Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[pepe1991]

Pelicans are not trading Murphy. Might as well start posting every day about Giannis for Jett trade. About same probability.

Maybe we could trade Banchero for Kispert. Banchero would be great fit next to Sarr. Magic get top 59 protected pick as sweetener.

This is how idiotic most Murphy - circled trades to Orlando sound like.

Guy had breakout year. Pelicans traded away all star to open PT for him.
Pelicans than payed him 4 years $113M, contract didn't even kick in yet.

But yea, they are ready to trade 24 y.o. - 21 ppg player for Jett Howard and 32 years old aiging guard , one crappy pick will do the trick

[Black and Blue]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

One of Isaac/KCP won't be here next year
Orlando looking at adding offensive minded assistant coach - mentioned on marc stein's substack subscription podcast

To add to the list:

So many conversations have happened with teams already that I think the players involved in the rebrand reveal are at least considered MORE likely to return.

That list:

Paolo, Franz, Suggs, TDS, KCP. I’m NOT counting Isaac who was just a background character in Paolo’s video.

The rest of the team is more or less open for business (minus maybe Mo, but they couldn’t include a guy in the rebrand they need to negotiate with). My eyebrows did raise at the team utilizing TDS in the rebrand instead of Anthony Black, given how new TDS is and that Anthony Black was a bigger part of the team much of the season. It signaled to me an admission (at minimum) that AB is likely the most attractive piece in potential trade deals.

I trust the stuff the actual team puts out over any of these pundits, and this was one of the few spots they had to show their hand. Any team would work to minimize the amount of pie on their face with a player featured in a rebrand that’s then dealt weeks later. It isn’t a good look.

This obviously doesn’t mean things can change between now and the draft, but it shows us what the team is thinking at this moment in time.

[Airgordon00]

Would any of you be interested in getting in on the rumored Durant to spurs trade and make it a 4 teamer with the hawks.

Spurs get Durant

Suns get Suggs, Barnes and 14th pick.

Hawks get Devin vassel, Cole, Sochan, 25th pick.

Magic get Trae.

I am not the biggest Trae fan but he would really give us that playmaking we have been searching for forever. Plus we have an elite defense behind him to cover up some of his warts. I love Suggs but it’s hard to pay him that much money and not be able to count on him to be healthy enough when we need him. Plus sending him out West means we don’t have to see him but a couple of times a year.
Thoughts?

That trade makes no sense for Suns.

In that scenario they would end up with Suggs, Booker, Beal and Allen at PG/SG + they have Dunn who is also SG/SF.

Basically their entire roster would be shooting guards.

That’s a good point. What about a 3 teamer with the kings and hawks.

Magic get Trae and Monk

Hawks get Black, Lavine and 25th pick.

Kings get Suggs, Isaac, Goga and Niang.

Kings get a ton of defense to go around Sabonis.

Hawks get a pick, Young player with promise and a good shooter that will spread the floor.

Magic get much needed playmaking and immediately are a front runner in the East.

[tiderulz]

Yeah, too expensive, we need to find a premium core player that doesnt get premium money, this is why i like Trey murphy , there are not many 20+ points per game players that make less than 25M and are locked for many years

you realize Murphy wont be a 20 ppg player in Orlando right? he was the #2 or #1 scoring option a lot last year. he will be #3 or #4 in Orlando. and Murphy makes $25mil next year and it goes up every year after that. so no, he doesnt make less than $25mil

He doesn't have to score 20 points for the the season.... He just has to make the appropriate impact on the team. He brings everything the magic love in prospects... Positional size and defensive versatility.. . While adding the skills we need.... Shooting and playmaking. And we know what we will be paying him for the next 3-4 seasons.... Compared to giving up assets for a Simons... Him doing decent and possibly having to pay as much or more cuz of the salary cap increases next year.

https://youtu.be/dHAWE5VYDT4?si=l8QSdcI-QAt1xpmV

For that.... I would give up assets.

I dont see him as a playmaker. and by defensive metrics, he is very bad defender. and we would have to give up a lot more assets to get Murphy than to get Simons

[tiderulz]

Would any of you be interested in getting in on the rumored Durant to spurs trade and make it a 4 teamer with the hawks.

Spurs get Durant

Suns get Suggs, Barnes and 14th pick.

Hawks get Devin vassel, Cole, Sochan, 25th pick.

Magic get Trae.

I am not the biggest Trae fan but he would really give us that playmaking we have been searching for forever. Plus we have an elite defense behind him to cover up some of his warts. I love Suggs but it’s hard to pay him that much money and not be able to count on him to be healthy enough when we need him. Plus sending him out West means we don’t have to see him but a couple of times a year.
Thoughts?

That trade makes no sense for Suns.

In that scenario they would end up with Suggs, Booker, Beal and Allen at PG/SG + they have Dunn who is also SG/SF.

Basically their entire roster would be shooting guards.

That’s a good point. What about a 3 teamer with the kings and hawks.

