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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1741 » by Detective » Sun May 26, 2019 5:35 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Detective wrote:Thank you Magic Kingdom fam, for playing us with some crazy energy and intensity. IDGAF what anyone else says, those 5 games were amazing, for such a young and growing team to play in. The series was respectful between both sides, and appreciate you for allowing us to debate and discuss in here as opposing fans.

Shoutout as always, to the homie SOUL

except for game 1, Toronto destroyed us. nothing amazing about those games to me. Maybe amazing to Raptor fans because you guys won.


Are you kidding me? As a basketball fan, watching your young guns play hard was a pleasure. No damn fear. Gordon and Isaac will be tough in the coming years. Thanos is a real one, too.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1742 » by tiderulz » Sun May 26, 2019 5:55 pm

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Detective wrote:Thank you Magic Kingdom fam, for playing us with some crazy energy and intensity. IDGAF what anyone else says, those 5 games were amazing, for such a young and growing team to play in. The series was respectful between both sides, and appreciate you for allowing us to debate and discuss in here as opposing fans.

Shoutout as always, to the homie SOUL

except for game 1, Toronto destroyed us. nothing amazing about those games to me. Maybe amazing to Raptor fans because you guys won.


Are you kidding me? As a basketball fan, watching your young guns play hard was a pleasure. No damn fear. Gordon and Isaac will be tough in the coming years. Thanos is a real one, too.

Isaac is a major project on offense, Gordon is what he is, 3rd option on a good team. Have no idea who you are referring to Thanos. I dont want to watch young guys play hard and lose big. I could watch D-League for that. give me players that have ability and are making their next development steps. Shoot, Gordon will be playing his 6th year next year and some people keep saying "wait until he develops XXX next year". This team isnt even a treadmill team, no guarantee we even make the playoffs next year. And we still have decisions on Ross and Vuc. the outlook isnt bleak, but it isnt great for this team right now either
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Post#1743 » by Detective » Sun May 26, 2019 5:57 pm

Thanos is what Raptors fans calls Steve Clifford

He's an awesome and wholesome dude
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1744 » by KillMonger » Sun May 26, 2019 6:06 pm

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Solid Snake wrote:the crazy thing about this is that even with all this there is still a decent chance kawhi leaves

Did you see the video on twitter his sister posted then deleted? She was thanking fans and someone in the background (someone mentioned it's his uncle but I don't think they knew) says "he ain't gon be there next year". Kinda gossipy but still interesting. She deleted it soon after. Kinda feel for Raps fans if he leaves, you do everything you can to make a player want to stay and it doesn't work out.
Yeah man, I would be incensed if I'm a raptors fan and he leaves after a finals appearance or a possible chip. I mean yeah enjoy it but that would be always in the back of my mind. I mean if kawhi leaves what does Toronto fall back on?

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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1745 » by Detective » Sun May 26, 2019 6:29 pm

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Solid Snake wrote:the crazy thing about this is that even with all this there is still a decent chance kawhi leaves

Did you see the video on twitter his sister posted then deleted? She was thanking fans and someone in the background (someone mentioned it's his uncle but I don't think they knew) says "he ain't gon be there next year". Kinda gossipy but still interesting. She deleted it soon after. Kinda feel for Raps fans if he leaves, you do everything you can to make a player want to stay and it doesn't work out.
Yeah man, I would be incensed if I'm a raptors fan and he leaves after a finals appearance or a possible chip. I mean yeah enjoy it but that would be always in the back of my mind. I mean if kawhi leaves what does Toronto fall back on?

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It was actually proven to be fake news, shortly after it came out. You can see my post on it, on the Knicks board, as a Mod wanted some more info on the situation. Bottom of Page 47

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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1746 » by j-ragg » Sun May 26, 2019 11:39 pm

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Solid Snake wrote:
j-ragg wrote:Did you see the video on twitter his sister posted then deleted? She was thanking fans and someone in the background (someone mentioned it's his uncle but I don't think they knew) says "he ain't gon be there next year". Kinda gossipy but still interesting. She deleted it soon after. Kinda feel for Raps fans if he leaves, you do everything you can to make a player want to stay and it doesn't work out.
Yeah man, I would be incensed if I'm a raptors fan and he leaves after a finals appearance or a possible chip. I mean yeah enjoy it but that would be always in the back of my mind. I mean if kawhi leaves what does Toronto fall back on?

