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Post#21 » by UKMagic » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:45 am

Just play Bosh straight up. Make sure we keep Dwight in the paint...even if it means Hedo and Shard taking turns on him. Bosh will get his anyway. Stop the other Raptors getting their points and just contest Bosh...In a series this will wear him out.

As for us, Hedo and Shard hold the key to this series for us.
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Post#22 » by rise of raptors » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:38 pm

SS_MagicMark wrote:Bosh, Schmosh. What do we do with Calderon?


Bribe Darrick Martin (food works) and tell him to wear a white jumpsuit at the sidelines, Calderon will pass him the ball!

But DMart will still shoot from the bench!!!
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Post#23 » by Reignman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:28 pm

I doubt you guys can really stop Bosh, I don't think you have the personnel to do it. Similarly for us D12 will get his, and we'll probably have to put him on the line by using our fouls generously.

This game won't come down to the 2 stars, it'll come down to the supporting cast and whoever plays the stronger D.
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Post#24 » by Reignman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:30 pm

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Post#25 » by ak06ma » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:57 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:Im just gonna sit back and watch bosh choke again....


Just like Dwight did last year :rofl:
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Post#26 » by Tommy Gun » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:11 pm

NJ was Bosh's toughest matchup last year in the regular season too, not just in the playoffs. They had excellent personel to stop him:

A) An excellent off the ball defender in Jason Kidd. Kidd was trapping Bosh, doubling, having his hands in the lane everytime Bosh touched teh ball. He id a great job of being the second man.
B) Two very good big man defenders in Jason Collins and Mikki Moore
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Post#27 » by bakafool » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:14 pm

There's certainly something to be learned from the series against the Nets, but that might not be as helpful as people think. Bosh was extremely tentative in that game. By games 4 and 5 he started figuring things out. It doesn't help that CB4 always likes to play against Dwight. You guys will have to double Bosh and let others make plays. Do not let Dwight guard him one on one.
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Post#28 » by y 2 a B » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:17 pm

ak06ma wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Just like Dwight did last year :rofl:


*sigh*

Why bring up the past? I'm not going to make any argument here, but it was Dwight's first playoff series, let alone the fact that he was playing a superior Detroit team. You could see in his body language he just looked so uncomfortable, which would explain his horrible FT shooting.

This year I think he'll be more comforable. He has a much better team, supporting cast, and he has made strides of developement too.

You guys shouldn't take Dwight lightly, as we shouldn't take Bosh lightly.
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Post#29 » by Hairy Midget » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:18 pm

SVG has been gameplanning for the Raptors for weeks already. I'm pretty confident in whatever game plan he uses.
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Post#30 » by Tommy Gun » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:23 pm

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I dont get the "choke" talk about either player. It's (Please Use More Appropriate Word). They were two young players in their first playoff series facing very tough matchups (Dwight against a dominant Detroit team and Bosh against an NJ team that gave him all kinds of trouble in the regular season). They had some good and bad games during the series'.
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Post#31 » by Last Guardian » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:55 pm

Lewis on Bosh is actually much, much better for the Magic. Everyone had said Lewis was such a bad defender, and then this season, he isn't a bad defender at all. He is extremely long arms and anticipates fairly well. Getting overpowered is the concern, but Bosh is not big enough.
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Post#32 » by mhectorgato » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:03 pm

bakafool wrote:There's certainly something to be learned from the series against the Nets, but that might not be as helpful as people think. Bosh was extremely tentative in that game. By games 4 and 5 he started figuring things out. It doesn't help that CB4 always likes to play against Dwight. You guys will have to double Bosh and let others make plays. Do not let Dwight guard him one on one.


