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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#181 » by cksdayoff » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:29 am

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cksdayoff wrote:we're probably not getting fultz. the guy is gonna put up huge numbers all season long because he handles the ball and his front court is ass.


Why won't we get him? We will most likely have one of the top 3 highest odds of getting him. If anything we probably have the best odds of anyone since Sacramento will improve our odds.


because i am pessimistic, and it might take getting the #1 pick to draft him.
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Post#182 » by Ericb5 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:37 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:we're probably not getting fultz. the guy is gonna put up huge numbers all season long because he handles the ball and his front court is ass.


Why won't we get him? We will most likely have one of the top 3 highest odds of getting him. If anything we probably have the best odds of anyone since Sacramento will improve our odds.


because i am pessimistic, and it might take getting the #1 pick to draft him.


It's early, and he could go anywhere in the top 3 or 4 at this point.

Smith has started slowly, but is going to be great at NC State, and Giles and Tatum haven't even played yet. Jackson could go number 1 too.


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Post#183 » by Foshan » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:01 am

So i just hope all the folks that want us to get Fultz are not the ones complaining about us being bad. Because if we start to win games consistently we have no chance to get him. The only way we have a remote chance is by, you know, being bad. /shrug
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Post#184 » by Eta Carinae » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:59 am

Fultz, Hey I love u man.
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Post#185 » by Ericb5 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:20 pm

Foshan wrote:So i just hope all the folks that want us to get Fultz are not the ones complaining about us being bad. Because if we start to win games consistently we have no chance to get him. The only way we have a remote chance is by, you know, being bad. /shrug


What happens is that the complainers complain no matter what. It is a personality quirk.

However, remember that we don't have to be really bad to get a really good pick. We just need us or the Kings to be bad, and thankfully the Kings are obliging so far.


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Post#186 » by LordCovington33 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:27 pm

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Ericb5 wrote:
Foshan wrote:So i just hope all the folks that want us to get Fultz are not the ones complaining about us being bad. Because if we start to win games consistently we have no chance to get him. The only way we have a remote chance is by, you know, being bad. /shrug


What happens is that the complainers complain no matter what. It is a personality quirk.

However, remember that we don't have to be really bad to get a really good pick. We just need us or the Kings to be bad, and thankfully the Kings are obliging so far.


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Sac are bad, but not bad enough. Will probably be bottom 10, but closer to 10 than 1. I think Dallas is tanking.
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Post#187 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:50 pm

Fultz has been so dominant, offensively, that it might not matter that he doesn't defend. Kind of like a healthy version of Kyrie at Duke.
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Post#188 » by eagereyez » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:24 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Foshan wrote:So i just hope all the folks that want us to get Fultz are not the ones complaining about us being bad. Because if we start to win games consistently we have no chance to get him. The only way we have a remote chance is by, you know, being bad. /shrug


What happens is that the complainers complain no matter what. It is a personality quirk.

However, remember that we don't have to be really bad to get a really good pick. We just need us or the Kings to be bad, and thankfully the Kings are obliging so far.


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That's not how statistics works.
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Post#189 » by Kobblehead » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:07 am

Grayson Allen kinda sucks this year, in the early going.
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Post#190 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:16 am

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Ericb5 wrote:
Foshan wrote:So i just hope all the folks that want us to get Fultz are not the ones complaining about us being bad. Because if we start to win games consistently we have no chance to get him. The only way we have a remote chance is by, you know, being bad. /shrug


What happens is that the complainers complain no matter what. It is a personality quirk.

However, remember that we don't have to be really bad to get a really good pick. We just need us or the Kings to be bad, and thankfully the Kings are obliging so far.


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That's not how statistics works.


I understand that if we are both bad that it increases the chances of us getting a top pick. I'm just saying that if we, by some miracle, start winning games and move to the 10th lottery position some how, that the Kings will still probably be in the top 6 or so.

The Kings are a mess! A complete mess. I see only downside risk with them wins wise. They aren't going to suddenly with 40 games. They may even trade Cousins this year.

We are worse than them, but they are bad enough on their own to give us a good shot at a top 3 pick.


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Post#191 » by phiphan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:35 am

This Kurucs guy looks kinda nice. Who will dare to pass on another Latvian? Reminds me of a longer Sam Dekker (who I kinda hate)



He just had surgery for an MCL tear btw
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Post#192 » by phifans » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:16 am

Does Miles Bridges' game have some similarity to Draymond Green ?
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Post#193 » by eagereyez » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:17 am

Fultz, DSJ, Ball, and Fox are all playing tonight.
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Post#194 » by HartfordWhalers » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:25 pm

3-3 over the last 6 games, time to look at a whole different crop of draftees.
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Post#195 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:42 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:3-3 over the last 6 games, time to look at a whole different crop of draftees.


Not yet but this isn't why I want at least 3-4 highly touted guards in case we are picking 5-8. I want Fultz but he's not going past 1. If we don't get the top pick I just want a guard who I think can be an all star player. Fox and Ball and Smith Jr should not all be gone before pick 6 right? I hope not. I just want all of them to be worthy of getting me excited if we miss out on Fultz. We need at least one of them.
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Post#196 » by Kobblehead » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:53 pm

Josh Jackson still might end up as the #1 pick. Skillset deficiencies are obviously there, but the dude has a competitive fire and will to be a great one.
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Post#197 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:55 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Josh Jackson still might end up as the #1 pick. Skillset deficiencies are obviously there, but the dude has a competitive fire and will to be a great one.


I love him too.

He is super smart, super athletic, and super competitive. With those three things together he is bounds to be terrific.

I just picture him defending the perimeter, and getting out and running with Simmons.

His shot looks like a problem though. I think his shot will determine his ceiling. If he can improve his shot he could be a third star.


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Post#198 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:49 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Josh Jackson still might end up as the #1 pick. Skillset deficiencies are obviously there, but the dude has a competitive fire and will to be a great one.


I'm just wondering if he can become a good shooter. I'm tired of players who can't shoot. We already have Ben Simmons. I don't want another one. If he can defend well that's good. I just am curious how much better he will get. He's 20 and older than most freshmen by a year. Shooting does seem to be his only serious flaw. He can create his own shot. He can defend. He has an attitude to want to dominate. I like him a lot. I am just hesitant on thinking he will become a good shooter.
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Post#199 » by Kobblehead » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:45 am

I'm not necessarily saying he'd be a great fit for us. Just that we don't have the win the draft lottery to pick the best of the guards. Jackson could very easily be the unanimous #1 by the time the college basketball season is over.
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Post#200 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:09 am

I'm all-in for Jackson. Embiid being able to shoot 3's makes it possible to surround Jackson/Simmons with 3 capable shooters.


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