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Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1421 » by cedric76 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:46 pm

After watching Weltman latest interview i m pretty confident that:

AG will be moved.

Vuc isn't gonna be moved (i love vuc but i think we should try to sell High)

Evan won't be here for long (either optout or on trading block)

Fultz is up for a great 2021 year

Off season will be fun

Sad note : we ll try hard to retain DJ :banghead:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1422 » by The Effect » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:50 pm

cedric76 wrote:Off season will be fun


Considering their moves in the past, this sounds scary, and not in a good way

Im just trying to think, what could be worse than signing aminu to a 10m a year deal.....I dont know, but im sure these guys can and will top it
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1423 » by Hogified05 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:51 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Remembering good old 2017 days when Gordon was new PG on the board and i was crying for Gordon- to Jamal Murray trade :(


Yea. I was big on Murray as well. I'd be interested however. If the Nuggets lose in the first round...you think they would trade MPJ for AG? I was flabbergasted we didn't take a chance on him 2 years ago when he dropped. We were able to take a chance on him with JI and AG roaming his position. Hell we did the same thing with Okeke last year and MPJ had 1st overall talent Okeke doesn't. Could have gave him the year to get healthy like the Nugs did. It was worth the risk to me based on dude's potential if he got right which he seems to have gotten right since.

It makes sense for both teams honestly. Nuggets pretty much lack any great defensive players. AG remedies that right away. AG seems to fit their team a whole lot better. Murray and Jokic are the go to players there, MPJ needs the ball as well and might disrupt their two stars. AG would know his role immediately and I think compliment the two stars a lot better than MPJ.

On the flip side MPJ is what we desperately need: go to scoring punch on the wing. He compliments JI a whole lot better then AG does I believe. JI can handle MPJ defensive deficiencies while MPJ is free to let loose on offensive. Maybe we can send Evan that way too for Harris, they seem out on Harris now as well. I don't know how the money works out.

Not sure, I just feel like if AG and MPJ switch teams they will both reach their max potential.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1424 » by VFX » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm

If Isaac is out for the entire season, we should be rebuilding.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1425 » by MasterGMer » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:02 am

cedric76 wrote:After watching Weltman latest interview i m pretty confident that:

AG will be moved.

Vuc isn't gonna be moved (i love vuc but i think we should try to sell High)

Evan won't be here for long (either optout or on trading block)

Fultz is up for a great 2021 year

Off season will be fun

Sad note : we ll try hard to retain DJ :banghead:


How are you sure Magic is going to move AG based on the interview?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1426 » by drsd » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:00 am

MagicMatic wrote:If Isaac is out for the entire season, we should be rebuilding.


Isaac IS out for the whole of nextseason. Welmann has confirmed that.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1427 » by fendilim » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:56 am

AG might make sense for the Nuggets with Milsap’s age being up there. But one has to wonder if they would need more forward when they have Bol and MPJ.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1428 » by Def Swami » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:45 pm

MPJ's ceiling is 100x higher than Gordon's. He's on a rookie deal. They control his salary for the next 6 years. There's no way they are trading MPJ for Gordon.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1429 » by tiderulz » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:20 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Remembering good old 2017 days when Gordon was new PG on the board and i was crying for Gordon- to Jamal Murray trade :(


Yea. I was big on Murray as well. I'd be interested however. If the Nuggets lose in the first round...you think they would trade MPJ for AG? I was flabbergasted we didn't take a chance on him 2 years ago when he dropped. We were able to take a chance on him with JI and AG roaming his position. Hell we did the same thing with Okeke last year and MPJ had 1st overall talent Okeke doesn't. Could have gave him the year to get healthy like the Nugs did. It was worth the risk to me based on dude's potential if he got right which he seems to have gotten right since.

It makes sense for both teams honestly. Nuggets pretty much lack any great defensive players. AG remedies that right away. AG seems to fit their team a whole lot better. Murray and Jokic are the go to players there, MPJ needs the ball as well and might disrupt their two stars. AG would know his role immediately and I think compliment the two stars a lot better than MPJ.

On the flip side MPJ is what we desperately need: go to scoring punch on the wing. He compliments JI a whole lot better then AG does I believe. JI can handle MPJ defensive deficiencies while MPJ is free to let loose on offensive. Maybe we can send Evan that way too for Harris, they seem out on Harris now as well. I don't know how the money works out.

Not sure, I just feel like if AG and MPJ switch teams they will both reach their max potential.

i wasnt surprised that many people didnt take MPJ. he was injured in college, his high school highlights and scouting report was that he was a good shooter, but couldnt do more than catch and shoot, didnt have handles. Anyone 6'11 is going to be able to shoot over most high school opponents.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1430 » by j-ragg » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:29 pm

No chance AG or anyone on the roster can get us MPJ.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1431 » by thelead » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:27 pm

j-ragg wrote:No chance AG or anyone on the roster can get us MPJ.

Agreed and he was there for the taking at #6 but we took Bamba instead. While I was happy enough with Bamba, considering our position, the smart bet was MPJ since he was a #1 talent in a stacked draft that only dropped due to injury.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1432 » by VFX » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:30 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:If Isaac is out for the entire season, we should be rebuilding.


