2016 Official Speculation Thread: Episode V - The Preseason Strikes Back

Post #1801 » by **bondom34** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:10 pm

Mc-o wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Shoulda passed to Singler.

Touchè lmao

We got this beauty.

But yea, any game when Adams plays 7 minutes, Russ sits most of the game, and the closers are Kanter, Singler, and a couple rookies I don't expect a win.

PennytoShaq · Post #1802 » by **PennytoShaq** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:13 pm

Oladipo is not the guy we needed at SG. Fournier is. It's that simple. Fournier is a far more efficient player and he shoots much better from range, plus he finishes at the rim and draw contact better.

Westbrook has way more gravity than almost any PG in the NBA besides Curry so that should help Victor out a lot. He could possibly put up all-star numbers but people here won't realize some of that is due to Westbrooks greatness, and instead will clamor for Rob to be fired if our team is not doing well.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1803 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:22 pm

Oladipo always made huge clutch baskets. He was great in the clutch, always came up with big plays and big buckets. We lost those games anyway because the other team 1-upped us everytime but it's not Dipo's fault.

Seriously you guys are (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

PennytoShaq · Post #1804 » by **PennytoShaq** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:25 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Oladipo always made huge clutch baskets. He was great in the clutch, always came up with big plays and big buckets. We lost those games anyway because the other team 1-upped us everytime but it's not Dipo's fault.

Seriously you guys are (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

This is satire right? I mean, you honestly can not have watched Magic games and not seen him airball and clank game winners.

He tied up games but was never know for winning them. That's just facts.

Again you have resorted to personal insults because you are probably are upset or just have a limited vocabulary.

NickAnderson · Post #1805 » by **NickAnderson** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:29 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Oladipo always made huge clutch baskets. He was great in the clutch, always came up with big plays and big buckets. We lost those games anyway because the other team 1-upped us everytime but it's not Dipo's fault.

Seriously you guys are (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

Agreed.

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The_Watcher · Post #1806 » by **The_Watcher** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:35 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Oladipo always made huge clutch baskets. He was great in the clutch, always came up with big plays and big buckets. We lost those games anyway because the other team 1-upped us everytime but it's not Dipo's fault.

Seriously you guys are (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

This is satire right? I mean, you honestly can not have watched Magic games and not seen him airball and clank game winners.

He tied up games but was never know for winning them. That's just facts.

Again you have resorted to personal insults because you are probably are upset or just have a limited vocabulary.

I'm not trying to take sides here, but I agree with PennytoShaq on this one. Oladipo, to me, was pretty underwhelming in terms of being "our guy" down the stretch several times. I wanted him to be our Wade or T-Mac/Hedo/VC so badly. I was let down a whole lot during his tenure here MINUS the rookie year

rcklsscognition · Post #1807 » by **rcklsscognition** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:37 pm

You all think the Magic reached a season ticket sales goal and decided it was an ok time to release news about Ibaka's MRI? Glad it came back negative.

I see no reason to get him out there vs. the Cavs since we have such a long stretch before the next set of games. We've got a really, really beneficial preseason schedule this season that we can take advantage of. Only one more road game after Cleveland and it's to Miami.

MagicFan101 · Post #1808 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:46 pm

Dipo has strengths and weaknesses.

Fournier has strengths and weaknesses.

You can be damn sure Dipo is going to demand (and get) and modern day max contract.

Fournier was willing to sign for what truly was a team friendly deal in the new salary cap era.

Tough call for passionationate and emotional fans but easy decision for a GM.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1809 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:47 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:I am a bit disillusioned when it comes to Hezonja's potential. The guy was almost 3 full years older than the other wings we could have taken in that draft like Winslow and Stanley Johnson and still statistically wasn't any better. He was billed as being more NBA ready than the other wings due to his professional playing experience and being older but the guy got his pocket picked more than I've ever seen for a rookie wing.

In general I thought he looked soft compared to the other guys.

I'm skeptical of Hezonja as well. I don't think he's a bust but he has a few concerning issues.. Mainly lateral quickness, fast-twitch athleticism, and creating/finishing off the dribble. I really hope he can show improvement in the above areas this season.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1810 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:48 pm

I can pick off the top of ny head a couple game winners he hit and clutch baskets he hit.

Against Chicago, two games actually in his sophomore season. He had clitch layups and drove past Jimmy B

He hit two big threes against the Thunder in that crazy game last year which we still lost because KD and Russ are great not Dipo's fault.

in 2015 against Toronto

Then there was that New York game at home his rookie year where he had like 30, 10 and 8 or something and that huge dunk on the baseline to seal it.

Against Dallas in 2015 the nationally televized game he hit that insanely difficult three in the corner the same game Elf had a triple double

This is just off the top of my head lol

Post #1811 » by **SOUL** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:58 pm

Oladipo got unlucky a few times when it came to game winners, he should have had more under his belt.

He was often very good at keeping the game close or tying it up down the stretch, but when it came to like the last minute or two, a lot of the time he wasn't very dependable. I remember that being a frustration.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1812 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 8:58 pm

The_Watcher wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Oladipo always made huge clutch baskets. He was great in the clutch, always came up with big plays and big buckets. We lost those games anyway because the other team 1-upped us everytime but it's not Dipo's fault.

Seriously you guys are (Please Use More Appropriate Word)

This is satire right? I mean, you honestly can not have watched Magic games and not seen him airball and clank game winners.

He tied up games but was never know for winning them. That's just facts.

Again you have resorted to personal insults because you are probably are upset or just have a limited vocabulary.

