively

[basketballRob]

Black is 4th in rookies Player Estimated Impact.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&PlayerExperience=Rookie&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=PIE


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Purrrfect

And #1 in net Rating!! Just ahead of lively

Yes, for players that start. Black's defensive rating is lower than Chet, Lively, Ausar, and Wallace, too.

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