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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#261 » by Black and Blue » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:06 pm

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Are we even in the discussion for Murray?


We are in the discussion because we have a desperate need at guard and have all the ammo the Hawks are (supposedly) after: someone who has multiple firsts and cap space to take on contracts. We arguably have as much to offer in that respect as anyone and are closer to competing than the Spurs of the world.

The worst case scenario is the Magic told Black to be patient while they cleared space for him on the roster so they aren’t even looking to upgrade the guard position. This would be a level of idiocy and penny pinching that would be revolting.

if Orlando is giving multiple picks, then we shouldnt have to take on other contracts.


Agreed, but that won’t stop the Hawks from trying and finding it an attractive attribute in a trade partner. They have been trying to include Capela’s contract (amongst other contracts) in a Dejounte trade to free up money to remake the roster while giving Okongwu the chance to start.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#262 » by Skybox » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:14 pm

drsd wrote:
Skin wrote:TOR gets: Wendell Carter Jr / $26M in Expirings - Fultz & Harris / ORL 1st / DEN 1st
ORL gets: Jakob Poeltl / Gary Trent Jr / Dennis Schroder

PG Immanuel Quickly / Markelle Fultz / Kira Lewis
SG Grady Dick / Gary Harris / Bruce Brown
SF RJ Barrett / Jordan Nwora / Otto Porter
PF Scottie Barnes / Chris Boucher / Jalen McDaniels
C Wendell Carter Jr / Thad Young

TOR gets 4 years younger and more athletic at C with WCj. They clear $26M in cap space. They get our 1st and Denver's 1st to boost their depth in the draft. Departure of Trent opens the door for Grady Dick to emerge.

PG Dennis Schroder / Anthony Black / Cole Anthony
SG Gary Trent Jr / Jalen Suggs
SF Franz Wagner / Jett Howard / Caleb Houstan
PF Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Chuma Okeke
C Jakob Poeltl / Goga Bitaze / Mo Wagner

ORL makes a move to get veteran help. Poeltl gives them a low post defender who is unselfish on offense (which helps balance the scoring focus compared to the touches that WCj demanded). Gary Trent Jr finally gives the Magic CONSISTENT long range shooting. Magic extend GTj in the offseason. Schoder becomes a welcomed countryman for the Wagners. Chemistry will be instant and he gives the Magic a vet to steady the inconsistency from the position. At 30, Schoder can naturally be a mentor for Black & Anthony.


This is a solid trade, but I cannot understand your resultant depth chart.

I would see the result as:
Suggs/Anthony
Trent/Schröder

F-Wagner/Ingles
Banchero/Isaac
Bitadze/M-Wagner

And a really strong deep bench in Black, Houstan and Pöltl.


drsd, your guard pairings are hurting my brain...Cole & Schroeder on the court at the same time is painful to imagine...and, as much as we would like it to be so (me too) - Suggs just isn't the answer at PG.

I don't get this trade appeal at all...Poeltl is generally acknowledged as a bad contract - can't play him at the end of games due to yet another inept Center at the free throw line. Poeltl is a good passer and defender, but I don't see him moving the needle much beyond WCJ or Goga. Trent is way overpaid and a pending UFA (so he's worth 2 srps and Fultz). Schroeder is a head case who we could have picked up for nothing a few years ago and is already grumbling about his role in TOR now that IQ is in town (despite doing very little to advance the PG spot since arriving)....unless the Wagners absolutely vouched for some mystical German gnome chemistry angle, I have no interest in Schroeder.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#263 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:36 pm

Seen Terry Rozier name being linked to Miami

Solid 3pt shooter/playmaker
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#264 » by Skybox » Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:43 pm

thelead wrote:If Atlanta doesn't want a 3 pick package and prefers more win-now players:

Orl get:
Dejounte Murray
Patty Mills
AJ Griffen
Moses Brown

Atl get:
WCJ
Brogdon
24 Orl 1st (lotto protected)

Portland gets:
Fultz
Harris
25 Den 1st

Mills, Griffen, and Brown were added just to match money

Thoughts? Seems a bit much but we're desperate for a guard.


I'd do it in a second...in fact, I think it could be light (because I really like re-uniting Griffin & Paolo). Murray is really good and he's one of the VERY few guys that could maintain the defensive side that Mose obviously demands (exhibit: AB playing despite zero offense, Jett in G-league despite ORL being among worst 3pt teams in NBA) while moving our offense to another level. His contract is fine, we'd still have expiring and available non-guaranteed money if we want to go nuts this summer.

