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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#81 » by Stanford » Tue Jun 4, 2024 7:02 pm

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Mik317 wrote:Ingram and others like Jimmy will probably have to be a 3 way with a team blowing it up or in a rebuild like the Hawks (using Trae) or the Hornets (using LaMelo)... for Jimmy I thought the best first would have been the Cavs in a Mitchell deal but my guess is that he resigns and Garland goes out to which they'd want to get Jimmy or Ingram in said scenario.


LaMelo is a name I'd be very interested in.


Hell yeah. Would basically make up for missing out on Haliburton.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#82 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 4, 2024 7:53 pm

LaMelo radiates enormous loser energy from a player. I'd be very afraid of taking him on.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#83 » by youngcrev » Tue Jun 4, 2024 8:10 pm

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Could follow this up with a trade for Mikal Bridges? IDK. We'll see what drops out as Morey goes around shaking trees.


Just not sure why you'd want those players on those salaries.


Two starter-ish players on sub 20M salaries? Exactly what you're looking for as far as depth and future tradable pieces go. We're already back to thinking about if we can get paid to take LaVine as it is. :lol:

There's nothing to be optimistic about until there is.


I think the Kings would have to pay to get off those salaries for pure cap space. You'd be better of re-signing Tobias and Buddy for the same money, and I'm certainly not advocating for that. They're better versions of those 2 guys though.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#84 » by the_process » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:30 pm

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Mik317 wrote:Ingram and others like Jimmy will probably have to be a 3 way with a team blowing it up or in a rebuild like the Hawks (using Trae) or the Hornets (using LaMelo)... for Jimmy I thought the best first would have been the Cavs in a Mitchell deal but my guess is that he resigns and Garland goes out to which they'd want to get Jimmy or Ingram in said scenario.


LaMelo is a name I'd be very interested in.


Hell yeah. Would basically make up for missing out on Haliburton.


That didn't happen, according to Daryl :lol:
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#85 » by mjkvol » Tue Jun 4, 2024 9:58 pm

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Just not sure why you'd want those players on those salaries.


Two starter-ish players on sub 20M salaries? Exactly what you're looking for as far as depth and future tradable pieces go. We're already back to thinking about if we can get paid to take LaVine as it is. :lol:

There's nothing to be optimistic about until there is.


I think the Kings would have to pay to get off those salaries for pure cap space. You'd be better of re-signing Tobias and Buddy for the same money, and I'm certainly not advocating for that. They're better versions of those 2 guys though.


I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't a better version of anyone. I'll admit to not being able to be completely rational about him at this point, but whenever I hear that kind of comment expressed it just doesn't seem even possible.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#86 » by the_process » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:13 pm

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Just not sure why you'd want those players on those salaries.


Two starter-ish players on sub 20M salaries? Exactly what you're looking for as far as depth and future tradable pieces go. We're already back to thinking about if we can get paid to take LaVine as it is. :lol:

There's nothing to be optimistic about until there is.


I think the Kings would have to pay to get off those salaries for pure cap space. You'd be better of re-signing Tobias and Buddy for the same money, and I'm certainly not advocating for that. They're better versions of those 2 guys though.


Disagree that Tobias and Hield are the better versions. No desire to relitigate just how bad Tobias is despite whatever statistical evidence there may be to the contrary.

Barnes and Huerter are obviously nothing special, but they're playable in the playoffs. I don't think they're negative value. But if whatever 3rd team wants to chip in something to dump them after dealing with Sacto, all the better.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#87 » by the_process » Tue Jun 4, 2024 10:17 pm

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Two starter-ish players on sub 20M salaries? Exactly what you're looking for as far as depth and future tradable pieces go. We're already back to thinking about if we can get paid to take LaVine as it is. :lol:

There's nothing to be optimistic about until there is.


I think the Kings would have to pay to get off those salaries for pure cap space. You'd be better of re-signing Tobias and Buddy for the same money, and I'm certainly not advocating for that. They're better versions of those 2 guys though.


I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't a better version of anyone. I'll admit to not being able to be completely rational about him at this point, but whenever I hear that kind of comment expressed it just doesn't seem even possible.


Sometimes stats do not tell the whole story.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#88 » by Stanford » Wed Jun 5, 2024 12:27 am

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LaMelo is a name I'd be very interested in.


