Who do you want us to take at #1?

[basketballRob]

Watch JAuburn vs Miami, especially second half and tell me with straight face Jabari Smith adds much value to a team when his shots aren't falling. He sets no screens, he will basically shoot everything he touches, he doesn't even screen for offball action, he just waits for ball to hoist it up. On defense he was mailing in and doing half a** efforts by mostly fishing for rebounds.


Jabari isn't bad prospect, he is definition of complimentary peace player that will have long career in nba. But he isn't first overall pick prospect, even if draft is as bad as this one is.

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For me Smith is not the 25 ppg player every team needs. He is the player to take the final shot to win the game.

p.s. I am still very concerned that the Magic will not have a 20 ppg SG next year.

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Context...If Jabari isn't scoring for Auburn on a given night- who is? He knows he's the one and only hope-like JJ at Duke. Kind of like Cole believes every night . Jabari, with some support, will be an even better weapon than he's been on his own. Paolo for ROY, Jabari for biggest win improvement for his team, Chet for...tallest, I guess.

Jabari shoots close to the same percentage guarded 3-pointers as Paolo does unguarded.

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[basketballRob]

If Lewis could get that many attempts off. The far majority of Smith's attempts are guarded. Smith also looks like a better shooter.

I agree that Smith is a much more accomplished shooter than Lewis was at the same age.

But I just get very weary about comparing guys who played at different times when the game was being played in a much different way.

The overall league pace was also much much slower during Lewis’ career. The 2009 Magic would have once again ranked dead last in pace in 2022.

I was just pushing back on a couple of things I've heard from local radio guys saying that Rashard was Smith's ceiling.

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[MAGICian619]

Not sure where you are seeing that. Live odds from BetOnline:

1st Overall Pick 2022 NBA Draft

Jabari Smith Jr. -250

Chet Holmgren +180

Paolo Banchero +700

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/nba/picks/2022-nba-draft-odds-is-jabari-smith-jr-lock-at-no-1/400975/

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Looks like that article is a day old. It has adjusted to Jabari being a solid favorite.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-draft/1st-round

1st Overall Pick 2022 NBA Draft

Jabari Smith Jr. -230

Chet Holmgren +150

Paolo Banchero +800

Jabari still the favorite today but line has moved back toward Chet somewhat today from yesterday.

[pepe1991]

If Lewis could get that many attempts off. The far majority of Smith's attempts are guarded. Smith also looks like a better shooter.

I agree that Smith is a much more accomplished shooter than Lewis was at the same age.

But I just get very weary about comparing guys who played at different times when the game was being played in a much different way.

The overall league pace was also much much slower during Lewis’ career. The 2009 Magic would have once again ranked dead last in pace in 2022.

I was just pushing back on a couple of things I've heard from local radio guys saying that Rashard was Smith's ceiling.

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That is his ceiling.
For fapfest about his "leathal" mid range, guy shoot crappy 32% from it. But hey, when it gets in, people tweet 500000 videos of it, when he misses, 68% of time, people bite toung.

Guy is 3 and D streach PF.

In any stronger draft he would not even be considerted top 5. He is 1 level scorer and compimentary player. But when draft sucks somebody has to be blown through moon.

For sake of argument, i would rather have 12th pick and SGA than anybody from Chet, Jabari or Paolo. Watch current playoffs. Guys who are their arytypes simply don't play on contenders. Jabari will never be potent scorer because his ballhandling is just a** along with his movment without ball or in general his involment in offense when plays are not called for him. He had multiple possessions even at college where he was calling own number on wrong side of elbow, where other guy was there to double him up. His screens are Bamba - level laughable.

Chet is toothpick. By far most skilled player in draft. But built like Pokuševski. Who is very skilled but gets eaten alive.

Paolo is 3 level scorer. Potentially. But has serious downside with his lazy defense , mediocre athletic ability and not defined offensive nor defensive skill. Pick&roll , screening , rolling, passing big sounds great.... If you have elite PG to pair him with.

[basketballRob]

I agree that Smith is a much more accomplished shooter than Lewis was at the same age.

But I just get very weary about comparing guys who played at different times when the game was being played in a much different way.

The overall league pace was also much much slower during Lewis’ career. The 2009 Magic would have once again ranked dead last in pace in 2022.

I was just pushing back on a couple of things I've heard from local radio guys saying that Rashard was Smith's ceiling.

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That is his ceiling.
For fapfest about his "leathal" mid range, guy shoot crappy 32% from it. But hey, when it gets in, people tweet 500000 videos of it, when he misses, 68% of time, people bite toung.

Guy is 3 and D streach PF.

In any stronger draft he would not even be considerted top 5. He is 1 level scorer and compimentary player. But when draft sucks somebody has to be blown through moon.