IQ would have been best available fit because he's younger - but reality is that Murray is bigger, more proven version of what IQ might be...I guess there are personality questions, but the "Beef with Paolo" thing is less than nothing...it never was and it certainly isn't now. They hugged and talked after games as well as publicly "squashing the beef" (hate that I even said that :roll: ). This (above) is a really good trade for ORL. I think it's a bit light for POR. I'd hope to cut them out and just give ATL two ORL firsts AND WCJ and Harris for Murray and Griffin...honestly, I'd even add a batch of srps or even DEN frp to get it done.

The vision of moving WCJ, Harris and future children we don't need for Murray & Griffin and still having enough summer dough to get Claxton on a slight overpay on a front-loaded, descending deal around $22m avg. is really intriguing. If we're willing to spend - ORL could be as appealing a fit and opportunity as any in the league for Claxton this summer. I like Ingles a lot, but would be willing to not re-up him if the right opportunity appeared and his salary could have better long-term use...same has to be considered with Isaac's deal, if his reliability doesn't really take a jump upward...we have a lot of options and could, creatively, get really good quickly without getting into the dreaded tax aprons when Paolo's (and Franz' and Suggs') extensions hit.

Trade for Murray & Griffin now. Clear out the bad or unreliable deals for cap space. Sign Claxton & Kyle Anderson (bigger, healthier version of Ingles) & Goga (if reasonable deal) to descending deals this summer...

Murray/Cole Anthony/McClung?
Suggs/Jett/Queen or Kevon?
Franz/Griffin/Houstan
Paolo/Kyle Anderson
Claxton/Goga/M. Wagner...THIS is a well-designed, financially sensible team that could make playoff noise right away.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#265 » by RichCollab » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:03 pm

Skybox wrote:
thelead wrote:If Atlanta doesn't want a 3 pick package and prefers more win-now players:

Orl get:
Dejounte Murray
Patty Mills
AJ Griffen
Moses Brown

Atl get:
WCJ
Brogdon
24 Orl 1st (lotto protected)

Portland gets:
Fultz
Harris
25 Den 1st

Mills, Griffen, and Brown were added just to match money

Thoughts? Seems a bit much but we're desperate for a guard.


I'd do it in a second...in fact, I think it could be light (because I really like re-uniting Griffin & Paolo). Murray is really good and he's one of the VERY few guys that could maintain the defensive side that Mose obviously demands (exhibit: AB playing despite zero offense, Jett in G-league despite ORL being among worst 3pt teams in NBA) while moving our offense to another level. His contract is fine, we'd still have expiring and available non-guaranteed money if we want to go nuts this summer.

IQ would have been best available fit because he's younger - but reality is that Murray is bigger, more proven version of what IQ might be...I guess there are personality questions, but the "Beef with Paolo" thing is less than nothing...it never was and it certainly isn't now. They hugged and talked after games as well as publicly "squashing the beef" (hate that I even said that :roll: ). This (above) is a really good trade for ORL. I think it's a bit light for POR. I'd hope to cut them out and just give ATL two ORL firsts AND WCJ and Harris for Murray and Griffin...honestly, I'd even add a batch of srps or even DEN frp to get it done.

The vision of moving WCJ, Harris and future children we don't need for Murray & Griffin and still having enough summer dough to get Claxton on a slight overpay on a front-loaded, descending deal around $22m avg. is really intriguing. If we're willing to spend - ORL could be as appealing a fit and opportunity as any in the league for Claxton this summer. I like Ingles a lot, but would be willing to not re-up him if the right opportunity appeared and his salary could have better long-term use...same has to be considered with Isaac's deal, if his reliability doesn't really take a jump upward...we have a lot of options and could, creatively, get really good quickly without getting into the dreaded tax aprons when Paolo's (and Franz' and Suggs') extensions hit.

Trade for Murray & Griffin now. Clear out the bad or unreliable deals for cap space. Sign Claxton & Kyle Anderson (bigger, healthier version of Ingles) & Goga (if reasonable deal) to descending deals this summer...

Murray/Cole Anthony/McClung?
Suggs/Jett/Queen or Kevon?
Franz/Griffin/Houstan
Paolo/Kyle Anderson
Claxton/Goga/M. Wagner...THIS is a well-designed, financially sensible team that could make playoff noise right away.


I’m not trading WCJ in hopes of swaying Claxton in the future.
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Post#266 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:04 pm

Knightro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Ok, 3 1st Rounders, Fultz and Jett for Murray. I would do that.


I don't think it would have to be this much.


I am on the Murray or bust band wagon. An All-Star level PG on this team puts the Magic on another level and could be a game changer with less risk. I would still do up to 3 1sts, Fultz and Jett for Murray.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#267 » by RichCollab » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:05 pm

I honestly think WCJ helps Black get into the starting lineup given what WCJ offers on offense.

