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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#581 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 2, 2025 11:28 am

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Fortune Teller wrote:No one is saying defense isn't important, but it's inarguable that the Magic have a good defense and nothing else. Bottom 10 in offense all 8 years of Jeff's tenure, I believe bottom 3 the past few years, and the worst 3-point shooting team in the league by a significant margin. That is the context of the Isaac debate, which is not held in a vacuum. No matter how economical you think his deal is because of injury protections and guarantees, it's money that could've been spent on something the team actually needs. If you just look at 2024-25 -- an objectively garbage season for JI -- he made at least $25 million to do absolutely nothing even though he was "healthy". Yes, that was the healthy JI we've all been waiting for, and what value did we get from the highest-paid player on the roster? And this past season wasn't an anomaly, he's gone consecutive seasons not even suiting up once while being paid in full. So big picture, why keep throwing money at him? We really couldn't have used that money some other way last season? Oh but it's only $15 mil next season...so what? There's not a better way to spend $15 mil on something we actually need? Not to mention that he's getting worse, not better, and despite actually being able to play the past two seasons is still on minutes restrictions and useless in the playoffs. There are utility players all across the league who make a fraction of what Isaac makes and contribute twice as much.

Jeff definitely missed Economics class on the days they taught the concepts of "diminishing returns" and "return on investment".


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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#582 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:04 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:
Fortune Teller wrote:No one is saying defense isn't important, but it's inarguable that the Magic have a good defense and nothing else. Bottom 10 in offense all 8 years of Jeff's tenure, I believe bottom 3 the past few years, and the worst 3-point shooting team in the league by a significant margin. That is the context of the Isaac debate, which is not held in a vacuum. No matter how economical you think his deal is because of injury protections and guarantees, it's money that could've been spent on something the team actually needs. If you just look at 2024-25 -- an objectively garbage season for JI -- he made at least $25 million to do absolutely nothing even though he was "healthy". Yes, that was the healthy JI we've all been waiting for, and what value did we get from the highest-paid player on the roster? And this past season wasn't an anomaly, he's gone consecutive seasons not even suiting up once while being paid in full. So big picture, why keep throwing money at him? We really couldn't have used that money some other way last season? Oh but it's only $15 mil next season...so what? There's not a better way to spend $15 mil on something we actually need? Not to mention that he's getting worse, not better, and despite actually being able to play the past two seasons is still on minutes restrictions and useless in the playoffs. There are utility players all across the league who make a fraction of what Isaac makes and contribute twice as much.

Jeff definitely missed Economics class on the days they taught the concepts of "diminishing returns" and "return on investment".


“Sunk costs” too

Good catch. Forgot that one.
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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#583 » by fendilim » Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:12 pm

fendilim wrote:No way we touch Ja, imo. Maybe Desmond Bane instead.

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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#584 » by cedric76 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:26 pm

can we close this dumb thread now?
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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#585 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:14 pm

cedric76 wrote:can we close this dumb thread now?


NO

...but he's off to a strong start, some of which could be considered undoing previous mistakes.

More to come. I am hopeful but he's got more to do - a lot more, imo, around the edges to complete this roster in a smarter, more sustainable, balanced form.
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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#586 » by fendilim » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:19 pm

cedric76 wrote:can we close this dumb thread now?

Can’t please everybody, there are thousand ways to skin a cat.
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Re: FIRE WELTMAN 

Post#587 » by VFX » Yesterday 12:57 am

cedric76 wrote:can we close this dumb thread now?


You can make the BLOW WELTMAN thread if you want.

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