So what is wrong with Franz?

RookieStar · Post #41 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:01 am

msmoore66 wrote:Needs to be traded or cut I think.

So he is just like another guy? Like the other guy we have?

Ducklett · Post #42 » by **Ducklett** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:30 am

I am shocked he is still on the roster, to be honest.

Post #43 » by **eyriq** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:46 am

XTC wrote:Raptors fan chiming in.

If you're slumping but still putting up 20/6/4 on a team that's 16-9 while only being 22. That's an amazing slump. He's an amazing young player that's going through growing pains, which every young player goes through. Kid is a future allstar.

I love this perspective.

The-Stallion70 · Post #44 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:59 am

Jaylen Brown can make alot of guys look bad

Orl_Magic · Post #45 » by **Orl_Magic** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:13 am

He just needs to see a few 3s go down. He will be okay

pepe1991 · Post #46 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:30 am

So when are we trading him ?

I Rasharted · Post #47 » by **I Rasharted** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:29 am

Skin wrote:He's good, but not great. Still ascending, so I don't think he's plateau'ed yet, but I also don't think there's a ton of untapped potential either. He's probably at about 90% of what his best is. He will be a solid #3 option on a contender. Right now, he's forced to be more, which works against bad teams, but not good ones.

Agreed.

The-Stallion70 · Post #48 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:29 am

Given the volume of stupid responses on this website every day and the lack of green font, I'm not 100% sure that you're all not kidding when suggesting actually trading Franz Wagner.

yoyojw17 · Post #49 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 2:00 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:Given the volume of stupid responses on this website every day and the lack of green font, I'm not 100% sure that you're all not kidding when suggesting actually trading Franz Wagner.

It's like people forget immediately what he's capable of the second things look bleak.

Actually.... that's where this Magic board is.... we're winning... and they are doing good... "Max contract player"..... they have a slump and lose... "Trade him"

And in Fultz's case for many.... just trade him no matter what. Lol

I come for information and I've been here for while... the site is habitual.... but usually its just a lot of knee jerk comments filling most feeds.

JoshuaPotter · Post #50 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:34 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Given the volume of stupid responses on this website every day and the lack of green font, I'm not 100% sure that you're all not kidding when suggesting actually trading Franz Wagner.

It's like people forget immediately what he's capable of the second things look bleak.

Actually.... that's where this Magic board is.... we're winning... and they are doing good... "Max contract player"..... they have a slump and lose... "Trade him"

And in Fultz's case for many.... just trade him no matter what. Lol

I come for information and I've been here for while... the site is habitual.... but usually its just a lot of knee jerk comments filling most feeds.

It's true. Just enjoying the ride at the moment.

It's OK for Franz to be in a slump. He will figure it out. He has got time. This forum is way too knee jerk and thats half the fun.

byeganyo · Post #51 » by **byeganyo** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:22 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Given the volume of stupid responses on this website every day and the lack of green font, I'm not 100% sure that you're all not kidding when suggesting actually trading Franz Wagner.

It's like people forget immediately what he's capable of the second things look bleak.

Actually.... that's where this Magic board is.... we're winning... and they are doing good... "Max contract player"..... they have a slump and lose... "Trade him"

And in Fultz's case for many.... just trade him no matter what. Lol

I come for information and I've been here for while... the site is habitual.... but usually its just a lot of knee jerk comments filling most feeds.

It's true. Just enjoying the ride at the moment.

It's OK for Franz to be in a slump. He will figure it out. He has got time. This forum is way too knee jerk and thats half the fun.

There should be some kind of gap between questioning a players form and asking to trade him, no?

JoshuaPotter · Post #52 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:30 pm

byeganyo wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
It's like people forget immediately what he's capable of the second things look bleak.

Actually.... that's where this Magic board is.... we're winning... and they are doing good... "Max contract player"..... they have a slump and lose... "Trade him"

And in Fultz's case for many.... just trade him no matter what. Lol

I come for information and I've been here for while... the site is habitual.... but usually its just a lot of knee jerk comments filling most feeds.

It's true. Just enjoying the ride at the moment.

It's OK for Franz to be in a slump. He will figure it out. He has got time. This forum is way too knee jerk and thats half the fun.

There should be some kind of gap between questioning a players form and asking to trade him, no?

Sure. I just try not to comment too much on things I do not understand. I am a big fan of "yeah but does it go in the hole?".

Mechanics are very much figured out by now and that has helped a lot of shooters more so then ever before become viable that wouldn't have had a career in the league. But not everyone can have good mechanics hence why not everyone can be a professional bowler.

jonbob17 · Post #53 » by **jonbob17** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:47 pm

byeganyo wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
It's like people forget immediately what he's capable of the second things look bleak.

Actually.... that's where this Magic board is.... we're winning... and they are doing good... "Max contract player"..... they have a slump and lose... "Trade him"

And in Fultz's case for many.... just trade him no matter what. Lol

I come for information and I've been here for while... the site is habitual.... but usually its just a lot of knee jerk comments filling most feeds.

It's true. Just enjoying the ride at the moment.

