The Jett Howard Thread

[fendilim]

Don't fool yourself, Jett Howard was constant target on defensive side at college because he has very limited latheral quickness & lacks elite athletics & lenght to cover up.

Franz was never exploited on defense in ways Jett was at college. And nobody in right mind will come to conlcusion Franz is "elite" defender, he is average one.

And it's not like anybody questions his desire to defend, it's simply him being below average athlete that was on display even at college. Now NBA players are x50 times faster , more atlhetic and there is more space to guard.

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.
Being SF in nba means that on "easy" night you have some Kyle Kuzma who averages 20 ppg to cover. It's easly the most stacked position in basketball , talent vise.


And i don't know what's there to evalauate in SL, we brought most pathetic team of SL out there, we were getting blown up, it was pathetic open practice that i'm trying to forget happend.

These numbers look even more impressive then…

Read on Twitter

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Who said he is an elite defender?

He literally struggles to defend narrow space and poorly spaced college hoops and will now play against faster, bigger,stronger athletes regardless of is he playing SG or SF.

every players gets scored at pepe.

But lets not act like those highlights contradicts those numbers per synergy. Those numbers do suggest that Jett howard gets scored at TOO, and those possessions in the video are most definitely the same plays referred to by synergy.

Who is claiming he is an elite defender though? Because i haven’t seen anyone saying he is an elite defender, contrary to your claims.

[pepe1991]

These numbers look even more impressive then…

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Who said he is an elite defender?

He literally struggles to defend narrow space and poorly spaced college hoops and will now play against faster, bigger,stronger athletes regardless of is he playing SG or SF.

every players gets scored at pepe.

But lets not act like those highlights contradicts those numbers per synergy. Those numbers do suggest that Jett howard gets scored at TOO, and those possessions in the video are most definitely the same plays referred to by synergy.

Who is claiming he is an elite defender though? Because i haven’t seen anyone saying he is an elite defender, contrary to your claims.

It's not about highlights, it's about fact that vast majority of scouting reports point out defense is his problem. And in past I elaborated why, and most of reports did as well.

I will be shocked if Jett Howard in nba isn't defensive liability. But i simply don't see it.

[yoyojw17]

He literally struggles to defend narrow space and poorly spaced college hoops and will now play against faster, bigger,stronger athletes regardless of is he playing SG or SF.

every players gets scored at pepe.

But lets not act like those highlights contradicts those numbers per synergy. Those numbers do suggest that Jett howard gets scored at TOO, and those possessions in the video are most definitely the same plays referred to by synergy.

Who is claiming he is an elite defender though? Because i haven’t seen anyone saying he is an elite defender, contrary to your claims.

It's not about highlights, it's about fact that vast majority of scouting reports point out defense is his problem. And in past I elaborated why, and most of reports did as well.

I will be shocked if Jett Howard in nba isn't defensive liability. But i simply don't see it.

Well... there was a lot of upside for him coming into the college space. but apparently the in depth stats in college stat supports him NOT being a failure on that end of the court.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380

A projected 3-and-D prospect, Howard is extremely versatile on both ends of the floor. He’s got a good balance of size, defensive upside and shooting touch that should translate well at the next level. He’s really not an elite athlete but has an NBA build already.

Heard someone discussing it in a podcast as well.

[pepe1991]

every players gets scored at pepe.

But lets not act like those highlights contradicts those numbers per synergy. Those numbers do suggest that Jett howard gets scored at TOO, and those possessions in the video are most definitely the same plays referred to by synergy.

Who is claiming he is an elite defender though? Because i haven’t seen anyone saying he is an elite defender, contrary to your claims.

It's not about highlights, it's about fact that vast majority of scouting reports point out defense is his problem. And in past I elaborated why, and most of reports did as well.

I will be shocked if Jett Howard in nba isn't defensive liability. But i simply don't see it.

Well... there was a lot of upside for him coming into the college space. but apparently the in depth stats in college stat supports him NOT being a failure on that end of the court.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380

A projected 3-and-D prospect, Howard is extremely versatile on both ends of the floor. He’s got a good balance of size, defensive upside and shooting touch that should translate well at the next level. He’s really not an elite athlete but has an NBA build already.

Heard someone discussing it in a podcast as well.

Bit pointless debate mid summer for a rookie. We can touch on this later.

But versitale defenders force steals and blocks and more often than not are good rebounders as well ( well if they aren't strictlly PG defenders) . Jett didn't record any of it.

Adam Finkelstein with CBS Sports came out with his draft grades. He is extremely high on the Bufkin selection, but not so much with the Howard pick.

11. Orlando Magic (via Bulls): SG Jett Howard, Michigan

This pick is one of the first real head-scratchers of the night. The son of Michigan coach Juwan Howard is one of the best tough shot-makers in the draft and has solid positional size. But he is a defensive liability, and though he can shoot, there are better shooters on the board to help Orlando with that issue (Jordan Hawkins and Gradey Dick). Many expected him to be drafted toward the end of Round 1, not in the lottery. Grade: C+

It's not like i came up with " bad defense " stuff. I simply don't see how somebody with so limited athletics will be plus defender. For same reasons why somebody like Ingles never become one. It's not lack of awarness or lack of desire, it's just what happeneds when you are slower than majority of opposition. Picture 45 years old person playing basketball with bunch of 20 yeras old. Runned over. Not lack of desire. Lack of ability.

[Skin]

Weltman said.... "Here's the big secret.... Jett played hurt last year"

[SOUL]

Weltman said.... "Here's the big secret.... Jett played hurt last year"

I mean, he sprained both ankles in two different games in the season and his numbers dropped considerably the last 8 or so games after it happened.

Looked solid enough in SL shooting threes to make it seem that he can get his shot off easily when he can move around well.

