Official Trade Thread (update pg. 12 Haslem/Seattle)

mattyBoi · Post #141 » by **mattyBoi** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:02 pm

I tend to believe what i hear from hoopsworld because it gives you persepective from miami as well.

With Denton you are just hearing otis' side of the story.

magicfan4life05 · Post #142 » by **magicfan4life05** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:09 pm

alridge is very credible

Optimus_Steel · Post #143 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:09 pm

mattyBoi wrote:For what its worth...Chad Ford just threw out a Kirelenko for Turkaglu and Expirings rumor.

Chad Ford = tool.

mattyBoi · Post #144 » by **mattyBoi** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:15 pm

I agree

DiplomaticMagic · Post #145 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:17 pm

So looks like there were actual talks with Orlando-Miami. But I'm not interested in Seattle's bigs. Onto Aldridge, according to theif he said "expects" so he doesn't have any saying that we will but West and Duhon I guess are upgrades but I'll be careful with what I give up.

Post #146 » by **SOUL** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:23 pm

Trade him to Nawlins!

DiplomaticMagic · Post #147 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:37 pm

On ESPN Insider Chad Ford said that he's been told Chris Wilcox and Nick Collison can be had for expirings.

If Collison can be had for expirings...DO IT!!

Bucs80 · Post #148 » by **Bucs80** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:43 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:On ESPN Insider Chad Ford said that he's been told Chris Wilcox and Nick Collison can be had for expirings.

If Collison can be had for expirings...DO IT!!

Wilcox.....

theTHIEF · Post #149 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:46 pm

Collison can shoot...Wilcox is a poor man's...well...Dwight Howard...i'll still take him, but he's not going to compliment Dwight in the starting lineup...

magicfan4life05 · Post #150 » by **magicfan4life05** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:49 pm

if they can be had for expirings, then theres no excuse, get err done otis!!

theTHIEF · Post #151 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:49 pm

apparently Mike Miller could end up in Sacramento or Indiana according to Bucher...yuck...

DiplomaticMagic · Post #152 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:54 pm

Collison is just like Haslem.

Collison > Wilcox

And just like Thief said Wilcox does not complement Howard.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #153 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:55 pm

If they can BOTH be had for expirings...why not get them BOTH?

Personally...I would favor this...

Orlando Gets
Chris Wilcox
Nick Collison
Earl Watson

Seattle Gets
Carlos Arroyo
JJ Redick
Pat Garrity
Tony Battie
Keith Bogans
Future First Round Pick

PG Watson/Nelson
SG Turkoglu/Dooling
SF Lewis/Evans
PF Wilcox/Collison/Cook
C Howard/Foyle

Optimus_Steel · Post #154 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:56 pm

Yea i think i would prefer Collison over Wilcox because Collison seems like the more willing rebounder and team player.

Bigmagicfan82 · Post #155 » by **Bigmagicfan82** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:57 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:If they can BOTH be had for expirings...why not get them BOTH?

Personally...I would favor this...

Orlando Gets
Chris Wilcox
Nick Collison
Earl Watson

Seattle Gets
Carlos Arroyo
JJ Redick
Pat Garrity
Tony Battie
Keith Bogans
Future First Round Pick

PG Watson/Nelson
SG Turkoglu/Dooling
SF Lewis/Evans
PF Wilcox/Collison/Cook
C Howard/Foyle

Feeling a little greedy today.

That is giving up way too much and we don't need both. Take the cheaper of the two.

Post #156 » by **TheGlyde** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:58 pm

Seattle is going to be a hard team to trade with IMO.

We can't exactly send them Dooling and Arroyo for Thomas or Collison or Wilcox, Seattle already has 3 PG's it would give them 5...

Mo Evans doesn't make much and Otis would probably not want to disrupt the starters, I guess we could offer Arroyo/Garrity but it still gives Seattle 4 PGs, so they would probably try to dump Ridnour/Watson on us in the deal.

While I think both PG's could help the team, having two PG's making well above average NBA salary is probably not something Otis wants to have happen either.

theTHIEF · Post #157 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:59 pm

1) Otis is beyond adamant about not trading JJ, he even reiterated his stance today....
2) Most GM's won's typically trade 5+ a 1st for 3 players, especially not with the size of the contracts in total that we'd be bringing back.
3) With us making a definite push for the playoffs I don't see us trading Battie if he can in fact come back. Battie will really boost the leadership in the playoffs, and Otis knows this...

N4U|Redux · Post #158 » by **N4U|Redux** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:59 pm

TheGlyde wrote:Seattle is going to be a hard team to trade with IMO.

We can't exactly send them Dooling and Arroyo for Thomas or Collison or Wilcox, Seattle already has 3 PG's it would give them 5...

Mo Evans doesn't make much and Otis would probably not want to disrupt the starters, I guess we could offer Arroyo/Garrity but it still gives Seattle 4 PGs, so they would probably try to dump Ridnour/Watson on us in the deal.

While I think both PG's could help the team, having two PG's making well above average NBA salary is probably not something Otis wants to have happen either.

It'd be fine with me if they "dumped" us RIdnour. Jameer would probably lose his position permanently if that happened.

Post #159 » by **TheGlyde** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 am

I like Ridnour too, alot, but he is very poor defensively as well which is one of Jameers main criticisms.

It would also basically be Otis saying 'I made a mistake extending Jameer when he is now our backup'... which given Otis history I don't see happening...

Bigmagicfan82 · Post #160 » by **Bigmagicfan82** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 am

TheGlyde wrote:Seattle is going to be a hard team to trade with IMO.

We can't exactly send them Dooling and Arroyo for Thomas or Collison or Wilcox, Seattle already has 3 PG's it would give them 5...

Mo Evans doesn't make much and Otis would probably not want to disrupt the starters, I guess we could offer Arroyo/Garrity but it still gives Seattle 4 PGs, so they would probably try to dump Ridnour/Watson on us in the deal.

While I think both PG's could help the team, having two PG's making well above average NBA salary is probably not something Otis wants to have happen either.

Any deal that happens with Seattle will require us taking back Ridnour or Watson.