He's a better shooter than Franz. He was 31% from 10-16, from the 16-3-point line he was 25%. Jabari was 32.2% from 10-16 and over 40% from 16-3-point. Then Jabari was a better shooter from all areas from 3. Jabari also draws fouls at a much higher rate.

Franz can drive better and Jabari is a better shooter at a younger age.


Just pointing out that Jabari stands up well to other players.



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[Magic_Kingdom]

Taking Chet will be a mistake and I feel like that's exactly what Welt & Hamm are going to do. Hammond is already saying things that make it sound like Chet is their guy, unless it's a smokescreen.

[Hogified05]

Rashard Lewis only shot over 400 twice in 15 years and never averaged as many 3-point attempts that Jabari did per 100 possessions. Rashard averaged 2.8 makes per 100 and Jabari averaged 4.5 last season. Jabari is going to be a way better scorer than Lewis and I keep hearing some say he's Jabari's ceiling.

It's like comparing CJ McCollum to Steph. Sure they do a lot of the same stuff but one of them does it better.

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I think Rashard is his floor. That's a pretty good floor. Whoever they pick i'll get down to but I lean Jabari. I can't get out of my head how much this team will start to resemble those peak Dwight teams if it is Jabari. At least Jabari and Franz being Turk and Rashard. Cole has a lot of Meer in him undersized PG who is a scorer first. Really isn't a Dwight but Jabari and Franz feel like mirrors to Turk and Rashard.

It's a tough decision. I'd still like to trade back to 2 and grab some more assets and let OKC decide but I'll ride with whoever we pick.

[p0peye]

Rashard Lewis only shot over 400 twice in 15 years and never averaged as many 3-point attempts that Jabari did per 100 possessions. Rashard averaged 2.8 makes per 100 and Jabari averaged 4.5 last season. Jabari is going to be a way better scorer than Lewis and I keep hearing some say he's Jabari's ceiling.

It's like comparing CJ McCollum to Steph. Sure they do a lot of the same stuff but one of them does it better.

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I think Rashard is his floor. That's a pretty good floor. Whoever they pick i'll get down to but I lean Jabari. I can't get out of my head how much this team will start to resemble those peak Dwight teams if it is Jabari. At least Jabari and Franz being Turk and Rashard. Cole has a lot of Meer in him undersized PG who is a scorer first. Really isn't a Dwight but Jabari and Franz feel like mirrors to Turk and Rashard.

It's a tough decision. I'd still like to trade back to 2 and grab some more assets and let OKC decide but I'll ride with whoever we pick.

If Rashard was his floor, that means Jabari starts as 20PPG All Star in his rookie season and goes up from there. I think it is most likely his impact to be very similar to Rashard's and agree on similarity Jabari/Franz would have to Rashard/Turk duo, but such team today would be lacking Vince Carter much more than Dwight.

Main take I have on this draft is that all noise seems to be concentrated on who has lower floor. Not a good sign.

[Magicman125]

Rashard Lewis only shot over 400 twice in 15 years and never averaged as many 3-point attempts that Jabari did per 100 possessions. Rashard averaged 2.8 makes per 100 and Jabari averaged 4.5 last season. Jabari is going to be a way better scorer than Lewis and I keep hearing some say he's Jabari's ceiling.

It's like comparing CJ McCollum to Steph. Sure they do a lot of the same stuff but one of them does it better.

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I think Rashard is his floor. That's a pretty good floor. Whoever they pick i'll get down to but I lean Jabari. I can't get out of my head how much this team will start to resemble those peak Dwight teams if it is Jabari. At least Jabari and Franz being Turk and Rashard. Cole has a lot of Meer in him undersized PG who is a scorer first. Really isn't a Dwight but Jabari and Franz feel like mirrors to Turk and Rashard.

It's a tough decision. I'd still like to trade back to 2 and grab some more assets and let OKC decide but I'll ride with whoever we pick.

If Rashard was his floor, that means Jabari starts as 20PPG All Star in his rookie season and goes up from there. I think it is most likely his impact to be very similar to Rashard's and agree on similarity Jabari/Franz would have to Rashard/Turk duo, but such team today would be lacking Vince Carter much more than Dwight.

Main take I have on this draft is that all noise seems to be concentrated on who has lower floor. Not a good sign.

We didn't have Vince Carter at the same time as Turkoglu. We traded for Vince after Otis let Turkoglu go in free agency.

[PrimeThyme]

I’m shocked that we finally got the first overall pick and the only thing a certain poster here can do is relentlessly teardown every prospect we could potentially take there.

The predictability gets really old.

[neuraldarwinism]

the athletic has convinced me jabari is the best bet and the only prospect who would be a top 5 pick in a mean draft. i'm cool with him.

