Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[phifans]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I will just kick Toronto out and take the LAC offer.

Don't think that offer has been made though or the deal should has been done already.

[Ben]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

[ProcessDoctor]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

True, I doubt it's there but we can dream. Like you're saying, if we can get to a point where it's Harden/Tucker/Korkmaz for Mann/Powell/Covington/Batum I'll be content.


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Powell/Mann/Springer
Harris/Batum/House
Covington/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell


Pretty awesome 10-man rotation on paper. Morey would probably want at least one pick to top it off since we're sending out the star lol. I think if we renounce Harris + a few of the role players we'd still have a max slot next year too.

[Iverson Armband]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

True, I doubt it's there but we can dream. Like you're saying, if we can get to a point where it's Harden/Tucker/Korkmaz for Mann/Powell/Covington/Batum I'll be content.


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Powell/Mann/Springer
Harris/Batum/House
Covington/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell


Pretty awesome 10-man rotation on paper. Morey would probably want at least one pick to top it off since we're sending out the star lol. I think if we renounce Harris + a few of the role players we'd still have a max slot next year too.

I’d like Mann starting next to Maxey in this scenario

[the_process]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

Glutton for punishment, eh?

[76ciology]

Been saying it for weeks. Please turn Harden into Pascal! Then turn Tobias into role players.

I know he occupies the post too, but he can facilitate and create offense in the playoffs unlike Joel. Maxey is still an unknown in that regard and anything he adds is a bonus.

For sure. But how does he fit with our depth at the PF/C position? Unless we involve Reed for a trade?

[rocketsfan100]

If I put the over/under for a Harden trade at August 11th are you taking the over or under?

Interesting I think he gets traded by late July or probably around 11 of august . I don’t see this dragging into September ..

[hookshot199]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

I agree. The Clippers aren't going to give two firsts; maybe a first and two seconds (which they have). Whether Morey will accept that is another thing.

Then the next issues in my opinion are (in this order):

1) Does Nurse want Powell, keeping in mind that Powell has three years on his contract?

2) Does Nurse want to give Kork a shot?

My personal preference in a Clippers trade would be to take back Mann, Morris and Covington, perhaps Bones Hyland, if the objective is to free up cap space for 2023/2024. If the objective is to shore up our bench: Mann, Morris and Powell. Then some mix of picks for both.

I don't know whether Morey plans to trade Harden.

[sixers hoops]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

I agree. The Clippers aren't going to give two firsts; maybe a first and two seconds (which they have). Whether Morey will accept that is another thing.

Then the next issues in my opinion are (in this order):

1) Does Nurse want Powell, keeping in mind that Powell has three years on his contract?

2) Does Nurse want to give Kork a shot?

My personal preference in a Clippers trade would be to take back Mann, Morris and Covington, perhaps Bones Hyland, if the objective is to free up cap space for 2023/2024. If the objective is to shore up our bench: Mann, Morris and Powell. Then some mix of picks for both.

I don't know whether Morey plans to trade Harden.

My guess is the Sixers won’t want Powell’s contract. They are already in a little bit of a cap crunch so that deal seems unattractive to them. I think they have no significant interest in Cov and Morris, other than fillers in a deal. Mann is a huge downgrade from Harden. I don’t see second round picks moving the needle very much.

Do I see Morey sending Harden to the Clips for Mann, who is guaranteed $11.4 million next year and one first? Seems highly unlikely. With the Clippers, you really have to do some mental gymnastics to make a deal seem interesting. Sending Harden there makes our team worse this year, and our cap worse for next year. I don’t see that happening for one first.

I think they would let Harden sit out before taking back a deal like that.

[Zumramania]

Convoluted attempt at a Siakam-Harden trade...


LAC out: Mann, Covington, Powell, Batum, 2028 1st, 2030 1st
LAC in: Harden, Tucker

PHI out: Harden, Harris, Tucker, 2029 1st
PHI in: Siakam, Powell, Covington, Porter, Batum

TOR out: Siakam, Porter
TOR in: Harris, Mann, 2028 LAC 1st, 2029 PHI 1st, 2030 LAC 1st


Dealbreaker for LAC/TOR would probably be the 2030 LAC 1st. OTOH is Siakam three 1sts better than Harris/Mann?


Maxey/Springer/Beverley
Powell/Batum/Korkmaz
Covington/Porter/House
Siakam/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

Sounds great, but Tobias is not a wing. We need a wing that can shoot 3s relentlessly, rebound a bit and defend decently and this lineup would destroy other teams.

[Stanford]

Pistons are paying Isaiah Stewart 40 million dollars more than we're paying BBall and people still think Morey got OWNED by Ainge.

[fkd215]

You guys continue to hang on every word from these three cable hacks when there is really only one legitimate prominent insider. And we all know who that is.

I assume you're talking about Vin Fosh. His level of Vinsider knowledge is truly Vinspiring.

[hookshot199]

I don't think that LAC has any intention of sending out that kind of haul for Harden. Could be wrong, but I doubt that that's on the table.

