The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

basketballRob · Post #301 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:05 pm

I disagree that Franz isn't quick, that's one of his strengths.

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drsd · Post #302 » by **drsd** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:05 pm

Skybox wrote:Toni is actually pretty good.

3× NBA champion (1996–1998)
3× EuroLeague champion (1989–1991)
3× EuroLeague Final Four MVP (1990, 1991, 1993)
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (1996)
5× Euroscar Player of the Year (1990, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998)
4× Mister Europa Player of the Year (1990–1992, 1996)
EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (1990)
FIBA European Selection (1991)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (2008)
Italian League champion (1992)
Italian Cup winner (1993)
4× Yugoslav League champion (1988–1991)
2× Yugoslav Cup winner (1990, 1991)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1994)
3× Croatian Sportsman of the Year (1989–1991)
Franjo Bučar State Award for Sport (1992)
FIBA World Championship MVP (1990)
FIBA EuroBasket MVP (1991)
FIBA Under-19 World Cup MVP (1987)
FIBA Under-18 EuroBasket MVP (1986)
FIBA's 50 Greatest Players

Oh, and, Kukoč was elected to the FIBA Hall of Fame in 2017 and the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2021.

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Skybox · Post #303 » by **Skybox** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:10 pm

drsd wrote:
Skybox wrote:Toni is actually pretty good.

3× NBA champion (1996–1998)
3× EuroLeague champion (1989–1991)
3× EuroLeague Final Four MVP (1990, 1991, 1993)
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (1996)
5× Euroscar Player of the Year (1990, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1998)
4× Mister Europa Player of the Year (1990–1992, 1996)
EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (1990)
FIBA European Selection (1991)
50 Greatest EuroLeague Contributors (2008)
Italian League champion (1992)
Italian Cup winner (1993)
4× Yugoslav League champion (1988–1991)
2× Yugoslav Cup winner (1990, 1991)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1994)
3× Croatian Sportsman of the Year (1989–1991)
Franjo Bučar State Award for Sport (1992)
FIBA World Championship MVP (1990)
FIBA EuroBasket MVP (1991)
FIBA Under-19 World Cup MVP (1987)
FIBA Under-18 EuroBasket MVP (1986)
FIBA's 50 Greatest Players

Oh, and, Kukoč was elected to the FIBA Hall of Fame in 2017 and the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2021.

The context was that the comparison to Toni Kukoc was pretty good. His body style and style of play...not his resume, but thanks.

Viper1500 · Post #304 » by **Viper1500** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:26 pm

The disrespect for Franz... Saying he's a 12ppg kinda guy when hes already averaging 15 as a rookie lol.

Xatticus · Post #305 » by **Xatticus** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:36 pm

Viper1500 wrote:The disrespect for Franz... Saying he's a 12ppg kinda guy when hes already averaging 15 as a rookie lol.

It's only disrespectful if you assume that 15 ppg is superior to 12 ppg. You can't possibly know that without context, but that doesn't stop people from making the assertion. Would Franz be a "12 ppg kinda guy" if he was on the Warriors? Obviously not. He'd be struggling to find minutes. Is Wagner better than Mikal Bridges or Draymond Green simply because he is averaging more points per game?

Franz has a .528 TS% and a 14.2 AST%, so he isn't really demonstrating that he is capable of handling the load he has been given up to this point. That's fine. We aren't concerned with such things. We have nothing better to do right now than to develop our young talent.

I want to see the ball in Wagner's hands a lot. I want him to get comfortable in all sorts of positions. I want him learning to make reads. I want him to figure out when, where, and how he can find or create offense. That said, he will eventually find himself on a roster much more talented than this one and he will probably end up with a rather modest offensive role. Again... that's fine. I'd rather have a good player with a modest offensive role than a **** player dominating possessions.

basketballRob · Post #306 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:36 am

Lamelo Ball had a 539 TS and Edwards a 523. Rookies struggle to play efficiently but usually improve as the season goes on. I think Franz is 4th among rookies in TS.

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Petre1978 · Post #307 » by **Petre1978** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:22 pm

Watch on YouTube

Post #308 » by **Bensational** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:47 pm

There’s something about PBJr that really intrigues me. If the team starts flipping pieces I’d love it if we could add another pick to use on him.

Maybe he’s only Channing Frye 2.0, but his shot looks really nice and he seems to have the knack for scoring. The rest of his skills aren’t mind blowing but he’s not far off where Franz was entering the draft with his handles and passing. Defensively he’s got all the tools to be solid.

Petre1978 · Post #309 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:59 am

Bensational wrote:There’s something about PBJr that really intrigues me. If the team starts flipping pieces I’d love it if we could add another pick to use on him.

Maybe he’s only Channing Frye 2.0, but his shot looks really nice and he seems to have the knack for scoring. The rest of his skills aren’t mind blowing but he’s not far off where Franz was entering the draft with his handles and passing. Defensively he’s got all the tools to be solid.

Agreed.
He is an interesting player.

Post #310 » by **Knightro** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:31 am

Another monster game for Keegan Murray (8th on Tankathon) tonight. 29 PTS, 10 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 3 BLK on 13-20 FG.

Jaden Ivey with 19 on another 3-6 3PT. Sample size keeps getting bigger.

Petre1978 · Post #311 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:32 am

Knightro wrote:Another monster game for Keegan Murray (8th on Tankathon) tonight. 29 PTS, 10 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 3 BLK on 13-20 FG.

Jaden Ivey with 19 on another 3-6 3PT. Sample size keeps getting bigger.

Ivey is really talented.

Petre1978 · Post #312 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:33 am

Watch on YouTube

Nobody talks about Walker Kessler.
Triple double.
16 points, 10 rebounds, 11 blocks.

Petre1978 · Post #313 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:17 pm

Watch on YouTube

Keegan Murray climbing up the draft boards!

Petre1978 · Post #314 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:42 pm

Watch on YouTube

Petre1978 · Post #315 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:15 pm

Watch on YouTube

It would be nice to pair one of them with Franz Wagner!!

zaymon · Post #316 » by **zaymon** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:10 pm

It would mean we fell out of top 3 once again...
I like Mathurin, i would entertain trading down if we end up picking 4.

Petre1978 · Post #317 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:41 pm

zaymon wrote:It would mean we fell out of top 3 once again...
I like Mathurin, i would entertain trading down if we end up picking 4.

Ivey could be a top 3 pick by end of the college season.

thelead · Post #318 » by **thelead** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:32 am

I'm still slowly moving all my chips towards Ivey:

Watch on YouTube

The play that starts at 0:35....

Petre1978 · Post #319 » by **Petre1978** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:11 pm

thelead wrote:I'm still slowly moving all my chips towards Ivey:

Watch on YouTube

The play that starts at 0:35....

I agree.

Go to scorer.
It would be nice to pair him with Franz Wagner and Cole Anthony.

I like also Jabari Smith, Chet Holmgren and Bennedict Mathurin for the Magic.

Petre1978 · Post #320 » by **Petre1978** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:39 pm

https://youtu.be/1Szs5B9g58k

The Magic could acquire another pick to grab him.
He would be a nice replacement for Bamba.

Who is your early favorite?