Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIV, Mods Close))

PeePee la Fritz · Post #501 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:46 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:You know we'd end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk

Not after another foot injury. Hopefully that tempers the market for him a little bit if we do have to make the NJ deal

justanotherfan · Post #502 » by **justanotherfan** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:47 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:You know we'd probably end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk

Lol...I'm praying that if/when Dwight leaves it means the end of Otis and ridiculous **** like this

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #503 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:47 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:You know we'd end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk

Not after another foot injury. Hopefully that tempers the market for him a little bit if we do have to make the NJ deal

Hopefully. I'm not a fan of lopez. No rebounding or defense

thelead · Post #504 » by **thelead** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:50 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:You know we'd probably end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk

nope... otis hopefully won't be around anymore to overpay players.

PeePee la Fritz · Post #505 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:55 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
PeePee la Fritz wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:You know we'd end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk

Not after another foot injury. Hopefully that tempers the market for him a little bit if we do have to make the NJ deal

Hopefully. I'm not a fan of lopez. No rebounding or defense

I am not a huge fan either. But a 7 footer who can give you 25 a night is very very rare in this league. And honestly there are very few teams with centers that can really beat you. So he will get the better end of a matchup the majority of the time

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #506 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:05 am

But Centers need to rebound. The nets are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and thats with humphries whos a top 10 rebounder. We'd be terrible

PeePee la Fritz · Post #507 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:15 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:But Centers need to rebound. The nets are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and thats with humphries whos a top 10 rebounder. We'd be terrible

He's still young, and rebounding is about effort. If you trade Dwight I think you gotta keep Stan, and say what you will about his game management but Stan can develop talent. I think he could light a fire under Brook's a$$ and get him to average at least 8 a game

PeePee la Fritz · Post #508 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:17 am

Thats if he can stay healthy of course. But the injury tonight was just bad luck, it didn't look like a structural issue caused it

Post #509 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 7:25 am

Can we get anyone for our TPE? I assume a team looking for cap relief would be interested.

Cammo101 · Post #510 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 7:59 am

Nolimit1211 wrote:
Cammo101 wrote:The idea that Dwight must be traded because "anything is better than nothing" is fundamentally flawed. We have seen time and again that the worst place to be in the NBA is not last place, but middle of the road. Trading Dwight to try to stay halfway competitive is counterproductive. In the NBA you need to be competing for a title or rebuilding. So, if you can't trade Dwight for a package that can be the basis for a title contender either now or in a rebuild, then you really are better letting Dwight walk.

You're mind frame is correct, but the "anything" we're talking about getting back.. (Lopez/Brooks) / (Monta) aren't players that are gonna keep you "middle of the road".. You WILL be a bad team with these guy, go ahead and look at their current records.. but atleast you'll sell acouple more tickets.

The difference between the 1st pick and the 8th pick is humongous. Having guys like Lopez and Brooks added to our core makes us just good enough to avoid getting franchise changing players via the draft. I hope those extra few tickets sold are worth that.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #511 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:20 am

Didn't realize Lopez suffered another foot injury.... Fantastic. Yeah nobodys going to want him. If they can't get anyone to improve this roster Dwight tells them he's leaving and we're screwed. La won't risk losing Bynum and gasol after his comments and nets can just sign him outright. LMAO!! Wouldn't really surprise me if it turned out like that. Our luck.

bonanz · Post #512 » by **bonanz** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:37 am

for some reason i feel like brook lopez injuring himself again is good for us...

shortodom · Post #513 » by **shortodom** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 9:41 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Didn't realize Lopez suffered another foot injury.... Fantastic. Yeah nobodys going to want him. If they can't get anyone to improve this roster Dwight tells them he's leaving and we're screwed. La won't risk losing Bynum and gasol after his comments and nets can just sign him outright. LMAO!! Wouldn't really surprise me if it turned out like that. Our luck.

If Brook is out for a while the Lakers offer won't be higher then Bynum,Ebanks and/or maybe Goudlock + picks. Lakers are not competing with anyone else to get him if Nj is out of the running, unless you guys wanna risk losing him for nothing this summer to NJ or Dallas. Who knows though Brooks injury might not be that bad and you guys still have time to improve your roster around him.

Reverse_Angle · Post #514 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 9:52 am

shortodom wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Didn't realize Lopez suffered another foot injury.... Fantastic. Yeah nobodys going to want him. If they can't get anyone to improve this roster Dwight tells them he's leaving and we're screwed. La won't risk losing Bynum and gasol after his comments and nets can just sign him outright. LMAO!! Wouldn't really surprise me if it turned out like that. Our luck.

