Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[GutUNC]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

You either think he's an asset or you don't. You don't get to claim he sucks and then get him at a price where he actually does. Other teams exist.

[NBA Moses]

There is a huge disconnect I'm seeing here, which is people expecting a return for Simmons that can take us to the next level and make us a championship contender. The problem is that Simmons is not that good to command that kind of return, now add to that the fact that he is a primadonna with insane baggage, can't dunk to save his life, and can't shoot to save his life. Why would the other team trade a star for him?

Ben was ranked anywhere from #16-#25 Best player in the nba by all major publications heading into the 20-21 season. Yes he had a regrettable stretch in the Hawks playoff series but he was also a big part of the Sixers being the Top seed in the Eastern Conference.

Of all the 25 + under guys his Win Share Rating is among the best of everyone, slightly better than Embiid. It wasnt a coincidence that the Sixers went from a 28 Win team to a 52 Win team Bens first year of playing . Bens positive intangibles far outweigh his liabilities.

If Ben/Klutch dont strong arm Morey the Sixers are probably 19-7 instead of 14-12. Simmons+ Embiid .675 winning percentage together. Embiid without Simmons? Meh and thats what Im selling if Im Morey.

[Kobblehead]

win shares aren't a real thing. You know who is leading the 2016 draft in win shares per 48? Yahcob Purtle.

[Kobblehead]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2016.html

sort by winshares per 48

It's just a plus minus stat that favors tall guys who get rebounds. Half of the dudes leading the draft in winshares are bigmen that are no longer even in the NBA.

[NBA Moses]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

1 of 2 things is going to happen.

1. You're going to eat crow. Morey gets a package he perceives as fair value

OR

2. Ben Simmons is going to sit for the next 4 years.

Theres not going to be any trade where Morey/Sixers lose their shirt imo. This fiasco is personal.

[GWPhilly34]

Pels wanna tank now that Zion is out. Trade Ingram rest Simmons mentally for the year… high pick plus those two back next year makes a lot of sense for them.

[FireMorey]

Can knock your heads against the wall to come up with a good name. One better than Kyrie for the Sixers doesn't exist.

I know people soured on him because of his vaccine stances or whatever, but he's an elite ball handler, scorer, and shot creator. You aren't going to get anyone with his skill package for Simmons.

And if worst comes to worst and he gets COVID, just send him to Dr. Rogan in Austin to get him healed up quick.

[NBA Moses]

This ship has probably sailed with Golden State looking like maybe the best team in nba but Id put together a package around Ben for Jordan Poole + Andrew Wiggins.

GS has Klay coming back which may cut into Poole/Wiggins minutes minutes . Ben feeding Steph/Klay is scary, add his defense? Thats a potential nightmare for the nba.

[spikeslovechild]

Are you serious, no way Raptors sending out Fred

Raptor fans are known to be the most delusional fans on realgm. That is just a fact. FVV is an untouchable? Lol.

If you don't want Simmons just say so.

[Dude-niagara]

Either Siakam or Fred but not both

[Dude-niagara]

If you want to know the truth

...don't ask a Tampa fan?

When was your last Chip again, oh right the Raptors were not even in the league and I was 76ers DR J fan. When a chip before you open your mouth. Like you get rid of Butler to sign Harris to a max, nice move

[Skates]

FVV is a nice player, but we really don't need another small guard that other teams can target in the playoffs. There is also not a salary match between Siakam plus FVV for Simmons. FVV and OG were a proposed deal/rumor months ago and works salary wise. Siakam would be a nice get for Simmons, though not sure of his fit unless we move Tobias too.

[Stanford]

When was your last Chip again

I'm Canadian so I get credit for as many capital-c chips as you do:

None.

[Black Mage]

If you want to know the truth Siakam & Flynn is too much for Simmons based on his playoff performance and off the court behaviour. You most likely will end up with Randle or John Wall.

Hop in a barrel and go for a ride Mr. Niagara.

[Black Mage]

Can knock your heads against the wall to come up with a good name. One better than Kyrie for the Sixers doesn't exist.

I know people soured on him because of his vaccine stances or whatever, but he's an elite ball handler, scorer, and shot creator. You aren't going to get anyone with his skill package for Simmons.

And if worst comes to worst and he gets COVID, just send him to Dr. Rogan in Austin to get him healed up quick.

Kyrie has now missed a half season in back to back years because of personal reasons not related to an injury. Dude is damaged goods and not worth it.

[GutUNC]

There is a huge disconnect I'm seeing here, which is people expecting a return for Simmons that can take us to the next level and make us a championship contender. The problem is that Simmons is not that good to command that kind of return, now add to that the fact that he is a primadonna with insane baggage, can't dunk to save his life, and can't shoot to save his life. Why would the other team trade a star for him?

For Christ sake, do you have a post other then this one?

[PhillyFan11]

Would this lineup compete in the east?

Maxey
McCollumn
Levert
Tobi
Jo

Curry
Drummond
Niang
Kork
Shake
Hopefully make a trade/buyout signing of a 3/D SF to be 8th man

3 team trade where Portland gets Sabonis and Tyese for McCollumn, Ben goes to Indiana and we get Levert, McCollumn and maybe a Indy 1st

[mjkvol]

There is a huge disconnect I'm seeing here, which is people expecting a return for Simmons that can take us to the next level and make us a championship contender. The problem is that Simmons is not that good to command that kind of return, now add to that the fact that he is a primadonna with insane baggage, can't dunk to save his life, and can't shoot to save his life. Why would the other team trade a star for him?

For Christ sake, do you have a post other then this one?

Hey, at least this one didn't need a translator. Baby steps.

[brannigan73]

They dont need a star to compete in the east. One quality player would do it if it was the right guy. They are better then they are playing right now. Not a good as the pre covid team was but they are better then they are at the moment. If they could bring in one legitimate NBA starter they would be 3 or 4th in the east by the end of the year. Doesnt have to be a star just a legitimate starting player.

[GutUNC]

Would this lineup compete in the east?

Maxey
McCollumn
Levert
Tobi
Jo

"Compete" as in have a chance to play in the 2nd round? Sure. "Compete" with Brooklyn/Milwaukee? Hell no.