Also Black is solid blocking guards and SFs at the rim himself.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#268 » by RichCollab » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:06 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Knightro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Ok, 3 1st Rounders, Fultz and Jett for Murray. I would do that.


I don't think it would have to be this much.


I am on the Murray or bust band wagon. An All-Star level PG on this team puts the Magic on another level and could be a game changer with less risk. I would still do up to 3 1sts, Fultz and Jett for Murray.


He is the 27th ranked guard. Not sure he is all-star level anymore but he would still be a big upgrade for sure.
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Post#269 » by Skybox » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:13 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Skybox wrote:
thelead wrote:If Atlanta doesn't want a 3 pick package and prefers more win-now players:

Orl get:
Dejounte Murray
Patty Mills
AJ Griffen
Moses Brown

Atl get:
WCJ
Brogdon
24 Orl 1st (lotto protected)

Portland gets:
Fultz
Harris
25 Den 1st

Mills, Griffen, and Brown were added just to match money

Thoughts? Seems a bit much but we're desperate for a guard.


I'd do it in a second...in fact, I think it could be light (because I really like re-uniting Griffin & Paolo). Murray is really good and he's one of the VERY few guys that could maintain the defensive side that Mose obviously demands (exhibit: AB playing despite zero offense, Jett in G-league despite ORL being among worst 3pt teams in NBA) while moving our offense to another level. His contract is fine, we'd still have expiring and available non-guaranteed money if we want to go nuts this summer.

IQ would have been best available fit because he's younger - but reality is that Murray is bigger, more proven version of what IQ might be...I guess there are personality questions, but the "Beef with Paolo" thing is less than nothing...it never was and it certainly isn't now. They hugged and talked after games as well as publicly "squashing the beef" (hate that I even said that :roll: ). This (above) is a really good trade for ORL. I think it's a bit light for POR. I'd hope to cut them out and just give ATL two ORL firsts AND WCJ and Harris for Murray and Griffin...honestly, I'd even add a batch of srps or even DEN frp to get it done.

The vision of moving WCJ, Harris and future children we don't need for Murray & Griffin and still having enough summer dough to get Claxton on a slight overpay on a front-loaded, descending deal around $22m avg. is really intriguing. If we're willing to spend - ORL could be as appealing a fit and opportunity as any in the league for Claxton this summer. I like Ingles a lot, but would be willing to not re-up him if the right opportunity appeared and his salary could have better long-term use...same has to be considered with Isaac's deal, if his reliability doesn't really take a jump upward...we have a lot of options and could, creatively, get really good quickly without getting into the dreaded tax aprons when Paolo's (and Franz' and Suggs') extensions hit.

Trade for Murray & Griffin now. Clear out the bad or unreliable deals for cap space. Sign Claxton & Kyle Anderson (bigger, healthier version of Ingles) & Goga (if reasonable deal) to descending deals this summer...

Murray/Cole Anthony/McClung?
Suggs/Jett/Queen or Kevon?
Franz/Griffin/Houstan
Paolo/Kyle Anderson
Claxton/Goga/M. Wagner...THIS is a well-designed, financially sensible team that could make playoff noise right away.


I’m not trading WCJ in hopes of swaying Claxton in the future.


Me neither...I'm trading good, but meh WCJ to vastly improve our backcourt and settling for Goga and aiming for Claxton as a massive upgrade. Finding a serviceable Center off of the NBA scrap heaps is a lot more easily done than finding a big, long proven 20ppg PG who could be all-defense.

Living in fear of losing Goga Bitadze to FA is really losing big-picture perspective of this team's construction and trajectory. We can certainly keep him and we can certainly replace him if we had to (if some team made a foolish overpay-who's doing that?)
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#270 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:13 pm

A combination of Tyus Jones & Brogdon could really help this team if Murray is not obtainable.

Brogdon had a great game last night.
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Post#271 » by RichCollab » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:26 pm

OnlyFranz22 wrote:A combination of Tyus Jones & Brogdon could really help this team if Murray is not obtainable.

Brogdon had a great game last night.


Both?
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Post#272 » by Skybox » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:28 pm

OnlyFranz22 wrote:A combination of Tyus Jones & Brogdon could really help this team if Murray is not obtainable.

Brogdon had a great game last night.


it kills me to think of ALL of the possibilities that are clearly out there...if we don't take action.