With Reed being retained, I'm not so interested in Siakam unless there were no other return available for Harden.
I see some Paul Millsap in Reed, keeping in mind that Millsap didn't start shooting 3-pointers with any volume until he was 28. Reed seems better on defense, certainly more of a rim protector; Millsap might have had better offensive moves at a similar point in his career. Both very good rebounders, maybe an edge to Reed. I'd really like to see him be given the shot that Millsap got right from his first year (age 21).

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

If Harden has to be traded and LAC is the partner, I'd want wings in return: Powell, Mann, one of RoCo or Batum and hopefully at least one draft pick. Keep Tobi; he's better on-court than the other guys listed and I want to see if he'll re-sign for a reasonable deal.

Maxey/ Melton/ PatBev
Powell/ Mann/ Springer/ Melton/ Kork
Tobi/ Batum or RoCo/ House Jr/ Kork
Reed/ Tobi/ Batum or RoCo
Biid/ Bamba/ Harrell

I agree. The Clippers aren't going to give two firsts; maybe a first and two seconds (which they have). Whether Morey will accept that is another thing.

Then the next issues in my opinion are (in this order):

1) Does Nurse want Powell, keeping in mind that Powell has three years on his contract?

2) Does Nurse want to give Kork a shot?

My personal preference in a Clippers trade would be to take back Mann, Morris and Covington, perhaps Bones Hyland, if the objective is to free up cap space for 2023/2024. If the objective is to shore up our bench: Mann, Morris and Powell. Then some mix of picks for both.

I don't know whether Morey plans to trade Harden.

My guess is the Sixers won’t want Powell’s contract. They are already in a little bit of a cap crunch so that deal seems unattractive to them. I think they have no significant interest in Cov and Morris, other than fillers in a deal. Mann is a huge downgrade from Harden. I don’t see second round picks moving the needle very much.

Do I see Morey sending Harden to the Clips for Mann, who is guaranteed $11.4 million next year and one first? Seems highly unlikely. With the Clippers, you really have to do some mental gymnastics to make a deal seem interesting. Sending Harden there makes our team worse this year, and our cap worse for next year. I don’t see that happening for one first.

I think they would let Harden sit out before taking back a deal like that.

I can't dispute what you're saying. The only thing I'm suggesting is that we're not going to get fair value for Harden in any trade - assuming Morey plans to trade him and assuming Harden won't play for the Sixers this season. In which case: We've lost two or three bench players. We lost a couple of picks (not high valued) in acquiring Harden. And he's off the books next season.

I'm not lobbying for any particular trade, but: Morris, Cov and Mann come to $39 mil. Of that, $28 mil (roughly) is off the books next season. Mann is a useful rotation player. Are we better off adding those three - Powell is more problematic because he's under contract for three years - and getting a pick - or hopefully two - or having Harden sit out for the season?

Whoever we trade Harden to is getting a one-year rental. They're getting a player who's still got a lot of skills but is no longer a star, at least in playoff ball.

My view - and we have no idea what Morey and Harden have discussed, but assuming Harden really wants out - let's add to our bench for one year - and then have $20 mil of Harden's $35 mil opening up for a free agent. Plus all or part of Tobias's $39 mil.

[Ferry Avenue]

If Harden will agree to play hard I would go with a starting lineup of
Maxey
Harden
Tobi
Reed
Biid

That's precisely why Harden shouldn't be on the team.

If you have to get a player to "agree" to play hard -- and I think that's an accurate appraisal in Harden's case -- then it's proof positive he is not internally driven. Rather he's driven by surrounding variables, and those can change for the worse at any time, right along with his drive and will to win.

The key players on your team must be internally driven, whose passion to play the game at the highest level they're capable of and win never changes, regardless of changes in surrounding variables.

You let the key players on this team continue to be a Harden who has to "agree" to play hard and a Joel Embiid who hasn't developed emotionally any further than where he is now, and you'll get the same second-round exit you always get with this team. They simply won't have the drive to overcome the competition at that level, as usual.

[Negrodamus]

Pistons are paying Isaiah Stewart 40 million dollars more than we're paying BBall and people still think Morey got OWNED by Ainge.

To be fair, there's a reason the Pistons eternally suck ass.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Well...Reed is better than Stewart, or at least he eventually will be. I personally think we got a steal with Reed at that price. Give this guy some starter minutes and those numbers will look like a steal.

[ProcessDoctor]

Pistons are paying Isaiah Stewart 40 million dollars more than we're paying BBall and people still think Morey got OWNED by Ainge.

To be fair, there's a reason the Pistons eternally suck ass.

Dude is worth no more than the MLE. Terrible franchise.

[Stanford]

It's amazing. Ainge HOODWINKED Morey into giving Paul Reed a 3 year deal at his market value. Incredible work, Danny. You really put the screws to the city of Philadelphia.

[PhillyNj]

It's amazing. Ainge HOODWINKED Morey into giving Paul Reed a 3 year deal at his market value. Incredible work, Danny. You really put the screws to the city of Philadelphia.

Paul Reed is easily worth 7.7 mil/year. Don’t find fault where there isn’t any.

[Stanford]

It's amazing. Ainge HOODWINKED Morey into giving Paul Reed a 3 year deal at his market value. Incredible work, Danny. You really put the screws to the city of Philadelphia.

Paul Reed is easily worth 7.7 mil/year. Don’t find fault where there isn’t any.

Oh ok