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Post#1 » by MagicHolland » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:33 pm

Hey guys,

I have this trade proposal that I think is pretty fair. I know this won't ever happen, but it's worth discussing anyways. I do like to say that I really like Hedo and this is not because of his recent struggles, but he's our biggest piece of value. I'd like to upgrade 3 positions and especially get Lewis back at his SF spot.

So here it goes!


Houston trades: Battier and 2008 lottery protected pick

Houston gets: Hedo Turkoglu




Seattle trades: Kurt Thomas, Earl Watson

Seattle gets: Redick, Arroyo (exp), Garrity (exp) and Houston's 2008 lottery protected pick




Orlando trades: Redick, Turkoglu, Arroyo and Garrity

Orlando gets: Thomas, Watson and Battier



Houston upgrades their roster with Hedo, who's a very good shooter, creates opportunities for teammates and for himself, has great size and I think he'll complement Yao very good. Houston does downgrade defensively.

Seattle basically get's rid of a big contract while getting a young SG in Redick and picking up a decent pick in 2008's draft.

Orlando gets some defense and gets a true PF to move Lewis back to his natural position SF. They do lose some creativity and scoring.


Seattle fans liked the deal. I think Houston would agree on it also. Now let's see what we'd have after this trade:

Nelson/Watson/Dooling
Battier/Bogans/Dooling
Lewis/Evans
Thomas/Augustine/Cook
Dwight/Foyle/Gortat

After this I'd like to move Dooling with our pick or the rights to Vasquez to add some scoring of the bench. I like Dooling don't get me wrong, but with Battier and Watson he has more trade value than playing value..
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Post#2 » by N4U|Redux » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:36 pm

How about Lewis for Tmac and Durant.

We get Tmac/Durant and Houston/Seattle goes to civil war for Lewis?
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Post#3 » by magicman123 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:39 pm

has battier ever really started at sg?
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Post#4 » by damo[23] » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:50 pm

magicman123 wrote:has battier ever really started at sg?


We'll he certainly can guard SG's especially the ones that would matter, infact he'd be on them even if he was a "Sf" and offense it really doesnt matter since he'd be on the perimeter for the 3 ball.
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Post#5 » by N4U|Redux » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:12 pm

I love Battier - how can anyone not?
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Post#6 » by MagicFan149 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:18 pm

is it just me or do we get worked over in this trade????
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Post#7 » by AdamTheGreek » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:34 pm

MagicFan149 wrote:is it just me or do we get worked over in this trade????


Co-signed.
There's nothing in there that would really make us better, maybe the same at best.
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Post#8 » by TNMagicFan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:40 pm

How does this trade NOT make us better ??? Getting a guy like Thomas to play a rebounding/defensive PF and a defensive ,3pt shooting Battier at the SG spot is exactly what we need IMO The only problem I have with the trade is Kurt's age . If we could somehow get Wilcox instead of Thomas that would be a helluva deal for us . That will never happen though
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Post#9 » by MagicFan149 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:50 pm

yeah but doesnt kurt have a bad contract... we already have battie and cook on longer contracts we dont need kurt thomas also.. at least not for what wed be givin up in this trade...
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Post#10 » by AdamTheGreek » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:03 pm

Kurt has a bad contract, is old, gets hurt too much, and really isn't consistent. I'd like Wilcox, but I'd also like LBJ, Kobe, Yao and Chris Paul but that's not happening.

Battier is a good defender but his shot is inconsistent at best and I'd rather keep our Mr. 4th quarter than get a guy that can play some good D.

Earl Watson would probably distribute better than any one of our current PGs, but again, not worth giving up Hedo, picks, Arroyo and JJ.
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Post#11 » by MagicFan149 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:17 pm

and even earl is just another undersized point guard... not exactly what we need......
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Post#12 » by TooNice00 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:17 pm

i watch houston a lot and we def don't want battier. don't let all that he is good defender, mr intangilbe, and does all the little things get to your head. its basically a cover up for him not really being good at anything especially scoring. he is just a good team defender(not a great man defender) and flopper.
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Post#13 » by TNMagicFan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:27 pm

MagicFan149 wrote:yeah but doesnt kurt have a bad contract... we already have battie and cook on longer contracts we dont need kurt thomas also.. at least not for what wed be givin up in this trade...


