2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[Raidmagic]

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

He MIGHT of been worth it 3 years ago, but today he's not

Today he's guy who's played 13 games since the calendar hit jan 1st, 2020 and has had multiple injuries since then

Sorry but this guy needs to go and anyone looking at the situation logically can see that. Some people want to keep him on the off chance that he stays healthy for a full season because they are still expecting the same level player they expected back in 2018, but at this point, even if he stays healthy he's a backup on every team in the league, and yet he's a backup here as well but unfortunately he's our highest paid player

This year that money could of gone to bringing in someone who could of actually made a difference

To put it another way, hypothetically say we cut him before free agency, would ANY TEAM of signed him for the 17m he's going to make next season? Hell would any team even be willing to give him a multi-year deal that equals 17m? Unless it's a 4 year, I can't imagine a team signing him for that kinda money, and yet people here are perfectly ok with keeping him for that money... Because of the "what if"

Thank you. I just don't understand the love for this player. As a man, good guy, as a player, a giant black hole on the floor and on the balance sheet. Time to cut bait.

[drsd]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

[Skybox]

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

is he? or is he too broken to play more than 10 mpg for 20 games before he breaks down again?

Probably...but if he is, Jan 9 is likely the day of reckoning...as I mentioned-plenty of time to evaluate his capabilty and plenty of time before the TD to utilize his contract savings in a deal (not for him, with the cap space)...also, should be enough time to have more info on who, among our bloated but promising guard rotation is here for the long haul and where we need to shore up.

[Residual-Heat]

Since Brooklyn and Miami are the two most likely destinations for Dame. Would you rather have Tyler Herro or Spencer Dinwiddie?

[Skybox]

Since Brooklyn and Miami are the two most likely destinations for Dame. Would you rather have Tyler Herro or Spencer Dinwiddie?

Herro, all day...I like Dinwiddie and proposed trades for him to replace Fultz, but with Black in the fold...a big scoring guard is again center stage, IMO. Simons would be my second choice, but I think Herro (despite his shortcomings) has offensive starpower.

[basketballRob]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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[jonbob17]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?[/quote}

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

I wouldn't trade Suggs and three firsts for Brown. That would not make Orlando a title contender. Paolo is still a ways off from being an all star let alone a top 15 or so nba player. Brown is probably the third best player on the Celtics right now, and he is going to be extremely expensive starting next year. Like max money, 4/190 kind of expensive.

The Celtics are probably kicking themselves right now, because a Dame-Jaylen Brown centric deal has always made a lot of sense, and a lot more sense when the Celtics had Marcus Smart...surely there was a way to keep Brogdon in the deal.

Dame
Smart
Tatum
KP
Rob Williams
with Derrick White getting 30 minutes a game at guard and 6th man

That's a lineup...or better yet add another wing and put KP at center


PS I don't know why Magic fans always think quantity = quality. I am not sure 5 for 1 trades make sense...ever.

[mattdelray1220]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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Ive thought for some time now that Jaylen Brown is their target. I mean they can outright sign him next offseason. I know it doesnt really seem to work that way anymore but still. He is someone I believe we can get. It would really put an end to who is our SG talk. the 2345 would be set in stone for years to come. I am game for this.

[jonbob17]

0 chance Isaac gets waived before his date. This FO has been so patient even though anyone with a brain knows what the end result is.

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

He MIGHT of been worth it 3 years ago, but today he's not

Today he's guy who's played 13 games since the calendar hit jan 1st, 2020 and has had multiple injuries since then

Sorry but this guy needs to go and anyone looking at the situation logically can see that. Some people want to keep him on the off chance that he stays healthy for a full season because they are still expecting the same level player they expected back in 2018, but at this point, even if he stays healthy he's a backup on every team in the league, and yet he's a backup here as well but unfortunately he's our highest paid player

This year that money could of gone to bringing in someone who could of actually made a difference

To put it another way, hypothetically say we cut him before free agency, would ANY TEAM of signed him for the 17m he's going to make next season? Hell would any team even be willing to give him a multi-year deal that equals 17m? Unless it's a 4 year, I can't imagine a team signing him for that kinda money, and yet people here are perfectly ok with keeping him for that money... Because of the "what if"

If Isaac was a free agent right now, I would be shocked if he got more than a one year deal, unless it was a team option, no idea on the money assuming a team with space would have rolled the dice on some $ for one year. Fortunately for the Magic they have him on a 3 month deal, with an option for another 3 months, and then another option for next season. I don't know that the money matters at this point, or at any point really. As for the money Isaac getting $17M as a backup playing 60 games or more would be fine. Bruce Brown just got 2/45 for a back up role, and I love Bruce brown. a fraction of Isaac as a back up is worth 17M as long as that shadow is playing.

