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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#81 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:30 pm

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Currently, Weltman and Clifford believe that they will work together as a defensive unit and as knowledge they need to add more scoring. I think that is a fair perspective, specially since all 3 of these guys are the Magic’s best assets. It would make no sense to let one of them walk, in this case AG.

Had a great opportunity to get Young or Doncic. They would of brought a high potential offensive focal point for the team. Can't keep adding bigs in a league where the importance of perimeter play by guards and SFs has been at an all-time high in league history. Needed to sabotage the Dallas/Atlanta trade by trading up with Memphis and poach Young. Having to likely trade Fournier for Parsons, but that would be worth the risk putting ourselves in position to trade up again for Doncic.


What was the great opportunity to get Young or Doncic? It would have cost millions to move up to 4 and get Young, a guy that the Magic FO may have had rated lower than Bamba.

If what you are saying is true, why was the #1 pick in the draft a big and not Doncic? And then why did another big in Bagley go right after him?

Also, why is Jokic now getting a max, and Capella most likely will too. Houston, the most progressive offense in the league is rumored to try and fill that position with Deandre Jordan? It seems as if many, many teams all find the 5 sport to be important. And a team like the Magic needs rim protection just as badly as a PG and shooting.

What does it matter how much it would cost financially? It doesn't matter if we have bad contracts while we are rebuilding/tanking. If it would basically take Fournier for Parsons to swap 6 for 4, that's a decent deal. The remaining money on those contracts are basically the same (EF 51, CP 50), but the Parsons deal ends in 2 years instead of Fournier's 3. Fournier likely doesn't have a future with this team so getting out from a contract with 50 million on it in 2 years instead of 3 is better for our finances.

Trading up for Young to shorten a contract is an easy yes for us, and Memphis dumping a washed up Parsons for a guy that fits perfectly into their starting lineup who's locked in for 3 years is a yes for them too. That trade for Young is pretty good, but snatching Atlanta's guy and holding a great prospect for us hostage to get an even better prospect in Doncic, is amazing. Giving up the protected 1st that Dallas did to move up is more than reasonable for the best playmaking prospect Orlando has had since probably Penny. Not shaving a year off a 50 million deal and keeping a protected 2019 1st is going to be the next of the franchise's worst management decisions in history.

TLDR: Settling at 6 was bad, trading up for Young would be good, trading up twice for Doncic would of been amazing.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#82 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:37 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:Had a great opportunity to get Young or Doncic. They would of brought a high potential offensive focal point for the team. Can't keep adding bigs in a league where the importance of perimeter play by guards and SFs has been at an all-time high in league history. Needed to sabotage the Dallas/Atlanta trade by trading up with Memphis and poach Young. Having to likely trade Fournier for Parsons, but that would be worth the risk putting ourselves in position to trade up again for Doncic.


What was the great opportunity to get Young or Doncic? It would have cost millions to move up to 4 and get Young, a guy that the Magic FO may have had rated lower than Bamba.

If what you are saying is true, why was the #1 pick in the draft a big and not Doncic? And then why did another big in Bagley go right after him?

Also, why is Jokic now getting a max, and Capella most likely will too. Houston, the most progressive offense in the league is rumored to try and fill that position with Deandre Jordan? It seems as if many, many teams all find the 5 sport to be important. And a team like the Magic needs rim protection just as badly as a PG and shooting.

What does it matter how much it would cost financially? It doesn't matter if we have bad contracts while we are rebuilding/tanking. If it would basically take Fournier for Parsons to swap 6 for 4, that's a decent deal. The remaining money on those contracts are basically the same (EF 51, CP 50), but the Parsons deal ends in 2 years instead of Fournier's 3. Fournier likely doesn't have a future with this team so getting out from a contract with 50 million on it in 2 years instead of 3 is better for our finances.

Trading up for Young to shorten a contract is an easy yes for us, and Memphis dumping a washed up Parsons for a guy that fits perfectly into their starting lineup who's locked in for 3 years is a yes for them too. That trade for Young is pretty good, but snatching Atlanta's guy and holding a great prospect for us hostage to get an even better prospect in Doncic, is amazing. Giving up the protected 1st that Dallas did to move up is more than reasonable for the best playmaking prospect Orlando has had since probably Penny. Not shaving a year off a 50 million deal and keeping a protected 2019 1st is going to be the next of the franchise's worst management decisions in history.

TLDR: Settling at 6 was bad, trading up for Young would be good, trading up twice for Doncic would of been amazing.


