Stay the course or rebuild now

[thelead]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

I actually don't mind keeping Vuc because he provides spacing for Fultz... but he tests my patience with his lack of fire/will to win. He cowards way too often when the going gets tough.

[Rainwater]

There are 4 too many options on the poll.

Just too hard to care anymore about this franchise until a true rebuild begins. Too much bad luck and bad decision-making to hope for otherwise.

Rebuilding is the right choice, but at the same time we can't pretend A. it's guaranteed to succeed and B. isn't really friggin long and soul crushingly brutal.

What SOUL said absolutely rings true. If rebuilding is the route they choose to go, this place will once again turn into a ghost town and the fan base will become apathetic again.

They'll have to get extremely lucky to pull themselves out of the malaise. It may take years.

It's easy to say you're willing to sit through 2, 3 even 4 years of completely non-competitive basketball, but it certainly isn't easy to actually do it.

There's no fast forward button.

Such a good post but no one said rebuilding would be easy, lol.

[Rainwater]

But burn this sh*t down, lol. JI and Fultz are the only keepers.

[pepe1991]

Tanking in heads: getting young super talented new Lebron that will make you great.
Tanking in reality: stuck with top 5 pick in 2020 and sucking for some poor man Oladipo or hoping against hope Avidija is 60% of Luka Doncic.

Tanking in heads: fans watch young stars grow in front of them.
Tanking in reality: Wiggins shooting 20 jumpers a night for half of decade never improving.
Aaron Gordon, Elfrid Payton, Hezonja never making leaps from role players.

Tanking in heads: collecting 3 stars and becomming new Oklahoma
Tanking in reality: Devin Booker and....Len, Chriss, Bender and Josh Jackson

Tanking in heads: guaranteed 1# pick
Tanking in reality: winning 29 games to draft Kevin Knox, 25-57 record to get ... MO Bamba...

Magic rebuild would have to start around who execlly? Yet unknown rookie?
Fultz is fundamentally flawed guard, Isaac is on pace to miss 2 and half out of 4 full nba seasons. Bamba is pretty terrible . Okeke is yet to play single game. 2020 draft pick will land around #14-17 spot.
I mean sure, Magic can buy 2020 draft pick for cheap, but they can do it without even starting "rebuild".

[Ducklett]

Tanking in heads: getting young super talented new Lebron that will make you great.
Tanking in reality: stuck with top 5 pick in 2020 and sucking for some poor man Oladipo or hoping against hope Avidija is 60% of Luka Doncic.

Tanking in heads: fans watch young stars grow in front of them.
Tanking in reality: Wiggins shooting 20 jumpers a night for half of decade never improving.
Aaron Gordon, Elfrid Payton, Hezonja never making leaps from role players.

Tanking in heads: collecting 3 stars and becomming new Oklahoma
Tanking in reality: Devin Booker and....Len, Chriss, Bender and Josh Jackson

Tanking in heads: guaranteed 1# pick
Tanking in reality: winning 29 games to draft Kevin Knox, 25-57 record to get ... MO Bamba...

Magic rebuild would have to start around who execlly? Yet unknown rookie?
Fultz is fundamentally flawed guard, Isaac is on pace to miss 2 and half out of 4 full nba seasons. Bamba is pretty terrible . Okeke is yet to play single game. 2020 draft pick will land around #14-17 spot.
I mean sure, Magic can buy 2020 draft pick for cheap, but they can do it without even starting "rebuild".

I rather have a shot at greatness in the draft than be garbage year after year and boring to watch like we are now.

[pepe1991]

Tanking in heads: getting young super talented new Lebron that will make you great.
Tanking in reality: stuck with top 5 pick in 2020 and sucking for some poor man Oladipo or hoping against hope Avidija is 60% of Luka Doncic.

Tanking in heads: fans watch young stars grow in front of them.
Tanking in reality: Wiggins shooting 20 jumpers a night for half of decade never improving.
Aaron Gordon, Elfrid Payton, Hezonja never making leaps from role players.