Magic get Trae and Monk

Hawks get Black, Lavine and 25th pick.

Kings get Suggs, Isaac, Goga and Niang.

Kings get a ton of defense to go around Sabonis.

Hawks get a pick, Young player with promise and a good shooter that will spread the floor.

Magic get much needed playmaking and immediately are a front runner in the East.

so Orlando starts the smallest back court in the east and takes the ball out of Paolo and Franz's hands more?

no thanks.

[jonbob17]

I was listening to the Vecenie Magic Offseason podcast last week. They jumped directly to Anfernee Simons. Then they they were going on about how Hammond and Mosely have to make sure they are on the same page. You don't trade for a guy that's not get the minutes. They also seemed to think Simons value is higher than I would have expected. And that Portland may not want to move him.


The both fell in love with Monk to Orlando. Something along the lines of JI, Howard and pick 25 for Monk. 16 instead of 25 they said they would do from Orlando's side. Far preferred this to Simons.

[basketballRob]

Wrong thread

[Airgordon00]

That trade makes no sense for Suns.

In that scenario they would end up with Suggs, Booker, Beal and Allen at PG/SG + they have Dunn who is also SG/SF.

Basically their entire roster would be shooting guards.

That’s a good point. What about a 3 teamer with the kings and hawks.

Magic get Trae and Monk

Hawks get Black, Lavine and 25th pick.

Kings get Suggs, Isaac, Goga and Niang.

Kings get a ton of defense to go around Sabonis.

Hawks get a pick, Young player with promise and a good shooter that will spread the floor.

Magic get much needed playmaking and immediately are a front runner in the East.

so Orlando starts the smallest back court in the east and takes the ball out of Paolo and Franz's hands more?

no thanks.

Well I was envisioning keeping KCP with the starters to help spread the floor and have Monk be the 6th man to give the bench a scoring punch. I agree Trae would take the ball out of their hands more but he would also set them up a lot better than are current guards do. Plus it’s not like Paolo and Franz are world beaters in the assist/turnover ratio.

[jonbob17]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

I don't think Franz is untouchable. I believe in Franz, but the threes is currently a serious flaw. And flawed players are not untouchable.

I don't know that i would do this move, but i bet bet it would be tempting. Franz + WCJ + 25 for Jalen Brown. The problem with Brown is the money. he would really limit the Magic's ability to build a full/deep roster.

[eyriq]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

I don't think Franz is untouchable. I believe in Franz, but the threes is currently a serious flaw. And flawed players are not untouchable.

I don't know that i would do this move, but i bet bet it would be tempting. Franz + WCJ + 25 for Jalen Brown. The problem with Brown is the money. he would really limit the Magic's ability to build a full/deep roster.

Cool story, bro

[Idiosyncratic]

That’s a good point. What about a 3 teamer with the kings and hawks.

Magic get Trae and Monk

Hawks get Black, Lavine and 25th pick.

Kings get Suggs, Isaac, Goga and Niang.

Kings get a ton of defense to go around Sabonis.

Hawks get a pick, Young player with promise and a good shooter that will spread the floor.

Magic get much needed playmaking and immediately are a front runner in the East.

I think the Hawks need much more for Trae even though he is expiring. My guess is they are going to make win-now moves and he won't be available anyway, but I could be off there.

[Idiosyncratic]

I was listening to the Vecenie Magic Offseason podcast last week. They jumped directly to Anfernee Simons. Then they they were going on about how Hammond and Mosely have to make sure they are on the same page. You don't trade for a guy that's not get the minutes. They also seemed to think Simons value is higher than I would have expected. And that Portland may not want to move him.


The both fell in love with Monk to Orlando. Something along the lines of JI, Howard and pick 25 for Monk. 16 instead of 25 they said they would do from Orlando's side. Far preferred this to Simons.

Yeah still a lot of Blazers fans think the FO wants to extend Simons. He's been thought to be available for a while and nobody has traded for him, not just the Magic. If they are asking for a lot for an expiring that will cost a lot to extend you just have to move on. I like the Monk deal.

[Knightro]

How about this...

1. Decline team options on Moritz, Gary and CoJo. Pick up team option on Caleb - $199.3M -> $177.3M
2. Trade KCP, Jett, 25 and 46 for Anfernee Simons -> $177.3M -> $177.8M
3. Draft at Jase Richardson at 16 and Micah Peavy at 57 - $177.8M -> $183.5M
4. Trade Jonathan Isaac to the Sacramento Kings into the Kevin Huerter TPE - $183.5M -> $168.5M
5. Sign Nickel Alexander-Walker for the MLE - $168.5M -> $182.6M
6. Trade Cole Anthony and three future 2nds for Bobby Portis - $182.6M -> $182.9M
7. Resign Moritz Wagner for 8M AAV. - $182.9 -> $190.9M
8. Resign CoJo to the veteran minimum - $190.9M -> $194.5

2025-2026 rotation
G: Suggs, Black, Joseph
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Richardson
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, Peavy
F: Banchero, Portis, TDS
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

$194.5M in committed salary. $1.4M below the first apron. Magic would be hard capped and unable to exceed the first apron due to using the full MLE.

