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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1081 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:46 am

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pepe1991 wrote:Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

I dunno. It takes a long time for PGs to develop. It's not a position determined by size and athleticism, as much as it is mental and fine motor skills... coordination, speed, ball handling.

What I do know is that our SG and SF are definitely not here.


I might add:
1. Our future younger winning head coach is not here yet;
2. Our reliable 3-pt specialist regardless of his floor position is not here as well;
3. Our future bold and modern-day and up to the task Front Office ain't here;

@ What we still have though, is the same old Alex "Greasy" Martins, pretending to be passive, lurking in the shadows. And Fournier and Bamba to try and trade if anyone is interested at all.

A lot of work to do. I am not quite sure who gets to make the tough decisions in the near future for this Magic franchise. Sure as hell the boring and half-asleep nursing home patients WEHAM are not going to grow a pair all of a sudden.

When thinking how hard it is to part ways with their own draft pick Bambinho and while reminding themselves it's even harder next to impossible to negotiate a significant NBA deal involving real players instead of worthless future 2nd rounders:

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1082 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:53 am

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pepe1991 wrote:Let's put it this way. In order to be elite team, Magic need point guard. And that player is probably yet in highschool or at college or playing for another team. Most definitely isn't on current Magic roster.

I dunno. It takes a long time for PGs to develop. It's not a position determined by size and athleticism, as much as it is mental and fine motor skills... coordination, speed, ball handling.

What I do know is that our SG and SF are definitely not here.


I might add:
1. Our future younger winning head coach is not here yet;
2. Our reliable 3-pt specialist regardless of his floor position is not here as well;
3. Our future bold and modern-day up to the task Front Office ain't here

@ What we still have though, is same old Alex "Greasy" Martins, pretending to be passive, lurking in the shadows. And Fournier and Bamba to try and trade if anyone is interested at all.

A lot of work to do. I am not quite sure who gets to make the tough decisions in the near future for this Magic franchise. Sure as hell WeHam are not going to grow a pair all of a sudden.


In other words- Magic have nothing worth building around, witch is something i've repeated for last 2 years too many times to count.
Instad, fans get fixated on mediocre players such are Gordon; Isaac, Fultz , Anthony or talk themselfs into blind hype " Okeke would be top 5 pick , one article from 3 years ago said it", "Bamba is Gobert with 3 point shot", "Fultz shoulder is fine he will be deadly shooter" and other nonsensical crap they read on internet.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1083 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:30 am

The Magic has some valuable pieces that are fine and we can work with, but we lack more than we have currently. That's the truth.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1084 » by basketballRob » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:22 pm

Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Post#1085 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:12 pm

basketballRob wrote:Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Haliburton 12 ppg, 5 apg, 3,6 rpg 49% FG, 45,7% for 3 .
It's a travisty that such an elite prospect fall so much in a draft
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1086 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:15 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Haliburton 12 ppg, 5 apg, 3,6 rpg 49% FG, 45,7% for 3 .
It's a travisty that such an elite prospect fall so much in a draft


I would have liked a bit more travesty and had him fall to us.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1087 » by Bensational » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:29 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Haliburton 12 ppg, 5 apg, 3,6 rpg 49% FG, 45,7% for 3 .
It's a travisty that such an elite prospect fall so much in a draft


It's strange since a lot of punters and media outlets referred to him as the most ready and least likely to hurt a team. It was just his perceived lack of ceiling I guess? I think teams underrated the value of a quality glue guy who has a high ceiling in that regard even if not a lead playmaker. At pick 12 he's another late lottery steal for the books.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1088 » by Bensational » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:34 pm

I can't get over how much Cole reminds me of DJ in regards to his fit on the team. Cole looks for his own shot more often, and in differing ways, and whilst neither is a natural facilitator DJ had more experience and was much stronger there. Meanwhile Cole is a huge improvement defensively over DJ. But when the outside shot is falling for Cole, the impact is the same as DJ.

I much prefer Cole's brand of basketball, and I think it will mature well. I think he'll grow into a strong leader somewhat like Jameer. He's the lone bright spot for this season.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1089 » by basketballRob » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:50 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Haliburton 12 ppg, 5 apg, 3,6 rpg 49% FG, 45,7% for 3 .
It's a travisty that such an elite prospect fall so much in a draft
It's close enough that the 3 remaining games could decide it. Haliburton is averaging .5 more ppg.

