ezzzp wrote:A veiled personal attack isn't covering up that defense and making those around you better matters...Vucevic was superior at both than Towns and offensively he wasn't far behind.
As I said... preemptive. You start arguments and then play victim after a few posts. It's your modus operandi. How do you accuse someone of being xenophobic when they have no idea where you are from? Think about it.
ezzzp wrote:Now, about this comment...
First, six games is absolutely meaningful. It was literally the difference between a 6/7th seed playoff team and one in the mid lottery.
Second, the season is 82 games, it DOES NOT end on March 17th. That use of that cherry picked date is absolutely hilarious. The Magic had a better record on November 26th...the Magic had better record on January 2nd...the Magic had better record on March 3d....see how that works? The record that matters is the record on April 10th.
There was nothing arbitrary about the date selected. It was the last day of the season that Minnesota had a better record than Orlando and it came 85% of the way through the season. The Western Conference playoff teams had long-since been decided and Minnesota's season was effectively over. Meanwhile, Orlando was pulling out every stop to try to dig, scrape, and claw for extra wins against diminished competition. Knightro, quite accurately, predicted how Orlando's season would play out after Clifford was hired.
ezzzp wrote:Third. Touches gives insight as to how dominant or passive a player is on their specific team.
You used the wrong part of the touch stat to try to prove a point. You used Total PPT, instead of Front Court PPT. To establish what you think your are trying to say, you would use Front Court Touches for obvious reasons. That is unless you are trying to prove that Wiggins is better full court heaver than Towns .
Using the correct elements from that stat, its: Towns .544 PPT vs Wiggins .519 PPT.
Remember when you thought you were discrediting that stat, but it was really just that you were using it wrong?
Wrong. Touches are a counting stat and nothing more. They simply tell you how many distinct times a player had the ball in his possession. This includes rebounds and outlets. Beyond this, touches are dictated by the offensive scheme.
Points per touch has nothing to do with full court heaves. Vucevic and Towns both had .000 points per heave as each player attempted and missed only one over the entire season.
I wasn't trying to establish anything. I was demonstrating how absurd the statistic is. It was used precisely as you used it when you were trying to use it to prove that Fournier is better than Gordon and posted this gem:
ezzzp wrote:• Points Per Touch
Gordon: (18-19) .297 PPT / (17-18) .294 PPT / (16-17) .329 PPT / (15-16) .243 PPT / (14-15) .231 PPT
Fournier: (18-19) .348 PPT / (17-18) .426 PPT / (16-17) .367 PPT / (15-16) .317 PPT / (14-15) .317 PPT
Nobody cares about touches because everything can be more neatly and accurately measured relative to possessions or field goal attempts. We can measure shooting volume with field goal attempts per 36 minutes and we can measure efficiency with TS%.
Points per touch is akin to dribbles per rebound. It's not that it says nothing. It just doesn't say anything meaningful. It tells you less than its constituent components. It doesn't tell you how often someone shoots or how efficiently they shoot.
ezzzp wrote:...and now you are using injuries as excuse for Wolves? Funny how you didn't give Vucevic and the Magic that benefit last year...and they actually were ravaged by injuries to all their key players. Towns played 77 games and Wiggins played 73, their two top players were healthy.
Oh and about poor Towns not having any help...if you take away their scrub half of the roster that never played you get a totally different picture than what you are trying to sell. Their actual top 10 rotation had a .551 TS%. And that's not counting Covington (.580 TS%) who played 22 games before getting injured or Jimmy Butler (.579 TS%) who also played part of the season.Spoiler:
I didn't mention Orlando's injuries last year for the same reason that I didn't mention that Minnesota won 47 games last year or that Orlando won only 25... because nobody was talking about last year.
I don't know why you posted the TS% of those players when the team had a .552 TS%. Again though, it was buoyed by Towns' .622 TS%. Everyone else combined for a .536 TS%. For comparison's sake, Vucevic's supporting cast combined for a .545 TS%. Vucevic elevated the team average TS% to .550.
This is all really absurd though. Vucevic had a fine season; easily the best of his career. He's just not as good as Towns. That's why Towns received 5x as many All-NBA votes. It's not the product of some bias towards the basketball Mecca that is Minnesota.