Kurt Thomas is an expiring contract ,and yes we do need his specific skill set on this team . The guy is a very good rebounder , shot blocker , and defender . How can you say we DONT need that ? His age is a problem for me as well , but he would be a great stop gap until we can get a long term solution at PF . As I said before , I would prefer Wilcox too
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Post#14 » by MagicFan149 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:41 pm

you are correct kurt thomas is expiring so basically its kurt and earl (getting paid more than jameer) for hedo then reddick arroyo garrity for battier on a long term contract that isnt really all that friendly

i dunno you are right thomas could be big for us but it just seems like wed be giving up too much... everyone on hear always values our expirings soo much and this doesnt exactly retrieve alot for them... and were giving up hedo on top of all this...
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Post#15 » by TNMagicFan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:54 pm

IMO this trade upgrades us PG and SG . Thomas would certainly give us what we need at PF this year . It would be great if we could get Wilcox instead of Thomas ,but that will never happen
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Post#16 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:08 pm

not a good trade battier sucks and i like thomas but he isnt worth hedo
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Post#17 » by leo6287 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:13 pm

Orlando Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, +7.3 rpg, and +1.5 apg.
Incoming Players

Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke
8.4 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.5 minutes

Mickael Gelabale 6-7 SF from France (Foreign)
2.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.4 minutes

Nick Collison 6-9 PF / C from Kansas
9.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 27.4 minutes

Earl Watson 6-1 PG from UCLA
8.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.1 apg in 27.6 minutes

Outgoing Players

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.5 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 18.8 minutes

Hedo Turkoglu 6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

2008 1st Round Pick Unprotected Pick


Why for Orlando: Battier , Collison , Watson Will help our PG SG PF spots giving up Hedo and our 1st will hurt but bring much needed toughness

line up

Howard/Foyle
Collison/Cook
Lewis/Evans/Gelabale
Battier/Bogans
Nelson/Watson

Houston Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +10.3 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

Incoming Players

Hedo Turkoglu 6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Outgoing Players

Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke
8.4 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.5 minutes

2008 Unprotected 1st

Why for Hou: Turkoglu who renites with Aldeman and gives Hou Player who can score in the 4th and is PlayMaker who can shoot the Lights Out

Seattle Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -8.0 ppg, -8.5 rpg, and -3.9 apg.

Incoming Players

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.5 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 18.8 minutes

Hou 1st Round Pick Unprotected

Orlando 1st Round Pick Unprotected

Outgoing Players

Mickael Gelabale 6-7 SF from France (Foreign)
2.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.4 minutes

Nick Collison 6-9 PF / C from Kansas
9.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 27.4 minutes

Earl Watson 6-1 PG from UCLA
8.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 6.1 apg in 27.6 minutes


Why for Sea: They get out of Watson contract $$ saving alot of money Get 2 Unprotected picks Both in the 15 to 25 Range .. Good value for Collison
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Post#18 » by EasternMagic » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:28 pm

no way man
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Post#19 » by magicfanejc42 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:39 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:Kurt has a bad contract, is old, gets hurt too much, and really isn't consistent. I'd like Wilcox, but I'd also like LBJ, Kobe, Yao and Chris Paul but that's not happening.

Battier is a good defender but his shot is inconsistent at best and I'd rather keep our Mr. 4th quarter than get a guy that can play some good D.

Earl Watson would probably distribute better than any one of our current PGs, but again, not worth giving up Hedo, picks, Arroyo and JJ.



Adam , I am not singling just you out, but, people do your homework... Kurt has a WONDERFUL contract. the dude is expiring and is 8 mil off the books...Seattle traded TWO 1st rounders for it...He's not going anywhere for what WE have to offer. That's number 1...

Battier is OVERRATED!! yes he's a good defender, but he is an inconsistent threat, and at SG we need a consistent athletic threat.. all we have are shooters, we need a slasher, someone to take it to the paint and dunk it, or make good entry passes while cutting to the lane, sort of like what jameer does passing wise when he takes it to the basket.

Watson, I like the guy, but he is on a bad contract, and is only better than Jameer by a little, but Jameer playing well, is a much better guard, IMO
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Post#20 » by laVal03 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:44 pm

Nick Collinson is playing great right now, without sending that pick and if we could somehow swap watson for ridnour I would do it in a heartbeat not likely tho

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