2023-2024 Regular Season Game 8: Atlanta Hawks (4-3) vs. Orlando Magic (4-3) in Mexico City - 9:30pm

Darth Magic · Post #901 » by **Darth Magic** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:45 am

OrlandoNed wrote:Our offense is a clogged toilet.

That's not descriptive enough

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #902 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:45 am

I think someone need to have a serious conversation with Fultz, Paolo, and Franz.

Post #903 » by **SOUL** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:46 am

Anyway, all of that and we still "should've" won. Bad turnovers, bad defense (which for Mexico City, fine whatever), bad free throw shooting, lousy shotmaking down the stretch.

We'll be okay, still far away from being a really good team but to be expected with young stars.

VFX · Post #904 » by **VFX** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:46 am

Black and Blue wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Knightro wrote:
No offense to you because I know everyone's frustrated after a loss, but I just hate stuff like this.

The first possession you referenced... Paolo gets an off ball screen and gets the switch on Capela.

Johnson (Isaac's man) and Trae (Suggs' man) both collapse down on Paolo at the elbow. He kicks left to Isaac instead of right to Suggs who bricks a wide open 3.

Are we blaming Mosley because the action they set up created two wide open shooters and Paolo just passed to the wrong one?

Next time down Fultz and Paolo run a quick dribble hand off and Paolo just plows right into Johnson for a charge with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. Johnson was in great position and Paolo could have easily turned it into a post up or even reset.

Next time down Franz isos on Capela after a switch and blows by him for a score.

Final possession they try the same Franz iso on Capela action

Like in the final 4 possessions they got: WIDE OPEN 3PT, CHARGE, LAYUP, WIDE OPEN 3PT.

Not sure what else y'all want? The action worked. The guys just missed.

Wasn’t going to say the quiet part out loud but… Fultz.

What is he doing on offense if we are expecting a 3 and the action is getting Paolo the ball?

Why is it that we have Isaac taking heavily contested shots in crunch time over literally any other option than Fultz?

Paolo isn’t reliable enough from 3 yet to just put the game on the line open or not.

Exactly. My friend who is a giant NBA nerd (but not a Magic fan so was kinda taking it all in) was completely flabbergasted watching with me. He said, “Hold up, so the team is expecting Paolo ISO ball for the remaining 5 minutes nonstop even though 1) the Hawks are double teaming it because you have friggin Fultz and Isaac out there, 2) that’s not at all in the typical Magic offense, and 3) that isn’t a part of Paolo’s repertoire yet?” And I had to agree and simply watch the team slowly choke the game away as Mosely stared completely perplexed on how this could be happening.

So yes I’m totally concerned that a non magic fan was able to diagnose the issue in 2 seconds while Mosely will say something about reviewing the tape or “the shots just weren’t falling down the stretch” or something. This team has enough talent to be a borderline playoff team but I don’t know if they can be more than that if Mosley coaches this way.

Yeah I’m done pointing **** out.

That’s the problem. The shots weren’t falling down the stretch…. Lol

Maybe some of these posters are right. We just need to out-talent everyone to win. Who cares if it makes sense on the floor or not. It obviously doesn’t matter if we can just hand Paolo the ball and expect things to work without running plays.

Post #905 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:50 am

To win this five game stint, we need to beat Milwaukee and the Nets. No easy feat

thelead · Post #906 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:50 am

just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

Rainwater · Post #907 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:51 am

Losses suck but I feel like people forget this team is young. And, honestly I don’t think this team was built to win this year. So it’s whatever.

SHAQ32 · Post #908 » by **SHAQ32** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:52 am

At least we didn't get screwed by the refs

Last Guardian · Post #909 » by **Last Guardian** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:52 am

Paolo needs to go back to the basket a lot more. He's pretty good at it. These face up drives are 50/50. He either gets a layup or turns it over.