[pepe1991]

Weltman said.... "Here's the big secret.... Jett played hurt last year"

How's his Okeke stock holding ? 6'8 can shoot, "versitale defender but hurt".

Sounds so familiar

[SOUL]

Weltman said.... "Here's the big secret.... Jett played hurt last year"

How's his Okeke stock holding ? 6'8 can shoot, "versitale defender but hurt".

Sounds so familiar

Well, Okeke tore an ACL lol - people were holding on to him actually coming back okay since ACL injuries aren't really disasters for young players anymore.

You guys are just doing some weird trolling since he actually got hurt and looked worse at a certain point after that.

I'm still not getting the Okeke comparisons at all but it just feels like you and Skin are trolling at this point because you don't like the draft pick and can't get over it.

[Skin]

Weltman said.... "Here's the big secret.... Jett played hurt last year"

How's his Okeke stock holding ? 6'8 can shoot, "versitale defender but hurt".

Sounds so familiar

Sounds familiar to a hundred 6'8 and hurt players. Okeke's downfall is mental. He would be a better player if he had the fight of a rabid dawg in him. He's just too soft and reserved.

Howard is a completely different player. Howard is a guard. Better handle. Better shooter. Known more for his offense than his defense. Okeke is a forward. Known more for his defense than his offense.

[SOUL]

Howard is a completely different player. Howard is a guard. Better handle. Better shooter. Known more for his offense than his defense. Okeke is a forward. Known more for his defense than his offense.

at least we agree here!!!

[Skin]

Howard is a completely different player. Howard is a guard. Better handle. Better shooter. Known more for his offense than his defense. Okeke is a forward. Known more for his defense than his offense.

at least we agree here!!!

Pepe should be at least a little happy with Jett because for once we took a baller instead of an athlete. Jett has probably been dribbling before he could brush his own teeth.

[yoyojw17]

It's not about highlights, it's about fact that vast majority of scouting reports point out defense is his problem. And in past I elaborated why, and most of reports did as well.

I will be shocked if Jett Howard in nba isn't defensive liability. But i simply don't see it.

Well... there was a lot of upside for him coming into the college space. but apparently the in depth stats in college stat supports him NOT being a failure on that end of the court.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380

A projected 3-and-D prospect, Howard is extremely versatile on both ends of the floor. He’s got a good balance of size, defensive upside and shooting touch that should translate well at the next level. He’s really not an elite athlete but has an NBA build already.

Heard someone discussing it in a podcast as well.

Bit pointless debate mid summer for a rookie. We can touch on this later.

But versitale defenders force steals and blocks and more often than not are good rebounders as well ( well if they aren't strictlly PG defenders) . Jett didn't record any of it.

Adam Finkelstein with CBS Sports came out with his draft grades. He is extremely high on the Bufkin selection, but not so much with the Howard pick.

11. Orlando Magic (via Bulls): SG Jett Howard, Michigan

This pick is one of the first real head-scratchers of the night. The son of Michigan coach Juwan Howard is one of the best tough shot-makers in the draft and has solid positional size. But he is a defensive liability, and though he can shoot, there are better shooters on the board to help Orlando with that issue (Jordan Hawkins and Gradey Dick). Many expected him to be drafted toward the end of Round 1, not in the lottery. Grade: C+

It's not like i came up with " bad defense " stuff. I simply don't see how somebody with so limited athletics will be plus defender. For same reasons why somebody like Ingles never become one. It's not lack of awarness or lack of desire, it's just what happeneds when you are slower than majority of opposition. Picture 45 years old person playing basketball with bunch of 20 yeras old. Runned over. Not lack of desire. Lack of ability.

As i said.... HIGH SCHOOL.

lol... i know what you're referring to... that was one of the reasons i wasn't the biggest fan either. BUT.... he was apparently known for defense more than offense when going into college. The entire jump shot ... offensive player thing was a Michigan thing mainly. NOW... he was injured playing through the season.... so... did that affect him... possibly. But it is good to see that advanced stats are also in his favor.

[byeganyo]

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.

WTF?! Okeke looks like ****, because for some reason he cant shoot for ****, you cant be 3 and D player if you dont have 3s in you, but his defense has been pretty good when he is on the floor, both by the eye test and the stats -
2021-22 he was 6th among all PFs /listed as such by breference/ in DBPM and 16th in DWS.

[J the Drafter]

Okeke hurt his knee and needed to have arthroscopic knee surgery. He’s looked good when he’s been healthy.

[pepe1991]

Okeke hurt his knee and needed to have arthroscopic knee surgery. He’s looked good when he’s been healthy.

He had ACL tear 4 years ago and never looked good in nba.

Matter of fact, his best year in nba was rookie year, he got worst with each new year. Albet, he sucked in all 3 seasons, but with with progression of sucking with zero improvments.

[yoyojw17]

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[Bensational]

I’m all in on Jett. I love his silky smooth game. He’s the perimeter scorer we’ve been looking for. He’s going to drain some big time shots for us.

[BadMofoPimp]

Defense wins championships. Lets wait and see if Howard can provem all wrong!

[fendilim]

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.

WTF?! Okeke looks like ****, because for some reason he cant shoot for ****, you cant be 3 and D player if you dont have 3s in you, but his defense has been pretty good when he is on the floor, both by the eye test and the stats -
2021-22 he was 6th among all PFs /listed as such by breference/ in DBPM and 16th in DWS.

The thing with Okeke though is he played the 4 in college but had to move down in the NBA. That can be a problem when you end up switching positions when you move up to the next level.

Now he is not quick enough to play against NBA 3’s.

He played four his first two years in the league.

[cedric76]

He is Booker lite, he ll be our starting SG within the next 3 yrs