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Isaac is committed to getting back in shape this offseason.
"Toward the end of the season," he said, "I started to feel a little lighter, a little more agile. I'm taking that into the summer to just focus on my game. Focused on really getting in shape. Shedding some weight, and kind of getting back to where I was."
pepe1991 wrote:Hy, my name is Jonathan, i'm 28, i'm payed $27 600 000 to play a game and i'm ready to get in shape this time.
Gtfo
OrlChamps2030 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Hy, my name is Jonathan, i'm 28, i'm payed $27 600 000 to play a game and i'm ready to get in shape this time.
P
Gtfo
Professional athlete showing up out of shape after getting the biggest payday of his life?
Seen this play out a million times before
My expectations of Jonathan Isaac remain… zero
89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Hy, my name is Jonathan, i'm 28, i'm payed $27 600 000 to play a game and i'm ready to get in shape this time.
P
Gtfo
Professional athlete showing up out of shape after getting the biggest payday of his life?
Seen this play out a million times before
My expectations of Jonathan Isaac remain… zero
He wasn’t eating chicken pot pies watching Grays Anatomy.
He bulked up while strength training. With his frame carrying too much muscle mass is a detriment to endurance and agility.
Sometimes one has to figure out that fine line when attempting to put on muscle. I know for me if I went 10lbs more than I carry now, I wouldn’t move the same.
The season before this past one he was a big reason for our success.
He’s not on my list of untouchables but if he’s still here, and I kinda hope he is, I think he’s a key piece for us.
OrlChamps2030 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Professional athlete showing up out of shape after getting the biggest payday of his life?
Seen this play out a million times before
My expectations of Jonathan Isaac remain… zero
He wasn’t eating chicken pot pies watching Grays Anatomy.
He bulked up while strength training. With his frame carrying too much muscle mass is a detriment to endurance and agility.
Sometimes one has to figure out that fine line when attempting to put on muscle. I know for me if I went 10lbs more than I carry now, I wouldn’t move the same.
The season before this past one he was a big reason for our success.
He’s not on my list of untouchables but if he’s still here, and I kinda hope he is, I think he’s a key piece for us.
Did you read the quote? He literally admitted to being out of shape, lol
89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
He wasn’t eating chicken pot pies watching Grays Anatomy.
He bulked up while strength training. With his frame carrying too much muscle mass is a detriment to endurance and agility.
Sometimes one has to figure out that fine line when attempting to put on muscle. I know for me if I went 10lbs more than I carry now, I wouldn’t move the same.
The season before this past one he was a big reason for our success.
He’s not on my list of untouchables but if he’s still here, and I kinda hope he is, I think he’s a key piece for us.
Did you read the quote? He literally admitted to being out of shape, lol
If you go back and read the beginning of the season he talked about how he put on a lot of muscle size and his strength training commitment. Reasoning is it is true with more muscle you prevent more injuries. Downside is if you gain too much it hurts endurance and agility. That’s what he means by not in shape. He’s healthy just not able to move like he did for as long as he did due to added muscle mass.
Athletes have to find the happy medium. Usually because it takes place in off season, they find out during the season if they over did it and next season lose the 10-20lbs but keep some of it on for the benefits.
Fortune Teller wrote:If Microsoft's highest-paid employee contributed as little to his organization as Jonathan Isaac has over the past 8 years, there would be some serious questions at the Board of Directors meeting. It's really just compounded by the fact that in Year 8, after cashing $25 million worth of paychecks and averaging 2.0 rpg with one total blocked shot in the playoffs, he felt comfortable enough to say he was going to get in shape this summer.
The thing that bugs me the most about JI is what he represents -- he is the ultimate manifestation of how unserious this team is about winning.
OrlChamps2030 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Did you read the quote? He literally admitted to being out of shape, lol
If you go back and read the beginning of the season he talked about how he put on a lot of muscle size and his strength training commitment. Reasoning is it is true with more muscle you prevent more injuries. Downside is if you gain too much it hurts endurance and agility. That’s what he means by not in shape. He’s healthy just not able to move like he did for as long as he did due to added muscle mass.
Athletes have to find the happy medium. Usually because it takes place in off season, they find out during the season if they over did it and next season lose the 10-20lbs but keep some of it on for the benefits.
Agreed on a happy medium
But..
Do you really think he actually gained 30 pounds of muscle in one offseason?
drsd wrote:..
Isaac is committed to getting back in shape this offseason.
"Toward the end of the season," he said, "I started to feel a little lighter, a little more agile. I'm taking that into the summer to just focus on my game. Focused on really getting in shape. Shedding some weight, and kind of getting back to where I was."
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pepe1991 wrote:Hy, my name is Jonathan, i'm 28, i'm payed $27 600 000 to play a game and i'm ready to get in shape this time.
89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
If you go back and read the beginning of the season he talked about how he put on a lot of muscle size and his strength training commitment. Reasoning is it is true with more muscle you prevent more injuries. Downside is if you gain too much it hurts endurance and agility. That’s what he means by not in shape. He’s healthy just not able to move like he did for as long as he did due to added muscle mass.