Tanking in heads: collecting 3 stars and becomming new Oklahoma
Tanking in reality: Devin Booker and....Len, Chriss, Bender and Josh Jackson

Tanking in heads: guaranteed 1# pick
Tanking in reality: winning 29 games to draft Kevin Knox, 25-57 record to get ... MO Bamba...

Magic rebuild would have to start around who execlly? Yet unknown rookie?
Fultz is fundamentally flawed guard, Isaac is on pace to miss 2 and half out of 4 full nba seasons. Bamba is pretty terrible . Okeke is yet to play single game. 2020 draft pick will land around #14-17 spot.
I mean sure, Magic can buy 2020 draft pick for cheap, but they can do it without even starting "rebuild".

I rather have a shot at greatness in the draft than be garbage year after year and boring to watch like we are now.

Magic took their chances at greatness for majority of last decade. Never drafted better player than Oladipo, who, himself, is upper level role player more than anything else.

[NotACat]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

Same for me, but I'd also add Bamba and TRoss to that list.

[Skybox]

They’ve got a lot of pieces, they can make a couple of significant trades and, more importantly, change the makeup/ style of play without necessarily fighting for 70 losses. I’d be fine with a new, more creative, offensive-minded coach. I’d be good with trading Vuc and Evan (primarily) but open to anything. WeHam drafted with a clear “type” in mind. Long, mobile, and versatile. AG May fit that and may thrive in a different system...but if the right trade came along, he may have to go. The rest are largely insignificant- Vuc signals a style change most.Ross could certainly play uptempo and is a contributor in any role. Unless he’s demanded in a package, I’d keep him.i still want to think Bamba should be an elite, but limited Center, blocking 3 pg and hitting 3 3’s and 3 lobs pg.

I agree with Pepe that playing for the lottery is beyond a crapshoot. If we end up there, fine, but don’t give away decent players miscast.

[MagicStarwipe]

"Keep doing nothing and hope we turn into the Raptors." - Jeff Weltman

"Step 1 - Buddy Ball. Step 2 - ??? Step 3 - 2030 Champs." - Alex Martins

[basketballRob]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

I actually don't mind keeping Vuc because he provides spacing for Fultz... but he tests my patience with his lack of fire/will to win. He cowards way too often when the going gets tough.

I personally think Vuc has a loser mentality. He'll do things to put up stats, not win. He'd be better off with veterans that hold him accountable.



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[Bensational]

I think we can find a foundational draft piece from where we will sit in the standings over the next couple of seasons. It might take some big swings and big misses, but they will be there for the lucky team that gets them.

I'm not sure why anyone would be factoring Isaac into any long term plans at this point. His health trends closer to Jonathan Bender than AK-47, and AK wasn't exactly a model of health. Isaac should be relegated to a 'bonus' if he returns and stays healthy.

I'd focus on backcourt/wing changes before blowing things up completely. Vuc, Gordon and Bamba are plenty to work with in the front court. Fultz needs to show he can step up, so I wouldn't be committing to him yet. Fournier I like, but the trio of Vuc/Gordon/Fournier have done what they can, and Fournier is the one I'd move first.

Kira Lewis and Pokusevski are the most intriguing players in the draft to me. I think Kira could challenge for a starting spot possibly from day one.

God I hope Okeke ends up a MPJr level steal. I don't see much long term hope for the team as it currently stands, but I see better prospects and results coming if they remain competitive.

[RookieStar]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

Same for me, but I'd also add Bamba and TRoss to that list.

Its kinda hard with TRoss... its heads or tails no in between. I dont wanna gamble our team with that kind of result.

It would be different if we have a bonafide scoring star that would be with him

[NotACat]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

Same for me, but I'd also add Bamba and TRoss to that list.

Its kinda hard with TRoss... its heads or tails no in between. I dont wanna gamble our team with that kind of result.