If Brook is out for a while the Lakers offer won't be higher then Bynum,Ebanks and/or maybe Goudlock + picks. Lakers are not competing with anyone else to get him if Nj is out of the running, unless you guys wanna risk losing him for nothing this summer to NJ or Dallas. Who knows though Brooks injury might not be that bad and you guys still have time to improve your roster around him.

you go and send your tall version in.

seriously though, i do not think we are trading dwight anymore. Even if we do not make any moves before the trade deadline.

hanh · Post #515 » by **hanh** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:26 am

Dear lord do not put Brook Lopez on the orlando magic. SUCH A BUM. Would rather take Hump than even have Brook on my roster for a day. I would smack both the lopez brothers in the face if I had the displeasure of meeting them

It really sucks GSW think they have a chance at Dwight, but Ellis for Dwight? That might be the funniest thing I have heard all year. We OBVIOUSLY want NOTHING to do with Ellis if we don't have Dwight. THat would be pointless. Good luck GSW with your 3rd tier player that never get you anywhere near playoffs. grats on that. Maybe broken ankle Curry will help you win a couple games next year when he is healthy. NBA sucks I'm just about done after this joke of a season.

hanh · Post #516 » by **hanh** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:43 am

GSW fans are saying that Dwight with GS without Monta would be better than Orl is now because of all their shooters. might have to sig it its so hilarious

Davidm89 · Post #517 » by **Davidm89** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:48 am

Am I really the only one who sees Ellis as a reasonable building block? Dwigh, BBD and Hedo for Ellis/Lee and fillers with a couple picks. Better than Bynums ankle, or Lopez's injury proneness. I see Ellis as a poor mans prime T-mac, if we can pair him with Dwight perfect but if not I'd much rather have him than Bynum or Lopez.

hanh · Post #518 » by **hanh** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:51 am

No way. He is a chucker never made the all star team and you wanna trade the best center in the league that never even been hurt for a PG? We need a bigman. I'd take Anderson over Lee too. we don't know Anderson's potential but Lee is not gonna be enough to win games

ADRajX · Post #519 » by **ADRajX** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:24 am

hanh wrote:No way. He is a chucker never made the all star team and you wanna trade the best center in the league that never even been hurt for a PG? We need a bigman. I'd take Anderson over Lee too. we don't know Anderson's potential but Lee is not gonna be enough to win games

Well Lee can actually play Center next to Anderson.

I actually agree with Davidm9

Davidm89 wrote:Am I really the only one who sees Ellis as a reasonable building block? Dwigh, BBD and Hedo for Ellis/Lee and fillers with a couple picks. Better than Bynums ankle, or Lopez's injury proneness. I see Ellis as a poor mans prime T-mac, if we can pair him with Dwight perfect but if not I'd much rather have him than Bynum or Lopez.

... and here is why...

Ellis, Lee, and draft pick(s) *The GS Warriors suck, wink wink...* would be better than that bum Lopez or crickety knees Bynum... I'm being dead serious... Ellis is still 26, he's like a mini T-Mac or a cross between Russell Westbrook/Gilbert Arenas... he may not have been chosen to an All-Star game, but he wasn't chosen in the West the past few years because A) The Warriors are a losing team B) He's competing against Kobe, Nash, Westbrook, Chris Paul, Deron (when he was in Utah), Ginobli, Parker, etc in the back-court ... come on, we all know Ellis is an All-Star... Josh Smith is an All-Star, and he wasn't chosen to the All-Star team. There are guys like that around the league, so that's a moot point imo.

At the PG position I believe Ellis can be deadly good if he is surrounded by better complimentary talent (which I think Orlando has; he won't be competing against someone like Curry in the back-court) and he is given a great head coach (which SVG is) on a better/winning franchise (Orlando) imo. A change of scenery can be good for him too. Ellis is a very good play-maker, creator, and scorer.

Also Ellis is on a very fair contract, he isn't overpaid, while still making a ton of money. He is owed 22 million the next two years after this season. His final year (2013/14) has an early termination option (http://www.hoopsworld.com/golden-state- ... eam-salary). He isn't owed a ton of money like Bynum and Lopez are expected to. Ellis has trade value, and he is a "name" you can build around as a team (if he plays PG) and market around in Orlando to the fans. The only iffy part of the deal is Lee's contract, but Lee can still put up 20/12, and justify his pay. He's still only 28 or 29 years old and he can still play at that level for another 3 years imo (most bigs can play well until they are 32 or 33 years old, just look at guys like Scola or Pau). Lee actually has skill around the basket and the elbow. By the time he does decline (3-4 years later), his contract will be a valuable trade chip as an expiring.

And the most important part of the deal is the draft picks. Golden State won't win a lot of games, even with Dwight for the rest of this season as a rental. Dwight will leave them during the summer, and Golden State will be an even worse team. They might have cap space after getting rid of Ellis and Lee's contracts, but no star player or FA will likely go to Golden State (sorry GS, I'm just being honest). I also don't think Marc Jackson is a great coach... so those draft picks will probably be better than Houston's or New Jersey's. Draft picks are key to rebuilding.

And at the end of the day, if you can pawn off someone like BBD, J-Rich, or Duhon along with Dwight to Golden State, you can actually have enough cap cleared by 2013 summer to go after a star Free Agent(s)! Key note: Hedo's contract is non-guaranteed for 2013/14, keep it, get rid of BBD, J-Rich, and/or Duhon's along with Dwight (http://www.hoopsworld.com/orlando-magic-team-salary).

Happyfoosball · Post #520 » by **Happyfoosball** » Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:30 am

At this point Orlando hasn't gotten one decent offer. Play out the season. What's being offered by LA and NJ has no freaking value at all. Bynum is on a bum knee, and Lopez is on a bum foot. If Dwight leaves tank a couple of seasons, draft well and bamn right back in it.