Same with Dwight. His only "typical" game was game 4, and by then it was too late. Just like Bosh he tends have big games against the Raps.
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Post#33 » by Big A All Day » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:11 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Lewis on Bosh is actually much, much better for the Magic. Everyone had said Lewis was such a bad defender, and then this season, he isn't a bad defender at all. He is extremely long arms and anticipates fairly well. Getting overpowered is the concern, but Bosh is not big enough.
I agree, Lewis on bosh is a good matchup, Better than Dwight IMO becuase lewis is out on the perimitor anyways, If dwight was on him bosh would make him step out and that would take our only rebounder out of the post. 4 Some reason i just have alot of confidence that bosh wont go off for 30+ with lewis sticking him.. If bosh starts to Flex those toothpick's he calls arms and thinks he can back lewis down in the post D12 is there for help. Ps Dwight will Defile Rasho's Wife on the other end of the floor
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Post#34 » by mhectorgato » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:14 pm

When did Bosh become Batman?

I thought that was the nickname for Battie?
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Post#35 » by theTHIEF » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:15 pm

I have just finished watching my 4th random Raps game from this season...if the Magic were smart they would play the full press in the 2nd half of these games. Not college flail press, but actual man up press staying with the assignment, and only switching to double team in the block on Rasho, Bargs and whoever else they bring in at the 5 and only doing this when the Raps sag the perimeter for a cut (Moon, Parker, Jose, TJ) taking shooters off the line, which they seem to do regularly to work give and gos with Bosh...

pressing the man seems to throw them off of their scheme quite a bit, and allowing Bosh to play one on one while doubling down their other bigs, seems to work pretty effectively.

guys like Evans and Dooling will be very effective playing the high pressure game...
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Post#36 » by El Presidente » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:23 pm

Put a smaller athletic player on him, he can't seem to handle a defender who's quicker than him. Bosh is primarily a jump shooter who relies on his quickness to blow by slower PFs, if you take away that you can neutralize him. He was shut down in the clutch by Trenton Hassell not to long ago.
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Post#37 » by y 2 a B » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:25 pm

theTHIEF wrote:I have just finished watching my 4th random Raps game from this season...if the Magic were smart they would play the full press in the 2nd half of these games. Not college flail press, but actual man up press staying with the assignment, and only switching to double team in the block on Rasho, Bargs and whoever else they bring in at the 5 and only doing this when the Raps sag the perimeter for a cut (Moon, Parker, Jose, TJ) taking shooters off the line, which they seem to do regularly to work give and gos with Bosh...

pressing the man seems to throw them off of their scheme quite a bit, and allowing Bosh to play one on one while doubling down their other bigs, seems to work pretty effectively.

guys like Evans and Dooling will be very effective playing the high pressure game...


I wouldn't mind seeing that. We haven't seen much full court press from the Magic at all this year, so it would be a nice change up. I'm sure SVG has some plan to defend Bosh and keep him in check.

I think we'll all kill ourselves if Bosh gets 40 on 14-16 shooting..
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Post#38 » by mhectorgato » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:28 pm

y 2 a B wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing that. We haven't seen much full court press from the Magic at all this year, so it would be a nice change up. I'm sure SVG has some plan to defend Bosh and keep him in check.

I think we'll all kill ourselves if Bosh gets 40 on 14-16 shooting..


I'm fine with that, as long as we win the games and the series.
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Post#39 » by theTHIEF » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:31 pm

the Double teams on Rasho and Bargs with the opposing center and a smaller help defender seem to be VERY effective. It's not clear as to whether or not Dwight will play their 5's or guard Bosh. Based on what I have watched over the last 2 days, stick Dwight on their 5 and only double their bigs unless they get the opportunity to trap a guard high or something...it's a very effective scheme...

I say dont double Bosh at all, they are just like the Magic in this area, and we know what happens when their #1 gets doubled...

Rasho, Bargs and Humphs are not capable of working out of the double like Bosh is...
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Post#40 » by y 2 a B » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:35 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I'm fine with that, as long as we win the games and the series.


My point being that we most likely wouldn't win if that happened. Unless Dwight matched Bosh with 40 points of his own. :D
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