Athletes have to find the happy medium. Usually because it takes place in off season, they find out during the season if they over did it and next season lose the 10-20lbs but keep some of it on for the benefits.
Agreed on a happy medium
But..
Do you really think he actually gained 30 pounds of muscle in one offseason?
Do you really think he just sat around and ate cheesecake?
I don’t know if it was 30lbs and I don’t care. Point is many guys decided to put on mass for injury prevention then realize they put on too much and tally it off in the next off season while focusing on keeping strength program.
Skybox wrote:Everybody running with their Isaac narratives...Listen to the exit interview with full context. He wasn't "out of shape" like sitting on the couch eating chips
FO/Coach & Isaac mutually agreed that, perhaps, bulking up might allow him to play more C and be more resistant to injury. He spent much more time than usual in the weight room and much less time than usual on the court (BTW, he DID play all season without significant missed time-mostly preventative, I believe).
He said that he didn't feel like himself, felt slow and lethargic, etc...not some tabloid response "out of shape". He was very transparent - it was failed experiment and he's eager to spend less time lifting and more time on the court this summer. I expect a defensive revival from him next year.
-I don't know if his shooting will recover...although a degree of exhaustion certainly could factor into bad shooting
-I really hope that this year without injury is NOT a factor of the extra muscle and reduced summer court time...I really hope he's truly on the mend
-Isaac, at his best, is well worth $15m per...even on a minutes restriction, especially when things heat up at playoff time
-He was a non-factor this year, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for something that makes the team better, but I'm not looking to dump him
pepe1991 wrote:Skybox wrote:Everybody running with their Isaac narratives...Listen to the exit interview with full context. He wasn't "out of shape" like sitting on the couch eating chips
FO/Coach & Isaac mutually agreed that, perhaps, bulking up might allow him to play more C and be more resistant to injury. He spent much more time than usual in the weight room and much less time than usual on the court (BTW, he DID play all season without significant missed time-mostly preventative, I believe).
He said that he didn't feel like himself, felt slow and lethargic, etc...not some tabloid response "out of shape". He was very transparent - it was failed experiment and he's eager to spend less time lifting and more time on the court this summer. I expect a defensive revival from him next year.
-I don't know if his shooting will recover...although a degree of exhaustion certainly could factor into bad shooting
-I really hope that this year without injury is NOT a factor of the extra muscle and reduced summer court time...I really hope he's truly on the mend
-Isaac, at his best, is well worth $15m per...even on a minutes restriction, especially when things heat up at playoff time
-He was a non-factor this year, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for something that makes the team better, but I'm not looking to dump him
Camps were opened in October, season ended in April/ May.
You would think somebody within a team, or player himself ( you know, people payed millions) could look up at his heat map ( radius of movement), use speed data that even you and me have from nba.com ( let alone all the gadgets they have, for crying out loud i have smart watch, local amateurs have bracelets ) and at some point during 6 months period come to conclusion " sheeet you know what, this doesn't work, let's put you on 2400 calories instaed of 2600 calories and see will your agility improve".
Is it really that hard?
Like, personal coaches worth €20 / hour in my local gym ask their clients questions like:
1) how is your sleep
2) do you feel any pain
3) track their numbers
4) give them meal prep to hit target weight
You can get pro athlete in good shape within 2-3 weeks if you know what are you doing. Guy plays 12 min a game, it's not that hard.
Legit question is: who's brilliant idea was to bulk up guy with broken knees 30 pounds over several months to play position that he has no skills to play, as his only skill in nba is mobility for a size. That's $100 000 000M question.
OrlChamps2030 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Agreed on a happy medium
But..
Do you really think he actually gained 30 pounds of muscle in one offseason?
Do you really think he just sat around and ate cheesecake?
I don’t know if it was 30lbs and I don’t care. Point is many guys decided to put on mass for injury prevention then realize they put on too much and tally it off in the next off season while focusing on keeping strength program.
Being out of shape at a pro athlete standard doesn’t mean you ate cheesecake all summer and show up looking like Celtics Shaq
But keep believing Isaac put on 30 pounds of muscle in one summer
He’s built different bro
pepe1991 wrote:Skybox wrote:Everybody running with their Isaac narratives...Listen to the exit interview with full context. He wasn't "out of shape" like sitting on the couch eating chips
FO/Coach & Isaac mutually agreed that, perhaps, bulking up might allow him to play more C and be more resistant to injury. He spent much more time than usual in the weight room and much less time than usual on the court (BTW, he DID play all season without significant missed time-mostly preventative, I believe).
He said that he didn't feel like himself, felt slow and lethargic, etc...not some tabloid response "out of shape". He was very transparent - it was failed experiment and he's eager to spend less time lifting and more time on the court this summer. I expect a defensive revival from him next year.
-I don't know if his shooting will recover...although a degree of exhaustion certainly could factor into bad shooting
-I really hope that this year without injury is NOT a factor of the extra muscle and reduced summer court time...I really hope he's truly on the mend
-Isaac, at his best, is well worth $15m per...even on a minutes restriction, especially when things heat up at playoff time
-He was a non-factor this year, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for something that makes the team better, but I'm not looking to dump him
Camps were opened in October, season ended in April/ May.