Hell yeah. Would basically make up for missing out on Haliburton.


That didn't happen, according to Daryl :lol:


I actually believe him.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#89 » by youngcrev » Wed Jun 5, 2024 12:47 am

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mjkvol wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
I think the Kings would have to pay to get off those salaries for pure cap space. You'd be better of re-signing Tobias and Buddy for the same money, and I'm certainly not advocating for that. They're better versions of those 2 guys though.


I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't a better version of anyone. I'll admit to not being able to be completely rational about him at this point, but whenever I hear that kind of comment expressed it just doesn't seem even possible.


Sometimes stats do not tell the whole story.


Just because Tobias stinks doesn't mean that other players don't. Barnes has like the same exact game, but with less on ball juice.

Huerter is a worse shooter than Buddy and has been a bigger target on the defensive end.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#90 » by Eyeamok » Wed Jun 5, 2024 2:21 am

youngcrev wrote:
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I'm sorry, but Tobias isn't a better version of anyone. I'll admit to not being able to be completely rational about him at this point, but whenever I hear that kind of comment expressed it just doesn't seem even possible.


Sometimes stats do not tell the whole story.


Just because Tobias stinks doesn't mean that other players don't. Barnes has like the same exact game, but with less on ball juice.

Huerter is a worse shooter than Buddy and has been a bigger target on the defensive end.


Next season I have to watch more than just 76ers games, because that is so hard to believe. I believe you but wow.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#91 » by the_process » Wed Jun 5, 2024 2:48 am

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youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
Sometimes stats do not tell the whole story.


Just because Tobias stinks doesn't mean that other players don't. Barnes has like the same exact game, but with less on ball juice.

Huerter is a worse shooter than Buddy and has been a bigger target on the defensive end.


Next season I have to watch more than just 76ers games, because that is so hard to believe. I believe you but wow.


Barnes is a willing catch and shoot guy and doesn't require plays to be run for him.

Huerter is taller and longer than Hield. Therefore has more theoretical use. We saw the theoretical applied in the 2nd round in 2021. Huerter played pretty well all around in that series.

They also both play on a wonky team that wants to be DEN but is pretty poor all around defensively and seems to focus too much on beating GSW.

No one is saying these two are world beaters or anything. They're both overpaid, or they wouldn't be available. But they are solid rotation guys who have value to an NBA team.

Tobias might not. With the change of management in DET, Tobi might be down to praying for an S&T to BKN or WSH. And Hield's value is solely knocking down a ton of threes, which happened very sporadically here.
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Re: Offseason Plan B: Sell the cap for assets? 

Post#92 » by youngcrev » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:57 am

the_process wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
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Just because Tobias stinks doesn't mean that other players don't. Barnes has like the same exact game, but with less on ball juice.

Huerter is a worse shooter than Buddy and has been a bigger target on the defensive end.


Next season I have to watch more than just 76ers games, because that is so hard to believe. I believe you but wow.


Barnes is a willing catch and shoot guy and doesn't require plays to be run for him.

Huerter is taller and longer than Hield. Therefore has more theoretical use. We saw the theoretical applied in the 2nd round in 2021. Huerter played pretty well all around in that series.

They also both play on a wonky team that wants to be DEN but is pretty poor all around defensively and seems to focus too much on beating GSW.

No one is saying these two are world beaters or anything. They're both overpaid, or they wouldn't be available. But they are solid rotation guys who have value to an NBA team.

Tobias might not. With the change of management in DET, Tobi might be down to praying for an S&T to BKN or WSH. And Hield's value is solely knocking down a ton of threes, which happened very sporadically here.


Before Hield got here I think most of us thought he would have been far more useful than he was. Hell, maybe he would be with some time to play off of Embiid.

Our view of Huerter is shaded by a big game 7 in a series 3 years ago, where he was able to get where he wanted against Seth Curry and jus shoot over him. Most playoff teams don't have a guy as exploitable as Curry (and remember, he's the guy we strategically chose to hide Curry on and leave one-on-one). And most playoff teams do have a on ball threat that will target weak defender, which that Sixer team did not.

Go look at the rest of his playoff stats though. Or search "Huerter defense" to find Kings fans roasting him for how bad he is on that end.

Regardless, it's not so much that individually I find the idea of taking on either of those guys as that terrible. It's the idea that we'd blow the majority of our cap space on them.

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