I'm not trying to take sides here, but I agree with PennytoShaq on this one. Oladipo, to me, was pretty underwhelming in terms of being "our guy" down the stretch several times. I wanted him to be our Wade or T-Mac/Hedo/VC so badly. I was let down a whole lot during his tenure here MINUS the rookie year

You wanted Oladipo to be our Wade or T Mac and you ended underwhelmed by him... Geez what a surprise lmao

PrimeThyme · Post #1813 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:04 pm

I think if Victor was a go to guy down the stretch and a closer we would have closed out a lot more close games last year. We wanted him to be that for us. At time he was, but not ever consistently. I don't really foresee him ever being a consistent go to guy down the stretch but I could be wrong about that.

EAS Law · Post #1814 » by **EAS Law** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:07 pm

Zmill wrote:
The_Watcher wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
This is satire right? I mean, you honestly can not have watched Magic games and not seen him airball and clank game winners.

He tied up games but was never know for winning them. That's just facts.

Again you have resorted to personal insults because you are probably are upset or just have a limited vocabulary.

I'm not trying to take sides here, but I agree with PennytoShaq on this one. Oladipo, to me, was pretty underwhelming in terms of being "our guy" down the stretch several times. I wanted him to be our Wade or T-Mac/Hedo/VC so badly. I was let down a whole lot during his tenure here MINUS the rookie year

You wanted Oladipo to be our Wade or T Mac and you ended underwhelmed by him... Geez what a surprise lmao

He was only the 2nd overall pick in his draft--no big deal or anything. You could argue the 1st overall if you take the position that the Cavs completely pissed away that pick.

It's not crazy to imagine the top pick in a draft will end up a star/superstar. It's tough to live up to that when you have the limitations Dipo seems to have had.

EAS Law · Post #1815 » by **EAS Law** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:09 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:I think if Victor was a go to guy down the stretch and a closer we would have closed out a lot more close games last year. We wanted him to be that for us. At time he was, but not ever consistently. I don't really foresee him ever being a consistent go to guy down the stretch but I could be wrong about that.

I think is he was that guy, we would have been in the playoffs last season. This is considering all of the close ones we dropped throughout the season, and situations where we could have gone on a run and closed the gap.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1816 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:11 pm

Oladipo was the second pick.... big deal. The best players from that draft were just about all taken either out of the lottery or late lottery lol.

PennytoShaq · Post #1817 » by **PennytoShaq** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:15 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:I can pick off the top of ny head a couple game winners he hit and clutch baskets he hit.

Against Chicago, two games actually in his sophomore season. He had clitch layups and drove past Jimmy B

He hit two big threes against the Thunder in that crazy game last year which we still lost because KD and Russ are great not Dipo's fault.

in 2015 against Toronto

Then there was that New York game at home his rookie year where he had like 30, 10 and 8 or something and that huge dunk on the baseline to seal it.

Against Dallas in 2015 the nationally televized game he hit that insanely difficult three in the corner the same game Elf had a triple double

This is just off the top of my head lol

FYI - Majority of the games you reference actually back up our opinion that he would make a big shot and then when it came down to winning the game, he would miss.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1818 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:19 pm

EAS Law wrote:
Zmill wrote:
The_Watcher wrote:
I'm not trying to take sides here, but I agree with PennytoShaq on this one. Oladipo, to me, was pretty underwhelming in terms of being "our guy" down the stretch several times. I wanted him to be our Wade or T-Mac/Hedo/VC so badly. I was let down a whole lot during his tenure here MINUS the rookie year

You wanted Oladipo to be our Wade or T Mac and you ended underwhelmed by him... Geez what a surprise lmao

He was only the 2nd overall pick in his draft--no big deal or anything. You could argue the 1st overall if you take the position that the Cavs completely pissed away that pick.

It's not crazy to imagine the top pick in a draft will end up a star/superstar. It's tough to live up to that when you have the limitations Dipo seems to have had.

Cmon man. Not all draft classes are created equally. Everyone and their mother knew that draft class was weak.

If you thought Oladipo was going to be Wade or TMac you shouldn't be disappointed in Oladipo... You should be disappointed in yourself

EAS Law · Post #1819 » by **EAS Law** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:21 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Oladipo was the second pick.... big deal. The best players from that draft were just about all taken either out of the lottery or late lottery lol.

Alright, my point is that the first or second pick is usually most poised to become a star or superstar. Did you catch that or were you too busy being a contrarian?

EAS Law · Post #1820 » by **EAS Law** » Tue Oct 4, 2016 9:24 pm

Zmill wrote:
EAS Law wrote:
Zmill wrote:
You wanted Oladipo to be our Wade or T Mac and you ended underwhelmed by him... Geez what a surprise lmao

He was only the 2nd overall pick in his draft--no big deal or anything. You could argue the 1st overall if you take the position that the Cavs completely pissed away that pick.

It's not crazy to imagine the top pick in a draft will end up a star/superstar. It's tough to live up to that when you have the limitations Dipo seems to have had.

Cmon man. Not all draft classes are created equally. Everyone and their mother knew that draft class was weak.

If you thought Oladipo was going to be Wade or TMac you shouldn't be disappointed in Oladipo... You should be disappointed in yourself

Check out the post you quoted carefully this time. The first--or second--pick in the draft--is USUALLY expected--to become a star player.

My entire point is that it was not unreasonable or unrealistic to expect Oladipo to become a star player considering his draft position and consensus around the league at the time of the draft.

In no way does that equate to an expectation of him becoming a top flight player for the majority of the decade.