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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#1861 » by Rainwater » Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:47 am

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basketballRob wrote:Monk is a microwave bench scorer, not a $30m per year player.

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5.3 assists this year for Monk in 26 minutes. He closes almost all games. He isn’t worth Brunson money but he is more than just a Microwave scorer. Also gets to the line 3 times a game.



I just can’t get behind a guy blowing up after 7 years in the league. It’s just something that rarely happens.
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Post#1862 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:41 am

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Knightro wrote:Bill Simmons floated out the idea of 3/100 for Monk and the Magic.

That's a little steep, but on a per year basis it is basically the equivalent of Fultz, Gary and Chuma.


That is just ridiculous for monk in my opinion.


Monk's agent would fall out of his chair.
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Post#1863 » by basketballRob » Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:51 pm

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Knightro wrote:Bill Simmons floated out the idea of 3/100 for Monk and the Magic.

That's a little steep, but on a per year basis it is basically the equivalent of Fultz, Gary and Chuma.


That is just ridiculous for monk in my opinion.


Monk's agent would fall out of his chair.
Simmons always throws out a deal where we'd use most of our assets. I think he wanted us to trade Suggs and several picks for Lillard.

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Post#1864 » by Knightro » Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:42 pm

Anyone signing Monk isn’t doing so on solely what he’s doing right now obviously.

They’re doing it based on what he’s doing now translated over to a 30-35 MPG starting role.

His per 36 numbers are better than Simons IMO.

The question is whether or not it translates when the minutes go up.
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Post#1865 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:23 pm

Knightro wrote:Anyone signing Monk isn’t doing so on solely what he’s doing right now obviously.

They’re doing it based on what he’s doing now translated over to a 30-35 MPG starting role.

His per 36 numbers are better than Simons IMO.

The question is whether or not it translates when the minutes go up.


Maybe also ask...why doesn't SAC just start him? I'm supportive of getting him, but I don't know how much further he progresses. Worthwhile bet...but every trade or signing is a bet.
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Post#1866 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:25 pm

Jrue or Klay?
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Post#1867 » by Skybox » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:38 pm

Skybox wrote:
Knightro wrote:Anyone signing Monk isn’t doing so on solely what he’s doing right now obviously.

They’re doing it based on what he’s doing now translated over to a 30-35 MPG starting role.

His per 36 numbers are better than Simons IMO.

The question is whether or not it translates when the minutes go up.


Maybe also ask...why doesn't SAC just start him? I'm supportive of getting him, but I don't know how much further he progresses. Worthwhile bet...but every trade or signing is a bet.


EDIT: Just like assuming a young draftee, who is an incomplete player will develop skills or instincts he hasn't shown yet is a BET-possibly with even less data (but generally a lower salary risk).
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Post#1868 » by Knightro » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:50 pm

eyriq wrote:Jrue or Klay?


It’s Jrue for me and it’s not particularly close.

I’m not against Klay as a Gary upgrade though.
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Post#1869 » by penny_nz » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:51 pm

Anyone saying we're fine right now is fooling themselves. Guys like Paolo, Franz and Suggs are going to want to start competing in the playoffs. Outside of Suggs, who do we have in our entire guard rotation that is at a playoff calibre level?

A major move needs to be made (FA or Trades) to get a quality guard added to this squad. Center is less of an issue, we cover that well with rotation and JI minutes, but would say that's the next area of improvement.

If we make the playoffs without the play in, then that it, that should be the new benchmark, time to make moves.
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Post#1870 » by penny_nz » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:52 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Jrue or Klay?


It’s Jrue for me and it’s not particularly close.

I’m not against Klay as a Gary upgrade though.


Man I've got such a huge soft spot for Klay, could see him having a change of scenery and having a rejuvenated few seasons. What his perimeter gravity would add to this squad ... *chefs kiss*
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Post#1871 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:57 pm

penny_nz wrote:Anyone saying we're fine right now is fooling themselves. Guys like Paolo, Franz and Suggs are going to want to start competing in the playoffs. Outside of Suggs, who do we have in our entire guard rotation that is at a playoff calibre level?

A major move needs to be made (FA or Trades) to get a quality guard added to this squad. Center is less of an issue, we cover that well with rotation and JI minutes, but would say that's the next area of improvement.

If we make the playoffs without the play in, then that it, that should be the new benchmark, time to make moves.
Paolo is in year 2 while Franz and Suggs are in year 3, blocking AB and Jett from major roles because we are suddenly impatient doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post#1872 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:03 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Jrue or Klay?


It’s Jrue for me and it’s not particularly close.