It's OK for Franz to be in a slump. He will figure it out. He has got time. This forum is way too knee jerk and thats half the fun.

There should be some kind of gap between questioning a players form and asking to trade him, no?

I haven't read this whole thread, but has a single Magic fan suggested trading Franz because of his poor shooting this year?

The title of this thread is what is wrong with Franz. There is something wrong with Franz's shot. Maybe it's a slump, but its an awful long one, maybe he has developed a bad habit, but it's something Franz has to work through and help the team. It's not like he is endanger of losing his starting spot or something, even with the broken shot he's still a really good basketball player, but he's going to have to fix his shot to help this team win more basketball games, and if Franz wants to maximize his effectiveness in this league he's going to have to improve as a shooter over where he was statistically in previous years.

Not too many players peak at 21, Franz is going to continue to develop.

pepe1991 · Post #54 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:56 am

Spoiler:

fendilim · Post #55 » by **fendilim** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:13 pm

Skybox wrote:
Skin wrote:He's good, but not great. Still ascending, so I don't think he's plateau'ed yet, but I also don't think there's a ton of untapped potential either. He's probably at about 90% of what his best is. He will be a solid #3 option on a contender. Right now, he's forced to be more, which works against bad teams, but not good ones.

I think this dead on accurate…and that’s not a knock on Franz. He’s, imo, more like prime Hedo than a #1 option. If he’s your #3 - you’ve got a chance to be a really good team.

He came into the league close to fully formed…he’s improved but it’s more refinements than the kind of epiphanies we hope for with most rookies these days (who come in as clueless lumps of clay). I expect Franz will improve his defense and his 3pt shooting but he feels pretty close to “complete”. He might be an All-Star if the offense is put more in his hands, but I don’t think that’s really the optimal likely vision.

Regarding recent “slump”…just temporary reality check. Brown is equally skilled but far stronger and more athletic, particularly defensively. Franz was having his way with lesser opposition. He’ll bounce back. Shooting tends to go bad when everything else goes bad and you tighten up With frustration. I hope the team is able to handle the recent challenges mentally, not spiral into a slump, and remember what brought them so much growth. In the meantime, a realistic FO should be working the phones rather than expect good players like Black, Cole, Suggs, WCJ, etc to wake up one day as All-Stars. Suggs has the mentality to be much more- but perhaps not the skill level (yet?).

i agree. I believe he has the skills to be a good solid option 2, but he is not mentally built to be alpha A/B. He is more of a 3rd.

Like I’ve been saying last year, him deferring to teammates is not a good sign for alpha.

Post #56 » by **eyriq** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:17 pm

fendilim wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Skin wrote:He's good, but not great. Still ascending, so I don't think he's plateau'ed yet, but I also don't think there's a ton of untapped potential either. He's probably at about 90% of what his best is. He will be a solid #3 option on a contender. Right now, he's forced to be more, which works against bad teams, but not good ones.

I think this dead on accurate…and that’s not a knock on Franz. He’s, imo, more like prime Hedo than a #1 option. If he’s your #3 - you’ve got a chance to be a really good team.

He came into the league close to fully formed…he’s improved but it’s more refinements than the kind of epiphanies we hope for with most rookies these days (who come in as clueless lumps of clay). I expect Franz will improve his defense and his 3pt shooting but he feels pretty close to “complete”. He might be an All-Star if the offense is put more in his hands, but I don’t think that’s really the optimal likely vision.

Regarding recent “slump”…just temporary reality check. Brown is equally skilled but far stronger and more athletic, particularly defensively. Franz was having his way with lesser opposition. He’ll bounce back. Shooting tends to go bad when everything else goes bad and you tighten up With frustration. I hope the team is able to handle the recent challenges mentally, not spiral into a slump, and remember what brought them so much growth. In the meantime, a realistic FO should be working the phones rather than expect good players like Black, Cole, Suggs, WCJ, etc to wake up one day as All-Stars. Suggs has the mentality to be much more- but perhaps not the skill level (yet?).
i agree. I believe he has the skills to be a good solid option 2, but he is not mentally built to be alpha A/B. He is more of a 3rd.

Like I’ve been saying last year, him deferring to teammates is not a good sign for alpha.

I agree, I think he's ideal as a #2 option.

basketballRob · Post #57 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:45 pm

If you look at Franz' net rating, he has improved. He's at +2.3 with a 107.2 defensive rating. If he can get his offensive rating up around 112-114, he'd be an all-nba type player.

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Rainwater · Post #58 » by **Rainwater** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:48 am

Dude needs to make some shots lol

basketballRob · Post #59 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:49 am

I think they need to cut his minutes down

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MasterGMer · Post #60 » by **MasterGMer** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:19 am

During the stretch of the game, Paolo actually did worse, much worse than Franz given the minutes he was playing in the 2nd and 3rd. I do not know the stats. But Paolo has been inconsistent this season, very. Some nights he can give you 40 and the other nights he is 3 for 15. That is not All Star caliber. If he wants to be an All Star, he needs to show that consistency. So is Franz!