[orlando_joe]

Rashard Lewis only shot over 400 twice in 15 years and never averaged as many 3-point attempts that Jabari did per 100 possessions. Rashard averaged 2.8 makes per 100 and Jabari averaged 4.5 last season. Jabari is going to be a way better scorer than Lewis and I keep hearing some say he's Jabari's ceiling.

It's like comparing CJ McCollum to Steph. Sure they do a lot of the same stuff but one of them does it better.

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I think Rashard is his floor. That's a pretty good floor. Whoever they pick i'll get down to but I lean Jabari. I can't get out of my head how much this team will start to resemble those peak Dwight teams if it is Jabari. At least Jabari and Franz being Turk and Rashard. Cole has a lot of Meer in him undersized PG who is a scorer first. Really isn't a Dwight but Jabari and Franz feel like mirrors to Turk and Rashard.

It's a tough decision. I'd still like to trade back to 2 and grab some more assets and let OKC decide but I'll ride with whoever we pick.

If Rashard was his floor, that means Jabari starts as 20PPG All Star in his rookie season and goes up from there. I think it is most likely his impact to be very similar to Rashard's and agree on similarity Jabari/Franz would have to Rashard/Turk duo, but such team today would be lacking Vince Carter much more than Dwight.

Main take I have on this draft is that all noise seems to be concentrated on who has lower floor. Not a good sign.

lewis did not hit 15 pts a game for 4 yrs...why would you put that on smith to be 20 pt first yr and allstar rookie season..thats a bit much in yrs 5-10 would be great anything sooner bonus

[Drgaliza2]

I just read a report that kai sotto had a private workout with orlando magic.. so I think the magic is considering banchero or jabari at 1st pick and take kai sotto in the second round. I would be surprised if magic picks holmgren at this point since they can get a modern bigman in 2nd round anyway but given his talent and upside, it will be tough decision..

[GelbeWand09]

I just read a report that kai sotto had a private workout with orlando magic.. so I think the magic is considering banchero or jabari at 1st pick and take kai sotto in the second round. I would be surprised if magic picks holmgren at this point since they can get a modern bigman in 2nd round anyway but given his talent and upside, it will be tough decision..

And if we keep Bol Bol, we doesnt need Wembanyama next year too.

[Drgaliza2]

I just read a report that kai sotto had a private workout with orlando magic.. so I think the magic is considering banchero or jabari at 1st pick and take kai sotto in the second round. I would be surprised if magic picks holmgren at this point since they can get a modern bigman in 2nd round anyway but given his talent and upside, it will be tough decision..

And if we keep Bol Bol, we doesnt need Wembanyama next year too.

Imagine you get wembayana too next year.. its the death of small ball lineup
Imagine this lineup
C: mo bamba 7’0/lopez 7’0
Pf: kai sotto 7’3 / wendel carter 6’10
Sf: franz wagner 6’10
Sg: wembayana 7’3/ bol bol 7’2
Pg: chet holmegren 7’0

This modern bigman can guard point guards. But can this point guards guard this 7 footers?

[RookieStar]

Sooooo.. i checked out B/R and it mentioned we gave a hin to who we are picking based on the interview... something along the lines of liking long, lanky, multi-dimensional types.

Lol so much smoke. Are we doing it for OKCs bid? Is it real?

[Magic4champ]

What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.

[SOUL]

Sooooo.. i checked out B/R and it mentioned we gave a hin to who we are picking based on the interview... something along the lines of liking long, lanky, multi-dimensional types.

Lol so much smoke. Are we doing it for OKCs bid? Is it real?

Jabari fits that mold too lol

[p0peye]

I think Rashard is his floor. That's a pretty good floor. Whoever they pick i'll get down to but I lean Jabari. I can't get out of my head how much this team will start to resemble those peak Dwight teams if it is Jabari. At least Jabari and Franz being Turk and Rashard. Cole has a lot of Meer in him undersized PG who is a scorer first. Really isn't a Dwight but Jabari and Franz feel like mirrors to Turk and Rashard.

It's a tough decision. I'd still like to trade back to 2 and grab some more assets and let OKC decide but I'll ride with whoever we pick.

If Rashard was his floor, that means Jabari starts as 20PPG All Star in his rookie season and goes up from there. I think it is most likely his impact to be very similar to Rashard's and agree on similarity Jabari/Franz would have to Rashard/Turk duo, but such team today would be lacking Vince Carter much more than Dwight.

Main take I have on this draft is that all noise seems to be concentrated on who has lower floor. Not a good sign.

We didn't have Vince Carter at the same time as Turkoglu. We traded for Vince after Otis let Turkoglu go in free agency.

I know, that is not the point.