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It was actually proven to be fake news, shortly after it came out. You can see my post on it, on the Knicks board, as a Mod wanted some more info on the situation. Bottom of Page 47

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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1747 » by drsd » Wed May 29, 2019 2:47 pm

tiderulz wrote: ... Gordon is what he is, 3rd option on a good team.


Statistically Gordon is most similar to Kyle Kuzma, Lauri Markkanen, Carmelo Anthony, Harrison Barns, and Danilo
Gallinari. This very much fits your narrative!


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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1748 » by drsd » Wed May 29, 2019 2:57 pm

tiderulz wrote:This team isnt even a treadmill team, no guarantee we even make the playoffs next year. And we still have decisions on Ross and Vuc. the outlook isnt bleak, but it isnt great for this team right now either


I expect:
Vučević walks and Fultz is a bust: Orlando wins 30 games.

or

I expect:
Vučević and Ross resign, the Magic trade Augustin for a quality bench-PF and draft a competent wing player; AND Fultz is an NBA average starting PG: Orlando wins 50 game.

I am so bipolar at my expectations for next year.


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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1749 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed May 29, 2019 3:55 pm

Read on Twitter


already regretting that contract??? Houston is a mess and looks like that fight between harden CP3 and FO was a boiling point.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1750 » by pepe1991 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:03 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Read on Twitter


already regretting that contract??? Houston is a mess and looks like that fight between harden CP3 and FO was a boiling point.


Shees who would thought that overpaying for WSC level C who is nothing more than rim runner was bad move, or giving 34 years old player ,who is 6'0 nothing with huge ego max money would backfire :roll:

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Post#1751 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed May 29, 2019 5:21 pm

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Read on Twitter


already regretting that contract??? Houston is a mess and looks like that fight between harden CP3 and FO was a boiling point.


I don't think of any regret for a Center who makes about $17.5per that is 25 and grabbed almost 13rpg with 16ppg. I think they are strapped due to CP3 and Harden making too much money and going into luxury tax!

They are losing like 6-7 players to free agency while having the same exact salary as last season without those 6-7 players. In order to sign players, they need to clear cap room. Very poorly managed while CP3 would not have gotten over $25 mil per anywhere else is beyond me the moronic GM'n there.
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Post#1752 » by nymets1 » Wed May 29, 2019 6:10 pm

The Rockets have made everyone available in a trade including picks. Do we have interest in any of the Houston Rocket players?
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Post#1753 » by NotACat » Wed May 29, 2019 6:41 pm

nymets1 wrote:The Rockets have made everyone available in a trade including picks. Do we have interest in any of the Houston Rocket players?

Chris Paul mainly. Eric Gordon if we're sending Fournier (1 year less on his deal).
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1754 » by MoMM » Wed May 29, 2019 11:04 pm

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Post#1755 » by Xatticus » Wed May 29, 2019 11:48 pm

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Dumb video.

There are no guns to heads. Simply because a player is eligible for a supermax contract doesn't mean that the team has to offer it. The supermax was created specifically to give teams an advantage against the rest of the field when it comes to retaining star players. The previous incentive of an additional year and slightly larger annual raises was deemed insufficient for this purpose.

The safeguards that have been built into the current CBA are what makes these contracts seem so ridiculous. The safeguards were instituted because general managers couldn't be trusted not to shoot themselves in their feet. There was a time when there were no such restrictions. Michael Jordan was paid $30M and $33M in his final two years with the Bulls. He accounted for 84% and 85% of the Bulls' salary cap in those seasons and the Bulls won titles in each.

The amount of a maximum contract in the NBA is determined by service time. That is to say that a player with ten years of experience is eligible for a larger max contract (starting at 35% of the cap) than is a player with five years of service time (starting at 25%). The supermax simply allows a team to offer a contract starting at that 35% limit before they reach ten years of service time if they have made two All-NBA teams in the preceding three seasons or the one immediately preceding their extension. Thusly, there can't be more than about 20 players that are even eligible for the supermax at any given time.