Someone else pointed out the Magic could theoretically use Isaac as cap match and then the other team could decline option and save a lot of money towards this year's cap. That's probably a very valuable proposition...hoping that the Magic can't choose that route because we have 3 months of a healthy and effective Isaac, but it is Isaac...so...

[tiderulz]

Since Brooklyn and Miami are the two most likely destinations for Dame. Would you rather have Tyler Herro or Spencer Dinwiddie?

Herro, all day...I like Dinwiddie and proposed trades for him to replace Fultz, but with Black in the fold...a big scoring guard is again center stage, IMO. Simons would be my second choice, but I think Herro (despite his shortcomings) has offensive starpower.

i like Herro, but damn Miami gave him a bigger contract than warranted.

[Skybox]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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I'm out on Brown. I love his game but that SuperMax for a guy who can't handle the ball or initiate for others is a killer. He's great but...If you're going to have 3 max players - One of them needs to be the guy with the ball in his hands on every play, IMO. SG's just don't deserve that much. That's QB money and they are skill players, but not QB's.

[Airgordon00]

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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I'm out on Brown. I love his game but that SuperMax for a guy who can't handle the ball or initiate for others is a killer. He's great but...If you're going to have 3 max players - One of them needs to be the guy with the ball in his hands on every play, IMO. SG's just don't deserve that much. That's QB money and they are skill players, but not QB's.

I understand that concern but with Fultz running the point he won’t have to worry about that as much. Plus Franz and Paolo both can be point forwards. Brown is a career 36% 3 point shooter with great size at the 2. He can guard multiple positions which is what this front office values. Plus he is still young enough to grow with this team. Plus he has a lot of playoff experience which our roster really lacks.

[tiderulz]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Jaylen Brown? If Dame says he is ok with going to Boston, we could be a great 3rd team to take Jaylen Brown on. I think our assets would be more desirable to Portland than Miami’s.

Magic in: Jaylen Brown and Malcom Brogdon.

Celtics in: Damian Lillard

Trailblazers in: Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, Boston 1st, Magic 3 firsts with protections.

Fultz, Black, F/A vet
Brown, Brogdon, Harris
Wagner, Howard, Houstan
Paolo, Ingles, Bol
Carter, M. Wagner, Bitzade

You have a really great young big 3 that can grow together. I think the bench could be really solid with Brogdon and Ingles leading the way. Plus we won’t have to worry about Cole’ Extension and if Suggs could be a reliable undersized Sg. I know Brown had a bad playoff run but I still think he is a damn good player.

Thoughts?

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

except you are trading all that for Brown who could not like Orlando and leave next summer.

[tiderulz]

Yes the Magic would trade Suggs, Anthony, Isaac, G-Harris, Okeke, and three lottery-protected firsts for Brown.

What you made is Orlando as a title contender, if not this year, then next.

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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I'm out on Brown. I love his game but that SuperMax for a guy who can't handle the ball or initiate for others is a killer. He's great but...If you're going to have 3 max players - One of them needs to be the guy with the ball in his hands on every play, IMO. SG's just don't deserve that much. That's QB money and they are skill players, but not QB's.

completely agree. he is not a max deal player. but his agent will get him close and in a year, the team owning that contract will regret it

[tiderulz]

It depends on what type of team you want. Do you want 3 max players and a bunch of minimum players, or do you want two max players and 5 MLE type players.

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I'm out on Brown. I love his game but that SuperMax for a guy who can't handle the ball or initiate for others is a killer. He's great but...If you're going to have 3 max players - One of them needs to be the guy with the ball in his hands on every play, IMO. SG's just don't deserve that much. That's QB money and they are skill players, but not QB's.

I understand that concern but with Fultz running the point he won’t have to worry about that as much. Plus Franz and Paolo both can be point forwards. Brown is a career 36% 3 point shooter with great size at the 2. He can guard multiple positions which is what this front office values. Plus he is still young enough to grow with this team. Plus he has a lot of playoff experience which our roster really lacks.

are we doing this again? trying to design a team around a subpar player with big deficiencies in his game? instead of just replacing the player with a better player

[Skybox]

I'm out on Brown. I love his game but that SuperMax for a guy who can't handle the ball or initiate for others is a killer. He's great but...If you're going to have 3 max players - One of them needs to be the guy with the ball in his hands on every play, IMO. SG's just don't deserve that much. That's QB money and they are skill players, but not QB's.