Tyus, Brogdon, Murray, IQ (done) are guys that WILL be traded in the next few weeks (along with others) and any of them would have a significant impact for a team that has a significant need at their position. If you're willing to spend to improve, there are countless other players that could be had for a price.
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Post#273 » by drsd » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:28 pm

Skybox wrote:
drsd wrote:
Skin wrote:TOR gets: Wendell Carter Jr / $26M in Expirings - Fultz & Harris / ORL 1st / DEN 1st
ORL gets: Jakob Poeltl / Gary Trent Jr / Dennis Schroder

PG Immanuel Quickly / Markelle Fultz / Kira Lewis
SG Grady Dick / Gary Harris / Bruce Brown
SF RJ Barrett / Jordan Nwora / Otto Porter
PF Scottie Barnes / Chris Boucher / Jalen McDaniels
C Wendell Carter Jr / Thad Young

TOR gets 4 years younger and more athletic at C with WCj. They clear $26M in cap space. They get our 1st and Denver's 1st to boost their depth in the draft. Departure of Trent opens the door for Grady Dick to emerge.

PG Dennis Schroder / Anthony Black / Cole Anthony
SG Gary Trent Jr / Jalen Suggs
SF Franz Wagner / Jett Howard / Caleb Houstan
PF Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Chuma Okeke
C Jakob Poeltl / Goga Bitaze / Mo Wagner

ORL makes a move to get veteran help. Poeltl gives them a low post defender who is unselfish on offense (which helps balance the scoring focus compared to the touches that WCj demanded). Gary Trent Jr finally gives the Magic CONSISTENT long range shooting. Magic extend GTj in the offseason. Schoder becomes a welcomed countryman for the Wagners. Chemistry will be instant and he gives the Magic a vet to steady the inconsistency from the position. At 30, Schoder can naturally be a mentor for Black & Anthony.


This is a solid trade, but I cannot understand your resultant depth chart.

I would see the result as:
Suggs/Anthony
Trent/Schröder

F-Wagner/Ingles
Banchero/Isaac
Bitadze/M-Wagner

And a really strong deep bench in Black, Houstan and Pöltl.


drsd, your guard pairings are hurting my brain...Cole & Schroeder on the court at the same time is painful to imagine...and, as much as we would like it to be so (me too) - Suggs just isn't the answer at PG.

I don't get this trade appeal at all...Poeltl is generally acknowledged as a bad contract - can't play him at the end of games due to yet another inept Center at the free throw line. Poeltl is a good passer and defender, but I don't see him moving the needle much beyond WCJ or Goga. Trent is way overpaid and a pending UFA (so he's worth 2 srps and Fultz). Schroeder is a head case who we could have picked up for nothing a few years ago and is already grumbling about his role in TOR now that IQ is in town (despite doing very little to advance the PG spot since arriving)....unless the Wagners absolutely vouched for some mystical German gnome chemistry angle, I have no interest in Schroeder.



I didn't propose this trade. I was simply stating that Suggs is a starter. And that in this trade, Trent starts as a shooter.

I agree that Pöltl and Schröder are poison pills. But is this is the cost for getting a shooting guard that can, well, shoot. I guess we fans swallow hard.


For me personally, if the Magic cannot make a deal for SImons that involved Fultz, Carter and picks, then I guess Orlando should look to SGs such as Walker IV, Murphy III, or Bogdanović. My point: Orlando's hole can be plugged without selling the farm.
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Post#274 » by p0peye » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:35 pm

Why nobody mentions Coby White as trade target?
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Post#275 » by eyriq » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:47 pm

p0peye wrote:Why nobody mentions Coby White as trade target?
He's emerging and young with an undetermined ceiling. He's not the type of player a seller sells, so I doubt he's available.
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Post#276 » by zaymon » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:50 pm

p0peye wrote:Why nobody mentions Coby White as trade target?


He will be expensive, they want to sell Lavine. He is also good not great to me.
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Post#277 » by Skybox » Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:52 pm

p0peye wrote:Why nobody mentions Coby White as trade target?


He might be the ONLY guy CHI won't trade
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Post#278 » by Viper1500 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:03 pm

With how WCJ has been playing, I'm not trading him unless it's in a package deal for a "star". He is exactly what this team needs, especially once Franz returns.
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Post#279 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:14 pm

RichCollab wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:A combination of Tyus Jones & Brogdon could really help this team if Murray is not obtainable.

Brogdon had a great game last night.


Both?


I think both is very doable!

One can come off the bench and run the second unit with Cole.

I think Tyus would be a big help at keeping the offense in a rhythm by creating/setting up easy buckets through out the game. Also a great shooter who can space the floor and allow Franz/Paolo room to operate.
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Post#280 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:16 pm

Also guys like Huerter/Monk could be made available.

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