2025 NBA Draft (2)

eyeatoma · Post #1541 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:03 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Just take Queen.

A big who can't defend, just what we need!

Negrodamus · Post #1542 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:04 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Sure but then you have that discussion at pick 6 or 8 not at pick 3.

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With all due respect, I don't think you, or I, can speak with 100% conviction that Ace, VJ, Tre, Kon will be better than Queen just because a bunch of mock drafts tell you so.
Queen might be better still might not be good enough. He's not some towering center. He's 6'10.

Again if we draft a center the writing is on the wall and Jo will be traded on draft day or by the deadline. As much as I think he's likely done, that will be a sad ending to this chapter, and I hope it doesn't happen.

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This implies that Ace, Tre, VJ, Kon are "good enough" and I just don't see it; or at least I don't see the major gap between those guys and Queen.

the_process · Post #1543 » by **the_process** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:12 pm

We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

Negrodamus · Post #1544 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:15 pm

Black Mage wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Would be cool to see which top prospects were best during crunch time: game winners, game tie-ers, buckets/percentages under 2 minutes in close games, etc.

Hoop-Explorer lets you funnel on/off for "stretch" final 8 mins. Best I could find. Ignore the on/off and you can compare shooting stats. I won't ruin the Ace numbers for you

Maybe I pressed the wrong filter but his numbers don't really look that good?

Arsenal · Post #1545 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:31 pm

Kon will be a role player like his fellow Dukie Luke Kennard.

Very similar prospects in terms of numbers and physical profile.

eyeatoma · Post #1546 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:37 pm

the_process wrote:We've had a player very similar to Queen on this team before.

It was awful.

Never again.

Kon sucking at mid rangers and admitting it isn't great, either. Everyone will close out on him super hard and chase him off the line. Will require lots of screens and shooting off movement to compensate.

The Sixers are excellent at setting screens, amirite?

I assume you're referring to Ja?

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1547 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:47 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Just take Queen.

A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

Sixersftw · Post #1548 » by **Sixersftw** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:51 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Just take Queen.

A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

The Jazz bassist?

Arsenal · Post #1549 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:01 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Just take Queen.

A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

Wayman Tisdale in college was a chiseled super athlete compared to Derik Queen!

eyeatoma · Post #1550 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:09 pm

Arsenal wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

Wayman Tisdale in college was a chiseled super athlete compared to Derik Queen!

This has Okafor written all over it.

Arsenal · Post #1551 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:10 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

Wayman Tisdale in college was a chiseled super athlete compared to Derik Queen!

This has Okafor written all over it.

Queen can roll outta bed get ya 20 and 10 (or 7)!

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1552 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:18 pm

Sixersftw wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
A big who can't defend, just what we need!

You play him at power forward and guess what? Boom! We're gonna have the next Wayman Tisdale!

The Jazz bassist?

Hey man, Wayman can play!

eyeatoma · Post #1553 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:19 pm

Arsenal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Wayman Tisdale in college was a chiseled super athlete compared to Derik Queen!

This has Okafor written all over it.

Queen can roll outta bed get ya 20 and 10 (or 7)!

So could Ja first two years in the league sans the assists.

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Negrodamus · Post #1554 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:20 pm

Okafor and Queen really don't play anything alike, so I don't really understand the comparison.

Black Mage · Post #1555 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:51 pm

Spoiler:

Maybe I pressed the wrong filter but his numbers don't really look that good?

Hope these links work:

Ace - Final 8 minutes as a Filter - the A lineup is the final 8; the B lineup is Ace baseline including final 8

https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=&onQuery=&onQueryFilters=Stretch&team=Rutgers&year=2024%2F25&

Ace - Final 8 excluding garbage - B lineup is Ace before final 8 excluding garbage

https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=true&baseQuery=&filterGarbage=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=&onQuery=&onQueryFilters=Stretch&team=Rutgers&year=2024%2F25&

Ace - Final 8 excluding garbage against Top 50

https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=true&baseQuery=&filterGarbage=true&gender=Men&maxRank=50&minRank=0&offQuery=&onQuery=&onQueryFilters=Stretch&team=Rutgers&year=2024%2F25&

Things of interest - in the final 8 minutes Ace's rebound rate increased, turnover rate decreased, free throw rate increased and shooting percentages increased, especially from 3.

The rebounds, assists and free throw all held true when you adjusted for Top 50 talent; however, his midrange dropped significantly while his 3pt shooting remained in the near-elite range.

Black Mage · Post #1556 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:12 pm

zaz102 · Post #1557 » by **zaz102** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:19 pm

Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

Negrodamus · Post #1558 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:23 pm

zaz102 wrote:Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

If Queen is PF, then he’s pretty decently sized with a very good standing reach for PF.

eyeatoma · Post #1559 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:23 pm

zaz102 wrote:Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

I'm thinking the pick will either be Ace or Tre. As much as I like VJ, the height is an issue, and having to learn to be a better shooter, with a more diverse bag will be annoying. Tre could be a 20 ppg scorer right from the get go, not that he would need to on this team, but the scoring is elite. In my mind atleast offensively, he's a 25 ppg scorer in the making, so offensively elite. I really care about D, but also look at teams like Indiana, who's star guard is horrible on defense. Maxey improved a ton, and if we can figure out the front court in a few years, I'd prefer to have elite guards. Still like Ace but would be happy with Tre.

Teams which are good that have **** defense from their guards:

Pacers
Knicks
Clippers
Lakers
Denver
Warriors

Lot of these teams were on the cusp of being better in the playoffs, and clearly OKC has good defense from the guard position, which could show that that is the position to be good at, but we have so many wholes I'd prefer a sure thing offensively. Tre is the surest thing as a scorer in the draft. No questions. With Ace, you have theoretical offense with good D. With VJ athletic defense with passable offense. Kon is just a shooter, and personally admitted to not wanting to score inside or in the midrange.

eyeatoma · Post #1560 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:38 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Who are some players tall for their position andbat least moderately athletic that suck at defense?

Tre sucks on D, but I feel like there's a good chance he ends up fine on D. Any D comps (negative) in the NBA?

If Queen is PF, then he’s pretty decently sized with a very good standing reach for PF.

Do you think Queen will be a better scorer than Tre? Fears? Ace?

If so great, still doesn't make up for being unathletic and not a good defender.