[eyriq]

How about this...

1. Decline team options on Moritz, Gary and CoJo. Pick up team option on Caleb - $199.3M -> $177.3M
2. Trade KCP, Jett, 25 and 46 for Anfernee Simons -> $177.3M -> $177.8M
3. Draft at Jase Richardson at 16 and Micah Peavy at 57 - $177.8M -> $183.5M
4. Trade Jonathan Isaac to the Sacramento Kings into the Kevin Huerter TPE - $183.5M -> $168.5M
5. Sign Nickel Alexander-Walker for the MLE - $168.5M -> $182.6M
6. Trade Cole Anthony and three future 2nds for Bobby Portis - $182.6M -> $182.9M
7. Resign Moritz Wagner for 8M AAV. - $182.9 -> $190.9M
8. Resign CoJo to the veteran minimum - $190.9M -> $194.5

2025-2026 rotation
G: Suggs, Black, Joseph
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Richardson
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, Peavy
F: Banchero, Portis, TDS
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

$194.5M in committed salary. $1.4M below the first apron. Magic would be hard capped and unable to exceed the first apron due to using the full MLE.

I love this. Especially the placement of AB

[Knightro]

Just my opinion, but Malik Monk has more tangible point guard skills than Simons, Poole, White or Sexton. I would rank him as the best playmaker for others out of that group of five potential guys.

He is just the worst/streakiest three point shooter of the bunch which makes him a scary proposition for this team.

[Jiwol]

How about this...

1. Decline team options on Moritz, Gary and CoJo. Pick up team option on Caleb - $199.3M -> $177.3M
2. Trade KCP, Jett, 25 and 46 for Anfernee Simons -> $177.3M -> $177.8M
3. Draft at Jase Richardson at 16 and Micah Peavy at 57 - $177.8M -> $183.5M
4. Trade Jonathan Isaac to the Sacramento Kings into the Kevin Huerter TPE - $183.5M -> $168.5M
5. Sign Nickel Alexander-Walker for the MLE - $168.5M -> $182.6M
6. Trade Cole Anthony and three future 2nds for Bobby Portis - $182.6M -> $182.9M
7. Resign Moritz Wagner for 8M AAV. - $182.9 -> $190.9M
8. Resign CoJo to the veteran minimum - $190.9M -> $194.5

2025-2026 rotation
G: Suggs, Black, Joseph
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Richardson
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, Peavy
F: Banchero, Portis, TDS
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

$194.5M in committed salary. $1.4M below the first apron. Magic would be hard capped and unable to exceed the first apron due to using the full MLE.

A great plan if you ask me. Dope revamp of the backcourt and the psycho Portis would match this team beautifully. Color me enthusiastic.

[Knightro]

Malik Monk over the last two seasons has 21 games of 9 assists or more.

Coby White has 13. Anfernee Simons has 9. Collin Sexton has 9. Jordan Poole has 8.

Cole Anthony has 6. Anthony Black has 1. Jalen Suggs has 0.

[basketballRob]

Just my opinion, but Malik Monk has more tangible point guard skills than Simons, Poole, White or Sexton. I would rank him as the best playmaker for others out of that group of five potential guys.

He is just the worst/streakiest three point shooter of the bunch which makes him a scary proposition for this team.

He sounds like a prime candidate to get to Orlando and have a career low in shooting.

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[JRoy]

How about this...

1. Decline team options on Moritz, Gary and CoJo. Pick up team option on Caleb - $199.3M -> $177.3M
2. Trade KCP, Jett, 25 and 46 for Anfernee Simons -> $177.3M -> $177.8M
3. Draft at Jase Richardson at 16 and Micah Peavy at 57 - $177.8M -> $183.5M
4. Trade Jonathan Isaac to the Sacramento Kings into the Kevin Huerter TPE - $183.5M -> $168.5M
5. Sign Nickel Alexander-Walker for the MLE - $168.5M -> $182.6M
6. Trade Cole Anthony and three future 2nds for Bobby Portis - $182.6M -> $182.9M
7. Resign Moritz Wagner for 8M AAV. - $182.9 -> $190.9M
8. Resign CoJo to the veteran minimum - $190.9M -> $194.5

2025-2026 rotation
G: Suggs, Black, Joseph
G: Simons, Alexander-Walker, Richardson
F: F. Wagner, Houstan, Peavy
F: Banchero, Portis, TDS
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

$194.5M in committed salary. $1.4M below the first apron. Magic would be hard capped and unable to exceed the first apron due to using the full MLE.

You want to draft a 6 foot nothing sg?

[Knightro]

You want to draft a 6 foot nothing sg?

Don't focus on that part of it

He'll be a "point guard" at the next level. They're all just guards really. He'd be one of six of them on the roster.