I’m not against Klay as a Gary upgrade though.
They strike me as the Horace Grant parallels
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Post#1873 » by penny_nz » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:03 pm

eyriq wrote:
penny_nz wrote:Anyone saying we're fine right now is fooling themselves. Guys like Paolo, Franz and Suggs are going to want to start competing in the playoffs. Outside of Suggs, who do we have in our entire guard rotation that is at a playoff calibre level?

A major move needs to be made (FA or Trades) to get a quality guard added to this squad. Center is less of an issue, we cover that well with rotation and JI minutes, but would say that's the next area of improvement.

If we make the playoffs without the play in, then that it, that should be the new benchmark, time to make moves.
Paolo is in year 2 while Franz and Suggs are in year 3, blocking AB and Jett from major roles because we are suddenly impatient doesn't make a lot of sense.


Off the bench, absolutely, get major minutes. But starting unit? Those guys aren't ready yet, and even based off Suggs development arc, won't be ready for years. So bringing in a top quality vet on 2-3 years is perfect, not to mention what all those young players would learn from someone like that.

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Post#1874 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:18 pm

I'd bet on a WCJ trade and a Claxton signing.
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Post#1875 » by Bensational » Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:49 pm

penny_nz wrote:Anyone saying we're fine right now is fooling themselves. Guys like Paolo, Franz and Suggs are going to want to start competing in the playoffs. Outside of Suggs, who do we have in our entire guard rotation that is at a playoff calibre level?


But we are fine right now? We kept largely the same team as last season, we’re beating play-in expectations and our young guys are improving. At the start of the season we didn’t think we had a reliable backcourt shooter outside of Harris and Cole, but now Suggs has established himself as legit.

Had we rushed to address perceived weaknesses then, Suggs may not have had the opportunity to become who he is this season. I agree that players should have to earn roles, but they should be in positions where those chances are realistic, and not necessarily trying to beat out JRue Holiday for a starting spot.

The team isn’t going to get another shot in the future for them to gamble so heavily on player development, which is why I think they give it another year next season.
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Post#1876 » by RichCollab » Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:06 pm

eyriq wrote:I'd bet on a WCJ trade and a Claxton signing.


I will bet you it doesn’t happen.
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Post#1877 » by RichCollab » Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:13 pm

Fultz is the only must address issue for me this offseason. I don’t feel we have any one on the roster to replace him.

Adding a shooting specialist is a secondary option. If we replace Harris with this player it’s important to me that this player has a track record of staying healthy.

I’m sticking with our bigs and seeing how this team looks with Fultz replacement and see if JI can stay healthy.

I sign Goga if I can, if not use our 1st round pick on a big.
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Post#1878 » by RookieStar » Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:09 pm

Yeah... upgrade the starting G position first before tackling the C position
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Post#1879 » by penny_nz » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:28 pm

Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:Anyone saying we're fine right now is fooling themselves. Guys like Paolo, Franz and Suggs are going to want to start competing in the playoffs. Outside of Suggs, who do we have in our entire guard rotation that is at a playoff calibre level?


But we are fine right now? We kept largely the same team as last season, we’re beating play-in expectations and our young guys are improving. At the start of the season we didn’t think we had a reliable backcourt shooter outside of Harris and Cole, but now Suggs has established himself as legit.

Had we rushed to address perceived weaknesses then, Suggs may not have had the opportunity to become who he is this season. I agree that players should have to earn roles, but they should be in positions where those chances are realistic, and not necessarily trying to beat out JRue Holiday for a starting spot.

The team isn’t going to get another shot in the future for them to gamble so heavily on player development, which is why I think they give it another year next season.


Sorry you are right, we are fine this year and its been amazing to see how they've gone this year, I meant more in the context of looking forward. I just don't think in that other starting guard spot we can wait solely for internal development. This seems like the right time for a FA / trade splash to bring in a guard upgrade.
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Post#1880 » by Bensational » Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:37 pm

penny_nz wrote:Sorry you are right, we are fine this year and it’s been amazing to see how they've gone this year, I meant more in the context of looking forward. I just don't think in that other starting guard spot we can wait solely for internal development. This seems like the right time for a FA / trade splash to bring in a guard upgrade.


Oh yeah, we’ve got the opportunity to address immediate weaknesses and needs, but I think a lot of people are falling victim to assuming moves have to be made right now, and they’ll be consequently disappointed when moves don’t happen like they were this past trade deadline and last offseason. But, as we’re seeing, we can still make improvements without that intervention just yet.

That, and, I just think next offseason will offer more impactful names than what’s on offer this summer.

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