You have no idea if that trade could have even occurred. That’s just a lot of speculation on your part. Everything you are saying here really is right now. Bamba could turn out being the star of the draft, and then you would casually forget all about this. Your last sentence is so dramatic and inaccurate that you can go ahead and just believe your own words and be miserable, while the rest of us enjoy watching Bamba develop.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#83 » by zaymon » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:52 pm

I was so high on Doncic, Trae and Carter that i refused to watch bamba interviews and videos. He was all hype for me. Since than i did my diligence, and i must admit Bamba is not a worse prospect than all three of them (Carter being the biggest drop in upside). There was no reason for Weltman to include additional assets when he got one of the biggest prizes in the draft. Bamba comes into the league with much more talent than Gobert. If he has half of Goberts competetiveness he will be a star. Personality wise he is just unique, i see a future where all-stars will come here to play with him. He is not a surefire star but the potential is franchise changing
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#84 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:09 pm

PennytoShaq wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
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What was the great opportunity to get Young or Doncic? It would have cost millions to move up to 4 and get Young, a guy that the Magic FO may have had rated lower than Bamba.

If what you are saying is true, why was the #1 pick in the draft a big and not Doncic? And then why did another big in Bagley go right after him?

Also, why is Jokic now getting a max, and Capella most likely will too. Houston, the most progressive offense in the league is rumored to try and fill that position with Deandre Jordan? It seems as if many, many teams all find the 5 sport to be important. And a team like the Magic needs rim protection just as badly as a PG and shooting.

What does it matter how much it would cost financially? It doesn't matter if we have bad contracts while we are rebuilding/tanking. If it would basically take Fournier for Parsons to swap 6 for 4, that's a decent deal. The remaining money on those contracts are basically the same (EF 51, CP 50), but the Parsons deal ends in 2 years instead of Fournier's 3. Fournier likely doesn't have a future with this team so getting out from a contract with 50 million on it in 2 years instead of 3 is better for our finances.

Trading up for Young to shorten a contract is an easy yes for us, and Memphis dumping a washed up Parsons for a guy that fits perfectly into their starting lineup who's locked in for 3 years is a yes for them too. That trade for Young is pretty good, but snatching Atlanta's guy and holding a great prospect for us hostage to get an even better prospect in Doncic, is amazing. Giving up the protected 1st that Dallas did to move up is more than reasonable for the best playmaking prospect Orlando has had since probably Penny. Not shaving a year off a 50 million deal and keeping a protected 2019 1st is going to be the next of the franchise's worst management decisions in history.

TLDR: Settling at 6 was bad, trading up for Young would be good, trading up twice for Doncic would of been amazing.


You have no idea if that trade could have even occurred. That’s just a lot of speculation on your part. Everything you are saying here really is right now. Bamba could turn out being the star of the draft, and then you would casually forget all about this. Your last sentence is so dramatic and inaccurate that you can go ahead and just believe your own words and be miserable, while the rest of us enjoy watching Bamba develop.

I'm still going to enjoy watching Bamba develop too, but I'm not going to pretend possibly missing out on Doncic isn't going to haunt us.

Bamba could turn out to be a star, but that won't change the fact that talent on the perimeter is more important than talent in the paint. The only considerable talent on the team are all most effective in the paint, but we have absolutely no talent on the perimeter and there are very little on the horizon. If one emerges in the only place we have a decent shot to acquire talent (the draft), it's more than likely that we'll screw up getting him by either management making the wrong pick or coming up a few picks short or not maximizing our lottery odds.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#85 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:16 pm

zaymon wrote:I was so high on Doncic, Trae and Carter that i refused to watch bamba interviews and videos. He was all hype for me. Since than i did my diligence, and i must admit Bamba is not a worse prospect than all three of them (Carter being the biggest drop in upside). There was no reason for Weltman to include additional assets when he got one of the biggest prizes in the draft. Bamba comes into the league with much more talent than Gobert. If he has half of Goberts competetiveness he will be a star. Personality wise he is just unique, i see a future where all-stars will come here to play with him. He is not a surefire star but the potential is franchise changing



Didn't like how skinny he is, but:
It was written that "He plays with fire" and "Continues to bring it even when he’s not heavily involved with the offense or getting many touches ... Plays under control, doesn’t get rushed … Extremely bright kid who got offers from Ivy league schools like Harvard" which I love, especially when you see effort a question mark of Ayton.



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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#86 » by PennytoShaq » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:26 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
PennytoShaq wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:What does it matter how much it would cost financially? It doesn't matter if we have bad contracts while we are rebuilding/tanking. If it would basically take Fournier for Parsons to swap 6 for 4, that's a decent deal. The remaining money on those contracts are basically the same (EF 51, CP 50), but the Parsons deal ends in 2 years instead of Fournier's 3. Fournier likely doesn't have a future with this team so getting out from a contract with 50 million on it in 2 years instead of 3 is better for our finances.

Trading up for Young to shorten a contract is an easy yes for us, and Memphis dumping a washed up Parsons for a guy that fits perfectly into their starting lineup who's locked in for 3 years is a yes for them too. That trade for Young is pretty good, but snatching Atlanta's guy and holding a great prospect for us hostage to get an even better prospect in Doncic, is amazing. Giving up the protected 1st that Dallas did to move up is more than reasonable for the best playmaking prospect Orlando has had since probably Penny. Not shaving a year off a 50 million deal and keeping a protected 2019 1st is going to be the next of the franchise's worst management decisions in history.