To put all of this into persepective... Otis Smith inherited an Orlando Magic roster whose core consisted of Jameer Nelson, Dwight Howard, and Hedo Turkoglu. Each of these players had been acquired a year earlier. Nelson and Howard had been drafted and were on rookie-scale deals. Turkoglu had signed for the MLE. As such, the three combined to account for less than 20% of Orlando's salary cap. That team was a team primed for a decade of title contention if run competently. Smith proceded to throw a 6-year, $118M contract at Rashard Lewis. That $118M accounted for 34% of the Magic's salary cap over the duration of the contract. Rashard Lewis would never have been eligible for a supermax contract because Rashard Lewis never made an All-NBA team.
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Post#1756 » by Magic4champ » Thu May 30, 2019 12:25 am

NotACat wrote:
nymets1 wrote:The Rockets have made everyone available in a trade including picks. Do we have interest in any of the Houston Rocket players?

Chris Paul mainly. Eric Gordon if we're sending Fournier (1 year less on his deal).

Hope we can sign and trade Vooch and Fournier for Eric Gordon and Capela.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1757 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:23 am

Xatticus wrote:
MoMM wrote:


Dumb video.

There are no guns to heads. Simply because a player is eligible for a supermax contract doesn't mean that the team has to offer it. The supermax was created specifically to give teams an advantage against the rest of the field when it comes to retaining star players. The previous incentive of an additional year and slightly larger annual raises was deemed insufficient for this purpose.

The safeguards that have been built into the current CBA are what makes these contracts seem so ridiculous. The safeguards were instituted because general managers couldn't be trusted not to shoot themselves in their feet. There was a time when there were no such restrictions. Michael Jordan was paid $30M and $33M in his final two years with the Bulls. He accounted for 84% and 85% of the Bulls' salary cap in those seasons and the Bulls won titles in each.

The amount of a maximum contract in the NBA is determined by service time. That is to say that a player with ten years of experience is eligible for a larger max contract (starting at 35% of the cap) than is a player with five years of service time (starting at 25%). The supermax simply allows a team to offer a contract starting at that 35% limit before they reach ten years of service time if they have made two All-NBA teams in the preceding three seasons or the one immediately preceding their extension. Thusly, there can't be more than about 20 players that are even eligible for the supermax at any given time.

To put all of this into persepective... Otis Smith inherited an Orlando Magic roster whose core consisted of Jameer Nelson, Dwight Howard, and Hedo Turkoglu. Each of these players had been acquired a year earlier. Nelson and Howard had been drafted and were on rookie-scale deals. Turkoglu had signed for the MLE. As such, the three combined to account for less than 20% of Orlando's salary cap. That team was a team primed for a decade of title contention if run competently. Smith proceded to throw a 6-year, $118M contract at Rashard Lewis. That $118M accounted for 34% of the Magic's salary cap over the duration of the contract. Rashard Lewis would never have been eligible for a supermax contract because Rashard Lewis never made an All-NBA team.


I had opportunity to go to highschool with some of kids who turned pros in soccer ( and basketball) .... And they are nowhere near super elite level, yet their egos can barely fit a building.
One of my buddies refused to sign pro contract so he can become unsigned player ( basically FA ) and sign for Champions League level team for free. LIterally played for $400 ( youth contract) a month so he can cash in and get his $600 K deal ( without bonuses, with them it goes up to almost $1m a year ) for new team. Now imagine what would happen if he got hurt during period when he was on $600 a month? That's your 18 years old kid and his ego.


Players have huge egos, knowing they can get supermax they probably expect to be offered one if they view themselfs as THAT good ( and they all do... ).
Right now 26 nba players have contracts more than $25M a year. At least 7 of them are fringe or non -allstar players.
I belive most of nogotions in nba go by simple " give me xy or i'm gone" rule.

Where in general i agree that giving up huge money or offering max is something that will always backfire , i belive most teams are not really in situation where they can choose.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1758 » by Xatticus » Thu May 30, 2019 11:23 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
MoMM wrote:


Dumb video.