You would think somebody within a team, or player himself ( you know, people payed millions) could look up at his heat map ( radius of movement), use speed data that even you and me have from nba.com ( let alone all the gadgets they have, for crying out loud i have smart watch, local amateurs have bracelets ) and at some point during 6 months period come to conclusion " sheeet you know what, this doesn't work, let's put you on 2400 calories instaed of 2600 calories and see will your agility improve".
Is it really that hard?
Like, personal coaches worth €20 / hour in my local gym ask their clients questions like:
1) how is your sleep
2) do you feel any pain
3) track their numbers
4) give them meal prep to hit target weight
You can get pro athlete in good shape within 2-3 weeks if you know what are you doing. Guy plays 12 min a game, it's not that hard.
Legit question is: who's brilliant idea was to bulk up guy with broken knees 30 pounds over several months to play position that he has no skills to play, as his only skill in nba is mobility for a size. That's $100 000 000M question.
89Magicfan wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Skybox wrote:Everybody running with their Isaac narratives...Listen to the exit interview with full context. He wasn't "out of shape" like sitting on the couch eating chips
FO/Coach & Isaac mutually agreed that, perhaps, bulking up might allow him to play more C and be more resistant to injury. He spent much more time than usual in the weight room and much less time than usual on the court (BTW, he DID play all season without significant missed time-mostly preventative, I believe).
He said that he didn't feel like himself, felt slow and lethargic, etc...not some tabloid response "out of shape". He was very transparent - it was failed experiment and he's eager to spend less time lifting and more time on the court this summer. I expect a defensive revival from him next year.
-I don't know if his shooting will recover...although a degree of exhaustion certainly could factor into bad shooting
-I really hope that this year without injury is NOT a factor of the extra muscle and reduced summer court time...I really hope he's truly on the mend
-Isaac, at his best, is well worth $15m per...even on a minutes restriction, especially when things heat up at playoff time
-He was a non-factor this year, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for something that makes the team better, but I'm not looking to dump him
Camps were opened in October, season ended in April/ May.
You would think somebody within a team, or player himself ( you know, people payed millions) could look up at his heat map ( radius of movement), use speed data that even you and me have from nba.com ( let alone all the gadgets they have, for crying out loud i have smart watch, local amateurs have bracelets ) and at some point during 6 months period come to conclusion " sheeet you know what, this doesn't work, let's put you on 2400 calories instaed of 2600 calories and see will your agility improve".
Is it really that hard?
Like, personal coaches worth €20 / hour in my local gym ask their clients questions like:
1) how is your sleep
2) do you feel any pain
3) track their numbers
4) give them meal prep to hit target weight
You can get pro athlete in good shape within 2-3 weeks if you know what are you doing. Guy plays 12 min a game, it's not that hard.
Legit question is: who's brilliant idea was to bulk up guy with broken knees 30 pounds over several months to play position that he has no skills to play, as his only skill in nba is mobility for a size. That's $100 000 000M question.
Eh increasing muscle size if done right is beneficial. If he was doing a dirty bodybuilding bulk yeah but that’s not what they were doing.
pepe1991 wrote:Skybox wrote:Everybody running with their Isaac narratives...Listen to the exit interview with full context. He wasn't "out of shape" like sitting on the couch eating chips
FO/Coach & Isaac mutually agreed that, perhaps, bulking up might allow him to play more C and be more resistant to injury. He spent much more time than usual in the weight room and much less time than usual on the court (BTW, he DID play all season without significant missed time-mostly preventative, I believe).
He said that he didn't feel like himself, felt slow and lethargic, etc...not some tabloid response "out of shape". He was very transparent - it was failed experiment and he's eager to spend less time lifting and more time on the court this summer. I expect a defensive revival from him next year.
-I don't know if his shooting will recover...although a degree of exhaustion certainly could factor into bad shooting
-I really hope that this year without injury is NOT a factor of the extra muscle and reduced summer court time...I really hope he's truly on the mend
-Isaac, at his best, is well worth $15m per...even on a minutes restriction, especially when things heat up at playoff time
-He was a non-factor this year, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was moved for something that makes the team better, but I'm not looking to dump him
Camps were opened in October, season ended in April/ May.
You would think somebody within a team, or player himself ( you know, people payed millions) could look up at his heat map ( radius of movement), use speed data that even you and me have from nba.com ( let alone all the gadgets they have, for crying out loud i have smart watch, local amateurs have bracelets ) and at some point during 6 months period come to conclusion " sheeet you know what, this doesn't work, let's put you on 2400 calories instaed of 2600 calories and see will your agility improve".
Is it really that hard?
Like, personal coaches worth €20 / hour in my local gym ask their clients questions like:
1) how is your sleep
2) do you feel any pain
3) track their numbers
4) give them meal prep to hit target weight
You can get pro athlete in good shape within 2-3 weeks if you know what are you doing. Guy plays 12 min a game, it's not that hard.
Legit question is: who's brilliant idea was to bulk up guy with broken knees 30 pounds over several months to play position that he has no skills to play, as his only skill in nba is mobility for a size. That's $100 000 000M question.