Definitely liked him in the non fultz games as the primary creator. AB did nothing that a PG would normally do. Paolo did everything, and he looked good doing it. I don't think that would be good every game, in fact it will cost us games. But I think its best in the end. This offense by committee just seems disorganized. No one knows whats going on half the time.

That said we still scored 119 lol. That was plenty of points to win. The defense just wasn't there even though Suggs was his normal self. Giving 120 to Denver makes sense, but not Atlanta.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #910 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:53 am

eyriq wrote:To win this five game stint, we need to beat Milwaukee and the Nets. No easy feat

The Bucks is a loss. The Nets might be interesting because it is a tournament game.

Post #911 » by **ChosenSavior** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:53 am

thelead wrote:just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

I'm still pissed Chuma was in the game for that little stint in the 2nd quarter. Jett provides a skill that is desperately needed on this roster and he can't sniff the floor.

Rainwater · Post #912 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:53 am

thelead wrote:just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

I really do expect some trades to occur at some point this season to free up some time. Until that happens, I feel like rides the bench.

Post #913 » by **SOUL** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:53 am

MagicMatic wrote:Maybe some of these posters are right. We just need to out-talent everyone to win. Who cares if it makes sense on the floor or not.

The problem is that it seems we have no consistently reliable offensive player so far this season. Most teams can just put it in their star's hands and let him make a shot or create for others, i.e. Doncic or even Brunson or something, which is what we're trying to do with Paolo. That dependable guy for us was Franz last year and he's on a milk carton so far this year.

Suggs was great, but the fact that a guy who is shooting 36% this year and under 40% for his career should be the go-to scorer down the stretch of this game is an actual issue. The other team is also very aware of him shooting well this game. We can put it in Suggs hands and give him carte blanche but I think just scheming an open three for him is way harder than people assume.

Post #914 » by **Knightro** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:55 am

SOUL wrote:Not to dunk on Fultz, but he needed to plant his ass at the 3 point line during that last play. He just randomly moves to the elbow and sits there and gives Wagner zero room to go anywhere. Paolo's shot was open but got tipped so was less open than I thought.

I also think Fultz botched the help on the Murray game winning 3PT given the score.

Trae drove right past Paolo on the switch. Isaac rotated over perfectly, but Fultz IMO crashed down way too hard on Capela leaving Murray wide open in the corner.

If Fultz doesn't crash down, maybe Young dumps it off to Capela for a short shot, but that would have just tied the game.

I know guys are taught to crash down, but the score should have impacted the rotation IMO.

KillMonger · Post #915 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:55 am

thelead wrote:just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

This is what i'm saying.....i asked that same question a while ago and got pushback....are we too good to play our lotto picks? someone replied to me, yes....are we?

Post #916 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:56 am

thelead wrote:just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

No, we certainly are not good enough to bench lotto picks.

Rainwater · Post #917 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:56 am

I really can’t wait until Fultz leaves. I just like when the ball is in the hands of Franz and Paolo, turnovers and all. They just play better

basketballRob · Post #918 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:56 am

Jett is behind Houstan.

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Post #919 » by **SOUL** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:57 am

The thing with Jett is people just think he's going to make 4 threes and it's going to be amazing.

He's going to struggle defensively and have off games as well, and probably have less advanced impact than veterans.

If people are okay with that, and taking the lumps of playing young players, I am fine with it too.

My guess is people want to win while playing rookies 20-25 minutes and I don't see both happening.

thelead · Post #920 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:58 am

KillMonger wrote:
thelead wrote:just wondering if Jett is going to get anything but garbage time minutes for this team. We're not the GSW. We're not good enough to bury lotto picks this badly.

This is what i'm saying.....i asked that same question a while ago and got pushback....are we too good to play our lotto picks? someone replied to me, yes....are we?

I was okay with him not getting minutes at first... but then we had 2 guards go down with injuries and now even Chuma makes random appearances. I'm not 'mad' but I sure am bewildered by what is going on with this roster.