TLDR: Settling at 6 was bad, trading up for Young would be good, trading up twice for Doncic would of been amazing.


You have no idea if that trade could have even occurred. That’s just a lot of speculation on your part. Everything you are saying here really is right now. Bamba could turn out being the star of the draft, and then you would casually forget all about this. Your last sentence is so dramatic and inaccurate that you can go ahead and just believe your own words and be miserable, while the rest of us enjoy watching Bamba develop.

I'm still going to enjoy watching Bamba develop too, but I'm not going to pretend possibly missing out on Doncic isn't going to haunt us.

Bamba could turn out to be a star, but that won't change the fact that talent on the perimeter is more important than talent in the paint. The only considerable talent on the team are all most effective in the paint, but we have absolutely no talent on the perimeter and there are very little on the horizon. If one emerges in the only place we have a decent shot to acquire talent (the draft), it's more than likely that we'll screw up getting him by either management making the wrong pick or coming up a few picks short or not maximizing our lottery odds.


If you really think there is no perimeter talent coming into the Nba, just read all the quotes last year from people who had the same thoughts on us passing on dsj and instantly pivoted to young this year. There is always perimeter talent out there. The magic took the bpa on the board. Giving up next years first rounder and millions in cap to move up on a guy like young (my personal choice, btw) just made no sense, which is why most people here arent whining about the sky falling after getting bamba.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#87 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:12 am

We really didn't see guard star from college ,being star at college and in nba for few years now.
2011: Irving
2012: Beal, Lillard
2013 :Dipo took few years to develop
2014: nobody
2015: nobody in top lottery, Booker later lottery
2016: nobody
2017: nobody

Man my fantasy trade Gordon for Jamal Murray last year would look like gold today :'(
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#88 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:35 pm

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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#89 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:52 pm

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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#90 » by Versubio » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:57 pm

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What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#91 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:39 pm

Versubio wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Read on Twitter


What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.

He wasn't at KY.
But, it looks like he shot 39% from 3 last year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Isaiah-Briscoe/International/41489
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#92 » by Versubio » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:47 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Versubio wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Read on Twitter


What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.

He wasn't at KY.
But, it looks like he shot 39% from 3 last year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Isaiah-Briscoe/International/41489


That's a good %. Maybe he can be a Khem Birch kind of find.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#93 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:54 pm

Versubio wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
Versubio wrote:
What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.

He wasn't at KY.
But, it looks like he shot 39% from 3 last year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Isaiah-Briscoe/International/41489


That's a good %. Maybe he can be a Khem Birch kind of find.


Yep. To me, this is what summer league is about, he was an elite recruit to KY, time overseas to work on his shooting could be sneaky great.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#94 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:55 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Versubio wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Read on Twitter


What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.

He wasn't at KY.
But, it looks like he shot 39% from 3 last year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Isaiah-Briscoe/International/41489


was a career 22% shooter from 3 at kentucky his 2 years from 15-17... FT% at 55% as well YIKES>
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#95 » by Versubio » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:56 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
Versubio wrote:
What do we know abut him? Is he a good shooter? He played in the Baltic league last season.

He wasn't at KY.
But, it looks like he shot 39% from 3 last year.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Isaiah-Briscoe/International/41489


was a career 22% shooter from 3 at kentucky his 2 years from 15-17... FT% at 55% as well YIKES>


Maybe his time overseas has helped his shooting.
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Post#96 » by nymets1 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:29 pm

I wanted us to sign Briscoe last year right after the NBA draft as an undrafted free agent. So it happens a year later as far as making the summer league team.
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Post#97 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:22 am

Looks promising. But sounds like his shot never developed in college

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Briscoe-19655

Powerfully built at 6-3 and 218 pounds, Briscoe has an exceptional 6-9.5 wingspan
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Post#98 » by Tarheel » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:12 am

fendilim wrote:Looks promising. But sounds like his shot never developed in college

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Briscoe-19655

Powerfully built at 6-3 and 218 pounds, Briscoe has an exceptional 6-9.5 wingspan


...and there is our starting PG
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Post#99 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:21 am

Tarheel wrote:
fendilim wrote:Looks promising. But sounds like his shot never developed in college

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Briscoe-19655

Powerfully built at 6-3 and 218 pounds, Briscoe has an exceptional 6-9.5 wingspan


...and there is our starting PG

Exacty what i was thinking so i had to post the wingspan thing. And a developmental shooter too. Lol

Dont think he’ll ever develop tho. Kinda reminds me of mcroberts. Or the harrison twins. Same developmental trajectory. Highly recruited from hs, turned out to be a ncaa disappointment. Now an end of bench player.
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Re: 2018 Summer League Roster thread 

Post#100 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:44 am

Level of quality last year in SL , in both ORlando and Vegas was atrocious.
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