Isaac IS out for the whole of nextseason. Welmann has confirmed that.


Correct.

So we know what must be done. It’s a wash of a season if we have no Isaac and are expecting better results.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1433 » by thelead » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:37 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:If Isaac is out for the entire season, we should be rebuilding.


Isaac IS out for the whole of nextseason. Welmann has confirmed that.


Correct.

So we know what must be done. It’s a wash of a season if we have no Isaac and are expecting better results.

Anyone expecting to make the playoffs without Isaac and with the east getting better is delusional... then again... it could be a great way to get rid of Clifford and this front office...

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1434 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:14 pm

j-ragg wrote:No chance AG or anyone on the roster can get us MPJ.

Agreed, but I would take Barton, Monte Morris and their 1st for him.

A starting wing and a backup PG who can shoot. No need to over think.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1435 » by drsd » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:23 pm

Orlando was actually better than Phill in the post-season.

For those of you wanting to "blow it up", it DOES NOT WORK !

Watch this.






Tanking is awful on all sides and is indefensible. Trading :all Vets" for draft picks - as a concept, makes me sick. I am thrilled that Magic management is super patient.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1436 » by VFX » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:30 pm

drsd wrote:Orlando was actually better than Phill in the post-season.

For those of you wanting to "blow it up", it DOES NOT WORK !

Watch this.






Tanking is awful on all sides and is indefensible. Trading :all Vets" for draft picks - as a concept, makes me sick. I am thrilled that Magic management is super patient.


Why are you being perpetually dense about terminology?

This has been explained. “Blowing it up” doesn’t 100% equal “the process”. They could be patient and still be lapped by teams that decided to make bold decisions that weren’t fielding a .500 roster with an absolute ceiling.

You make it sound like trades, to make a more logical roster, are out of the question entirely.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1437 » by Ducklett » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:38 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:Orlando was actually better than Phill in the post-season.

For those of you wanting to "blow it up", it DOES NOT WORK !

Watch this.






Tanking is awful on all sides and is indefensible. Trading :all Vets" for draft picks - as a concept, makes me sick. I am thrilled that Magic management is super patient.


Why are you being perpetually dense about terminology?

This has been explained. “Blowing it up” doesn’t 100% equal “the process”. They could be patient and still be lapped by teams that decided to make bold decisions that weren’t fielding a .500 roster with an absolute ceiling.

You make it sound like trades, to make a more logical roster, are out of the question entirely.


Now do the Mavs and Doncic. If only we would have lost a few games that year we would be the ones with him and not Bamba.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1438 » by pepe1991 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:38 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:Orlando was actually better than Phill in the post-season.

For those of you wanting to "blow it up", it DOES NOT WORK !

Watch this.






Tanking is awful on all sides and is indefensible. Trading :all Vets" for draft picks - as a concept, makes me sick. I am thrilled that Magic management is super patient.


Why are you being perpetually dense about terminology?

This has been explained. “Blowing it up” doesn’t 100% equal “the process”. They could be patient and still be lapped by teams that decided to make bold decisions that weren’t fielding a .500 roster with an absolute ceiling.

You make it sound like trades, to make a more logical roster, are out of the question entirely.


To maximise odds you have to minimize chance at winnig games, so yea, blowing it up to start the process is "best " way to avoid winning. But it guts your roster, rookie scale contracts overlap and big portion of picks never reach level where they were worth tanking.

Simmons, Fultz, Wiggins and Ayton are 1# picks. It's impossible to win nba finals with any of them as 1# option.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1439 » by thelead » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:45 pm

I don't care what you want to call it. Retooling/blowing it up/etc. Whatever you want to call it, the majority of the core/rotation cannot remain on this roster moving forward.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#1440 » by VFX » Tue Sep 1, 2020 10:54 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:Orlando was actually better than Phill in the post-season.

For those of you wanting to "blow it up", it DOES NOT WORK !

Watch this.






Tanking is awful on all sides and is indefensible. Trading :all Vets" for draft picks - as a concept, makes me sick. I am thrilled that Magic management is super patient.


Why are you being perpetually dense about terminology?

This has been explained. “Blowing it up” doesn’t 100% equal “the process”. They could be patient and still be lapped by teams that decided to make bold decisions that weren’t fielding a .500 roster with an absolute ceiling.

You make it sound like trades, to make a more logical roster, are out of the question entirely.


To maximise odds you have to minimize chance at winnig games, so yea, blowing it up to start the process is "best " way to avoid winning. But it guts your roster, rookie scale contracts overlap and big portion of picks never reach level where they were worth tanking.

Simmons, Fultz, Wiggins and Ayton are 1# picks. It's impossible to win nba finals with any of them as 1# option.


“The process” is purposeful losing to gain high draft picks only for multiple terrible seasons. Nobody is advocating for that. Not only does it not work now with lottery reform, but there are other avenues to acquiring talent.

Anybody in the world would trade OKC’s assets for Orlando’s. They didn’t need to tank to get there. Orlando doesn’t even need to strike rich like they did with their deals on a comparable level. You get the point.

Quit pretending like Philadelphia’s process is the only way to get decent draft position and prospects.

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