I understand that concern but with Fultz running the point he won’t have to worry about that as much. Plus Franz and Paolo both can be point forwards. Brown is a career 36% 3 point shooter with great size at the 2. He can guard multiple positions which is what this front office values. Plus he is still young enough to grow with this team. Plus he has a lot of playoff experience which our roster really lacks.

are we doing this again? trying to design a team around a subpar player with big deficiencies in his game? instead of just replacing the player with a better player

either that or Fultz is re-signing for $5m/year

[eyriq]

I'm completely out on Brown. No interest at all. He is extremally overrated imo.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Since Brooklyn and Miami are the two most likely destinations for Dame. Would you rather have Tyler Herro or Spencer Dinwiddie?

Herro, all day...I like Dinwiddie and proposed trades for him to replace Fultz, but with Black in the fold...a big scoring guard is again center stage, IMO. Simons would be my second choice, but I think Herro (despite his shortcomings) has offensive starpower.

Agreed. Herro, easily.

I think he’d fit our team better than Jaylen Brown

[ogmagicfan]

Anyone wanting to bring back Fournier is lazy and going with what they know from the past because they don't want anything new

It's like going back to a toxic ex because you dont want to look for anything better

Except the toxic ex is a worse person (player) now

[The Effect]

The issue is that JI is worth the patience. The FO knows that. If he is healthy he is a top 10-20 defender in the NBA. I am not saying it's going to happen but I mean if hes healthy and 20-25 off the bench. The what if is what is keeping the FO patient. Could be a mistake but not too many other options. This is his last chance though with the Magic.

He MIGHT of been worth it 3 years ago, but today he's not

Today he's guy who's played 13 games since the calendar hit jan 1st, 2020 and has had multiple injuries since then

Sorry but this guy needs to go and anyone looking at the situation logically can see that. Some people want to keep him on the off chance that he stays healthy for a full season because they are still expecting the same level player they expected back in 2018, but at this point, even if he stays healthy he's a backup on every team in the league, and yet he's a backup here as well but unfortunately he's our highest paid player

This year that money could of gone to bringing in someone who could of actually made a difference

To put it another way, hypothetically say we cut him before free agency, would ANY TEAM of signed him for the 17m he's going to make next season? Hell would any team even be willing to give him a multi-year deal that equals 17m? Unless it's a 4 year, I can't imagine a team signing him for that kinda money, and yet people here are perfectly ok with keeping him for that money... Because of the "what if"

I don't know that the money matters at this point, or at any point really. As for the money Isaac getting $17M as a backup playing 60 games or more would be fine. Bruce Brown just got 2/45 for a back up role, and I love Bruce brown. a fraction of Isaac as a back up is worth 17M as long as that shadow is playing.

I REALLY hate this way of thinking. People say this as if 17m wouldnt bring in a player that would help this team right away and yet people are really ok with just giving that up on the OFF CHANCE that isaac someday regains the POTENTIAL that he showed in 2018...5 years and multiple injuries
Also "isaac getting 17M as a backup playing 60 games or more would be fine"
A) Wrong, 17m a year for a backup defensive specialist (if hes even that anymore) is insane even in todays nba
B) If you went to vegas right now and tried to place 2 bets, One on the orlando magic winning 60 games next year, or Jonathan isaac PLAYING 60 games, im sure Vegas would believe us winning 60 is much more likely. Isaac has played more than 35 games ONCE in his whole career.......60 would be a pipe dream

Weham are obsessed with wasting money on players on Jonathan Isaac and Gary Harris instead of actually trying to improve this team signing someone that will actually help us win games in 2023.
Austin Reaves signed for 13, you dont think him at 17 would help this team more than JI in 2023?
Herb Jones signed for 14, im sure he would of taken an extra 3m per to come to orlando, he would be a similar but much better option
Hell Even role players like Divicenzo and Coby White (WOW BRO!!) would be upgrades that could help up next year over JI coming off yet another leg injury

THis whole obsession with JI's 2018 potential is "mind-blasting" to me, honestly id love to know what it would take for people to finally move on from this bust since its clear "inability to jump and land without injuring himself" isnt enough