It would be different if we have a bonafide scoring star that would be with him

I hear you, but if we trade Fournier, I think we need to keep TRoss, and I'd much rather trade Fournier than TRoss. I think his performance could be more consistent as a starter since he won't be the only offensive option on the floor

[zaymon]

Same for me, but I'd also add Bamba and TRoss to that list.

Its kinda hard with TRoss... its heads or tails no in between. I dont wanna gamble our team with that kind of result.

It would be different if we have a bonafide scoring star that would be with him

I hear you, but if we trade Fournier, I think we need to keep TRoss, and I'd much rather trade Fournier than TRoss. I think his performance could be more consistent as a starter since he won't be the only offensive option on the floor

The main reason why i dont want to trade Fournier is the positional scarcity. He is easly top 15 shooting guard in the nba, you could argue top 10. Why trade him if his value is low when we have other spots to address? If we resign him, we can always trade him later. The ones who have value and are replaceable are Gordon, Ross, Bamba. This rebuild depends on Isaac, Fultz, Bamba and Okeke. Its too soon for me to give up on them.

[jonbob17]

Just imagine how dire the situation would be if the front office hadn't rolled the dice on Fultz. He is still a giant question mark, but at least his range of outcomes gives us hope about the future. Our only players that would bring us back anything positive at the moment are JI, AG, maybe Fultz, and maybe Bamba. The veterans are on fair contracts, but they are neutral, not bringing anything back by themselves. If fournier opts in maybe a late first/second.

It's time for the front office to roll the dice again and bet on themselves. They are responsible for trading for Fultz, drafting JI, Bamba, and Chuma. Take a real shot at next year's loaded draft. Most teams are playing for something at the moment. It would be pretty easy, i don't see any tankers in the west, and Detroit(Griffin coming back, they cant trade him), Cleveland, Charlotte, and NY in the East, I am not 100% any of them will straight up tank. Of course the new lottery odds make tanking much less of a certanity, We could end up being the 5th worst team and have a decent shot at the first (or top 3) pick.

[basketballRob]

Its kinda hard with TRoss... its heads or tails no in between. I dont wanna gamble our team with that kind of result.

It would be different if we have a bonafide scoring star that would be with him

I hear you, but if we trade Fournier, I think we need to keep TRoss, and I'd much rather trade Fournier than TRoss. I think his performance could be more consistent as a starter since he won't be the only offensive option on the floor

The main reason why i dont want to trade Fournier is the positional scarcity. He is easly top 15 shooting guard in the nba, you could argue top 10. Why trade him if his value is low when we have other spots to address? If we resign him, we can always trade him later. The ones who have value and are replaceable are Gordon, Ross, Bamba. This rebuild depends on Isaac, Fultz, Bamba and Okeke. Its too soon for me to give up on them.

Fournier is good against someone that's not defending him. When the games start to matter that doesn't happen. Ross is a good bench piece that can get his shot off even when heavily guarded.

Fournier is such a horrendous defender that it's just not worth having him. He can also be a ball stopper. His a good 8th option.

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[basketballRob]

I'd like to see them keep Cliff next year but get rid of Vuc, DJ, Birch, MCW, and Fournier. Just bring in a bunch of young guys.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'd like to see them keep Cliff next year but get rid of Vuc, DJ, Birch, MCW, and Fournier. Just bring in a bunch of young guys.

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Cliff ain’t your coach if you go that route. Part of the reason why Kelvin Sampson had me excited. Dude knew how to work with young players and it would’ve been refreshing change.

[j-ragg]

People I'd like to get rid of in order

Fournier
DeVos
Jeff Turner
Vuc
Cliff

but really I thought they'd be turning this team upside down when they came on in 2017. Don't know why they'd change things up when it's been going so well.

[basketballRob]

I'd like to see them keep Cliff next year but get rid of Vuc, DJ, Birch, MCW, and Fournier. Just bring in a bunch of young guys.

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Cliff ain’t your coach if you go that route. Part of the reason why Kelvin Sampson had me excited. Dude knew how to work with young players and it would’ve been refreshing change.

It would be funny to see Cliff having to play young players.

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