There are no guns to heads. Simply because a player is eligible for a supermax contract doesn't mean that the team has to offer it. The supermax was created specifically to give teams an advantage against the rest of the field when it comes to retaining star players. The previous incentive of an additional year and slightly larger annual raises was deemed insufficient for this purpose.

The safeguards that have been built into the current CBA are what makes these contracts seem so ridiculous. The safeguards were instituted because general managers couldn't be trusted not to shoot themselves in their feet. There was a time when there were no such restrictions. Michael Jordan was paid $30M and $33M in his final two years with the Bulls. He accounted for 84% and 85% of the Bulls' salary cap in those seasons and the Bulls won titles in each.

The amount of a maximum contract in the NBA is determined by service time. That is to say that a player with ten years of experience is eligible for a larger max contract (starting at 35% of the cap) than is a player with five years of service time (starting at 25%). The supermax simply allows a team to offer a contract starting at that 35% limit before they reach ten years of service time if they have made two All-NBA teams in the preceding three seasons or the one immediately preceding their extension. Thusly, there can't be more than about 20 players that are even eligible for the supermax at any given time.

To put all of this into persepective... Otis Smith inherited an Orlando Magic roster whose core consisted of Jameer Nelson, Dwight Howard, and Hedo Turkoglu. Each of these players had been acquired a year earlier. Nelson and Howard had been drafted and were on rookie-scale deals. Turkoglu had signed for the MLE. As such, the three combined to account for less than 20% of Orlando's salary cap. That team was a team primed for a decade of title contention if run competently. Smith proceded to throw a 6-year, $118M contract at Rashard Lewis. That $118M accounted for 34% of the Magic's salary cap over the duration of the contract. Rashard Lewis would never have been eligible for a supermax contract because Rashard Lewis never made an All-NBA team.


I had opportunity to go to highschool with some of kids who turned pros in soccer ( and basketball) .... And they are nowhere near super elite level, yet their egos can barely fit a building.
One of my buddies refused to sign pro contract so he can become unsigned player ( basically FA ) and sign for Champions League level team for free. LIterally played for $400 ( youth contract) a month so he can cash in and get his $600 K deal ( without bonuses, with them it goes up to almost $1m a year ) for new team. Now imagine what would happen if he got hurt during period when he was on $600 a month? That's your 18 years old kid and his ego.


Players have huge egos, knowing they can get supermax they probably expect to be offered one if they view themselfs as THAT good ( and they all do... ).
Right now 26 nba players have contracts more than $25M a year. At least 7 of them are fringe or non -allstar players.
I belive most of nogotions in nba go by simple " give me xy or i'm gone" rule.

Where in general i agree that giving up huge money or offering max is something that will always backfire , i belive most teams are not really in situation where they can choose.


Yeah. I don't disagree. But it is just another tool in the toolbox. It's up to teams how they choose to use it. Some max contract players are overpaid, some are appropriately compensated, and others are overpaid. I think teams should be very cautious about when they choose to offer a supermax extension, but there are some players that are worth it and I believe the extra money is incentive enough to keep a Giannis in Milwaukee.

If a team is uncomfortable with paying the supermax and they expect that the player's head will get turned by comparable offers from elsewhere, they still have the option to trade that player before their contract winds down. If the player really isn't worth that kind of money, then that player's next contract should be a detriment to whichever team he ultimately sings with.
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Re: Around the NBA: 2018/2019 edition 

Post#1759 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri May 31, 2019 3:53 am

Called it during our 1st round series. Tor will win the title. They got a superstar in Leonard, emerging, unexpected star in Siakam, allstar PG, former defensive player of the year, strong bench depth, size and length. They play sufficating defense. That's why you pull the trigger on a Kawhli trade because you only get so many opportunities to win the title and when the window has light creeping in you go all in.

Felt all playoffs this GS team has chemistry issues and their bench is not that good. They seem to lack a cohesion they've had in the past. They were vulnerable even with Durant healthy.
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Post#1760 » by basketballRob » Fri May 31, 2019 3:56 am

Looked like Green got into with Drake after the game. I could read Drake's lips saying, try it.

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