We'll see how it goes tonight.

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1090 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:50 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Cole has 3 more games before he claims the rookie of the month. 38/37/75 11ppg.

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Haliburton 12 ppg, 5 apg, 3,6 rpg 49% FG, 45,7% for 3 .
It's a travisty that such an elite prospect fall so much in a draft


It's strange since a lot of punters and media outlets referred to him as the most ready and least likely to hurt a team. It was just his perceived lack of ceiling I guess? I think teams underrated the value of a quality glue guy who has a high ceiling in that regard even if not a lead playmaker. At pick 12 he's another late lottery steal for the books.


He has most awkward looking jumpshot in this draft, nothing makes sense, bad foot position, awkward hips position, puts ball in front of his eyes,wery strange palm on ball ... And yet, guy shoots like freaking top 10 shooter :crazy:
Strangest part about his shooting is that, if he gets ball off the screen, his jumpshoot looks nothing like jumpshot he uses when he is in stand-still catch&shoot. Mindf***

Once you get used to watch that jumpshot, and it ineed takes time to do so, he is everything Lonzo should have been, but is not. Great passer, elite defender and 3 point treat.

I don't really think he will ever be some 25+ ppg scorer, neither i would force him into traditional PG role, with so elite catch&shoot and advanced passing, yet good size, he should be very, very good SG/PG. Fox and Haliburton should be great fits.
Fox was my favorite prospect in 2017...
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1091 » by Skin » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:03 pm

Not surprised by Haliburton's early success. He was a high for, ready now type of player. Question for him will be whether he can surpass the critics saying he doesn't have star power. He was a high floor, medium ceiling guy.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1092 » by zaymon » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:32 pm

During last pod squad podcast Cole mentioned that Clifford told him to stop shooting those running floaters becouse they are awful looks.
It shows that Clifford is trying to hold players accountable. Sadly doesnt work on everybody.
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Post#1093 » by I Rasharted » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:42 pm

So how is Anthony?
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Post#1094 » by Skybox » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:05 pm

zaymon wrote:During last pod squad podcast Cole mentioned that Clifford told him to stop shooting those running floaters becouse they are awful looks.
It shows that Clifford is trying to hold players accountable. Sadly doesnt work on everybody.


I wonder how Cliff would have stifled TMac
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Post#1095 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:52 am

I Rasharted wrote:So how is Anthony?


Still bum
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Post#1096 » by tiderulz » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:16 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
I Rasharted wrote:So how is Anthony?


Still bum

what you mean is "still rookie". rookie with no real training camp and coming back from injury. any declaration on what this kid could be cant be taken seriously
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1097 » by pepe1991 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:42 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
I Rasharted wrote:So how is Anthony?


Still bum

what you mean is "still rookie". rookie with no real training camp and coming back from injury. any declaration on what this kid could be cant be taken seriously


Context.
Arrived at NCAA as top 3 prospect according to inflated, and kind a shady highschool stats, jumping schools and being groomed for nba since he was 14.
Played like complete crap at college. Gets hurt. Plays bit better after. Still very bad.

Draft rolls. Goes outside lottery, to Orlando Magic.

Not a single rookie had summer league , not that it really matters, as it's 2-5 games of playing against non nba talents working part time with nba coaches. Hardly anything to learn from. Tyus Jones, Glen Rice Jr and Josh Hart, 3 SL MVPs just prove how little value there is in it.
Short preseason. Short for everybody.

Gets some PT as backup. Looks like crap. Gets promoted to starter job because if incompetence of Weltman. 20 games in, still sucks.

Last time Cole Anthony was close to "good" compared to competition, he was in highschool ,2 and half years ago.

Even among rookies, he comes off as flat out bad

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

go look at yourself

I'm not even comparing him to nba starters, but rookies.
He he is 19 among 31 rookies that played by PER.
He is 28th among 31 rookies that played in efficiency.

Once again, take a look yourself

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORPe

Even if you remove everybody from rookies that are PGs from his class, he still comes off as well below many of them. It's no secret that Lamelo, Haliburton, Quickley flat out do more. Maxey had 1 phenomenal game even by nba allstars level and few solid ones.
Theo Maledon shoots higher percentage of 3s ( 37,7% ) than Cole overall... You can't even make those stuff up.

Payton Prichard is couple of light years ahead of him when it comes to actually running offense.

