Impact Trades?

mttingly2391 · Post #1 » by **mttingly2391** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:13 pm

Before I start this thing off, I just want to say that I realize not every team in the league is making impact trades. In fact, if you take the Lake Show, Dallas, and the Suns, almost no team is making high impact trades. However, why can't the Magic be part of that group. It seems that the best teams are always looking to get better by taking huge step and the Magic front office just wants to take baby steps. I also realize that giving Rashard the contract this past offseason was a huge impact move, but its so obvious that we are still a few players away. Teams like the Suns, Mavs, and Lakers see an opportunity this year and they went after it with their big trades.

Do you guys see anything like this on the horizon for the magic? The last mid season impact trade I can think of for the Magic was the Good and Giricek trade. I'm only talking about trades that moved us up in the playoff standings not ones that just netted us some decent players.

Any thoughts on this?

KoolMikeSkii · Post #2 » by **KoolMikeSkii** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:08 am

I actually was thinking about this a couple days ago also. Dwight is durable but you have to assume eventually he will get hurt maybe not for 8 9 years but it happens to all big men and from looking at Jermaine Oneal (the only other HS big man to come out even though he didnt play right away). The reason i was thinking about this is because we have to try to win as soon as Dwight is ready to be dominant which i do think is like a year maybe 2 away. So do we go for it now since we are 3 in the east? or do we wait and save cap space for the time when Dwight is shining? if we wait to long and he gets hurt Amarie style we could be skrewed.

thepritz · Post #3 » by **thepritz** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:36 am

I wouldnt be surprised if we make a move before the deadline. However like you say, we could be a year or 2 away. Maybe Otis wants to see how this group performs in the playoffs to see what needs to be tweaked in the offseason.. we have several expirings and there are good FAs available this summer.

KoolMikeSkii · Post #4 » by **KoolMikeSkii** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:49 am

we wont be under the cap

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #5 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:54 am

mikegraphix wrote: looking at Jermaine Oneal (the only other HS big man to come out even though he didnt play right away).

What do you mean? If you mean enter the draft, you're not even close.

KoolMikeSkii · Post #6 » by **KoolMikeSkii** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:18 am

he was the only Big i could remember that went from HS to the pros and hes starting to where down at 29 and h didnt play the first couple seasons

magicfanejc42 · Post #7 » by **magicfanejc42** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:51 am

Kevin Garnett ring a bell?

MagicNolesFSU · Post #8 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:06 am

How do you not remember Kevin Garnett?

Cammo101 · Post #9 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:53 am

mikegraphix wrote:he was the only Big i could remember that went from HS to the pros and hes starting to where down at 29 and h didnt play the first couple seasons

Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Sagana Diop, Andrew Bynum, Kedrick Perkins, Robert Swift, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry. Missed a few.

To answer your question, the Magic can not make a big splash move for 2 reasons...

1) We do not have the young movable talent to get a deal done. We do not have a Devin Harris or a Javaris Crittenton. We have Hedo, Shard and Dwight all are untradable, everything else is role players. Blame the terrible drafting over the last 5 years ago for this.

2) The teams making huge splah moves are in win now mode. LA, Dallas, and Phoenix are grasping at a last chance to win with a core that is in it's prime and will not be in it very much longer. So these teams are willing to give up young talent for a shot at a title. Orlando is built more to be a title contender in 2 years or so. Adding a splash guy like Kidd would make us better, but not a title contender most likely. So we would be cutting our building by moving young talent, without the upside of winning a title (potentially). That is the text book deffanition of making a trade just for the sake of looking busy.

Stay the course and show some patience, this team will reward it in a couple years.

UKMagic · Post #10 » by **UKMagic** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:20 pm

Agree with the poor drafting comment. Also think it has a lot to do with a lack of ambition or just pure blindness. We coulda had Pau Gasol....I still say we could have offered a similar deal, even with bad drafts...

mttingly2391 · Post #11 » by **mttingly2391** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:10 pm

I don't think Crittenton or Harris are very exciting young players. Harris has a chance to be a pretty strong above average pg, and I think Jarvis could be too. But why can't we take a chance and trade someone like Nelson and some expiring so we can get a player. I don't want kid, but Artest, Gasol, those would be nice players to add (I know Gasol is gone, but I would have liked us to get him).

MagicFan149 · Post #12 » by **MagicFan149** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:13 pm

gasol wouldnt have gotten traded here... it wasnt gonna happen ... the grizz only let the lakers know that he was availible... be patient... otis is seriously trying to think about our future... if there is a trade that will make us better do you honestly think that otis wouldnt do it???

he might not be the greatest gm but hes no zeke... if theres something out there and can help us it will happen

MJallday59 · Post #13 » by **MJallday59** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:03 pm

Rashards almost 30 yrs old

Same for Turk.....

The future was yesterday...

MagicFan149 · Post #14 » by **MagicFan149** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:06 pm

yeah dwight is over the hill too

KoolMikeSkii · Post #15 » by **KoolMikeSkii** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:18 pm

haha i forgot KG but hes not a typical BIG hes more like a 7ft SF aaand hes starting to get hurt

OrlandoMagic · Post #16 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:28 pm

i really want jarret jack

Cammo101 · Post #17 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:34 pm

UKMagic wrote:Agree with the poor drafting comment. Also think it has a lot to do with a lack of ambition or just pure blindness. We coulda had Pau Gasol....I still say we could have offered a similar deal, even with bad drafts...

Not only did Memphis not talk to any team but LA about Gasol, but we do not have the young player like Crittenton to put in a Gasol trade, so what exactly is this Gasol deal we could have made, because people keep saying it but I don't see it.

MagicFan149 · Post #18 » by **MagicFan149** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:38 pm

mttingly2391 · Post #19 » by **mttingly2391** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:27 pm

Dude I'm not saying that we could have gotten Gasol, I'm just using that trade as an example. And I am sick of being patient with Otis. I honestly think he doesn't know what he is doing.

Plus Rashar and Hedo are not "really" close to 30. But they are about to enter those prime years in the NBA. I really think we need to go after the players that will put us near the top right away. If not now, then this summer for sure.

Cammo101 · Post #20 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:32 pm

mttingly2391 wrote:Dude I'm not saying that we could have gotten Gasol, I'm just using that trade as an example. And I am sick of being patient with Otis. I honestly think he doesn't know what he is doing.

Plus Rashar and Hedo are not "really" close to 30. But they are about to enter those prime years in the NBA. I really think we need to go after the players that will put us near the top right away. If not now, then this summer for sure.

You need to understand that we do not have the pieces to make a big splash trade, so you are going to have to be patient. Otis has this team moving in the right direction. Period. I'm sure he is sad that you have too short an attention span to realize that, but Rome was not built over a lunch break.