So who he actually outperformes ? Kilian Hayes ( hurt for weeks now , after 7 games), Kira Lewis ( buried in rotation behind Bledsoe, Hart, Lonzo), Tyler Terry and Flynn ( both buried in rotation and never play).

We can spin this up all day, it will always come off as same: We start him because we intentionally or unintientionally tanking. He is negative contributor for offense and defense and flat out disaster when he shoots.
He shoots 30% in situations where nobody is even near him, and they ( 18 of 22) make vast majority of 3s he made. So he provides no spacing whatsoever.

And when you put even more perspective to it, he is 6'1 shooter who is pretty damn awful at running offense ( not ready, or flat out untalented to do so, wasn't even able to run college simplistic offense). His ceiling becomes very, very narrow one. Pretty much we are grooming very bad version of DJ Augustin, one without advanced floor vision and jumpshot. So, basically, Ish Smith :dontknow:
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Post#1098 » by Magicfanatic82 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:59 pm

Cole will be fine when he is placed into a role of bench scorer. He is gaining valuable experience and mins that he otherwise would not get. He can figure out what works for him. Now we just need Chuma and Mo to get the same. Next year we hopefully add a high lotto pick, healthy Isaac and just maybe more vet shooting and climb again.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1099 » by tiderulz » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:38 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Still bum

what you mean is "still rookie". rookie with no real training camp and coming back from injury. any declaration on what this kid could be cant be taken seriously


Context.
Arrived at NCAA as top 3 prospect according to inflated, and kind a shady highschool stats, jumping schools and being groomed for nba since he was 14.
Played like complete crap at college. Gets hurt. Plays bit better after. Still very bad.

Draft rolls. Goes outside lottery, to Orlando Magic.

Not a single rookie had summer league , not that it really matters, as it's 2-5 games of playing against non nba talents working part time with nba coaches. Hardly anything to learn from. Tyus Jones, Glen Rice Jr and Josh Hart, 3 SL MVPs just prove how little value there is in it.
Short preseason. Short for everybody.

Gets some PT as backup. Looks like crap. Gets promoted to starter job because if incompetence of Weltman. 20 games in, still sucks.

Last time Cole Anthony was close to "good" compared to competition, he was in highschool ,2 and half years ago.

Even among rookies, he comes off as flat out bad

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

go look at yourself

I'm not even comparing him to nba starters, but rookies.
He he is 19 among 31 rookies that played by PER.
He is 28th among 31 rookies that played in efficiency.

Once again, take a look yourself

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/rookies/sort/VORPe

Even if you remove everybody from rookies that are PGs from his class, he still comes off as well below many of them. It's no secret that Lamelo, Haliburton, Quickley flat out do more. Maxey had 1 phenomenal game even by nba allstars level and few solid ones.
Theo Maledon shoots higher percentage of 3s ( 37,7% ) than Cole overall... You can't even make those stuff up.

Payton Prichard is couple of light years ahead of him when it comes to actually running offense.

So who he actually outperformes ? Kilian Hayes ( hurt for weeks now , after 7 games), Kira Lewis ( buried in rotation behind Bledsoe, Hart, Lonzo), Tyler Terry and Flynn ( both buried in rotation and never play).

We can spin this up all day, it will always come off as same: We start him because we intentionally or unintientionally tanking. He is negative contributor for offense and defense and flat out disaster when he shoots.
He shoots 30% in situations where nobody is even near him, and they ( 18 of 22) make vast majority of 3s he made. So he provides no spacing whatsoever.

And when you put even more perspective to it, he is 6'1 shooter who is pretty damn awful at running offense ( not ready, or flat out untalented to do so, wasn't even able to run college simplistic offense). His ceiling becomes very, very narrow one. Pretty much we are grooming very bad version of DJ Augustin, one without advanced floor vision and jumpshot. So, basically, Ish Smith :dontknow:

doesnt matter what # kid from high school he comes out as. a majority of that is based on athleticism and shooting.

He had injury, no real summer camp. big surprise a rookie with all that, looks bad on a bad team. yeah, he didnt earn starting job but forced be necessity, so what. not the first time nor the last time it will happen in the NBA

you go ahead and declare him a bum this early, just makes you look silly.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#1100 » by I Rasharted » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:24 pm

I'm too lazy and uninterested to look up a video of Anthony's in-game NBA action. Someone post it.
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