Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Tomjas]

If Sixers are going to trade Simmons they need to acquire two things:

1) A legitimate PG
2) A true #2 scorer who can create his own shot

Dame fits both, but we have no idea if he's even available at this juncture. Best coarse of action is probably trying to sign and trade for Lowry, if the Raptors lower their demands and then acquiring that 2nd scorer using Simmons. See if they can pry a Kawhi/Butler (pipe dreams), but more likely a Zach Lavine.

Hard no to LaVine

Very definition of empty stats

Same with Beal

Their impact upon games is neutral as they give up as many points as they make and do nothing otherwise plus will cost a massive amount

[Tomjas]

Fun facts for those talking about offence only options like LaVine or Beal

They would be the 4th option on an healthy Nets

Sixers need balance

[51X3RF4N]

Is Morey good enough to swing Lowry sign and trade 2 years, $40M and get Gary Trent, Jr back in the deal?

Simmons for Lowry and GTJ (resigned 4 years, $75M?).

Something like that.

Toronto seems to consider GTJ untouchable.

But...

FVV/Suggs/OG/Simmons/Siakam in my mind is better than FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/? With Suggs off the bench.

Maybe I'm crazy. Probably so.

But

Lowry/Maxey
GTJ/Curry
Green/Thybulle
Harris
Embiid/Howard

Thats not a bad place to be, especially with a pick and more ammo in Shake/Hill to be traded for a stretch big.

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[the_process]

Talk about guys who should be out… Kyle Lowry. Are you seriously going to trade Ben Simmons for a soon to be 36 year old 6 foot nothing PG with a high BMI? Come on. Absolutely not. Let Toronto pay him the Kobe contract. He was still good last year but the cliff is here.

From TOR IMO it’s VanVleet and Siakam or move on.

[thenbaman]

Is there a viable Simmons trade that gets Love, #3, and Sexton?

Sexton is best paired with Simmons. But the Cavs seem committed to keeping Garland and drafting Jalen Green.

Still seems to me the easiest Simmons trade is still Love and 3, though. And then flip 3 plus Tobias and Hill and 2 future unprotected 1sts for Beal and Bertans.

LOL Simons has way more value than that.

[the_process]

Is there a viable Simmons trade that gets Love, #3, and Sexton?

Sexton is best paired with Simmons. But the Cavs seem committed to keeping Garland and drafting Jalen Green.

Still seems to me the easiest Simmons trade is still Love and 3, though. And then flip 3 plus Tobias and Hill and 2 future unprotected 1sts for Beal and Bertans.

LOL Simons has way more value than that.

I hope you’re right about that.

[thenbaman]

Another trade that has grown on me is Ben Simmons to the Cavs for Sexton, Love and #3.

I think the best prospect of the class will be there at #3 like he was in 2014 (embiid), 2017 (tatum), 2018 (luka), 2020 (ball).

I don't know if the Cavs would do that though.

Is Garland + Simmons + Allen a core they want to build around?

Cavs wont do that.

Maybe you replace #3 with a future first instead

Sixers won't do that,lol

[Madd Squabbles]

If TOR would to do Ben and Tobias for Siakam and FVV… you have to strongly consider that IMO.

And it actually even squeezes in under the 125% rule by 600k. Would save the Sixers over 14M. Seeing that makes me think ownership would be all over it.

I don't think that's enough to contend with the Nets. I would love it if we can move Harris for Bucher and Lowery though. I would even throw in 28.

[Stanford]

I don't think Love and 3 is that crazy in terms of value...

It doesn't really work for us, but is Ben's value really much higher than that? Teams kill for top 3 picks.

[Wilfried]

The most logic seems a trade between Washington - Minnesota and Philly, where Minnesota ends up with Simmons, Washington with Edwards + (Milton, picks, ...) and Philly with Rubio and Beal.

[thenbaman]

Ben is an all-star would rather keep him and move in another direction to get
a good shot creator,all the players mentioned here are awful and don't make
the sixers any better,a lot more teams want ben than any of us think.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't think we should even be dealing with Tampa Bay (Raptors) at all. Nor should we deal with Cleveland. Unless either of them are coming off that lotto pick, it's a hard NO for me personally. Fred Van Vleet is a nice player for sure, I like Collin Sexton, but trading Simmons for either of them would be a major "settle" for us if you know what I mean. Switching conferences here, I don't think Minnesota is a viable option either. They don't want to part with Anthony Edwards, they don't want to part with Russell who nobody here likes, I just don't see them as an option either.

This is going to come down to a western conference team that is looking to shift gears and go in a new direction OR...A team that can't attract big name free agents that wants to put fans in the stands. That to me screams Sacramento. Yet again, I keep seeing trade proposals for Buddy Fkn Hield! NO NO NO! That's a terrible offer and i'm sure everyone that isn't a Kings fan knows it. It's going to take D'Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton to make Simmons part of that team. It's as simple as that!

We can play the "if only" game all day, but Simmons has put himself in this situation and he has also put us in a tough spot with his crappy playoff performance. His value now has to be talked back up if that makes sense. Someone is going to bite on this though. It's not a sucker play by any means. Simmons has value, he is an all star, he's very young, he does a lot of things on the basketball court very well and it remains a possibility that he will improve his offensive game. To me...On his "own" team, he's Jason Kidd during his Nets years. That's pretty good and definitely worthy of what we're asking in return for him. These IDIOT T'Wolf fans are just as irritating as the Raptor fans. Now it's Buddy Hield...I'm SMMFH over here. It's going to take a good player for us to let go of Simmons.

You're not selling anyone on the idea of Ricky Rubio and Malik Beasley (who shouldn't even be allowed in the league) for Simmons. Buddy Hield is a one dimensional player that plays no defense and can't do what we need in a playoff setting. Kyle Lowry is older, but unless the fourth pick comes with him, it's a no for me. Fred Van Vleet has killed it with the Raptors, but we can get Patty Mills in free agency who does similar things. Sorry, not trading Simmons for him lol. I hope Morey agrees!

Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Brandon Ingram, D'Aaron Fox, #3 pick, #2 pick (Houston), Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton...These are the names we should be inquiring about. They probably aren't exactly available, but everything and everyone has a price. I actually hate that we're in the position we are in with him. Again..."if only" Simmons would have played the way he was supposed to, the way we've seen him play at times, this would be a non issue.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't think Love and 3 is that crazy in terms of value...

It doesn't really work for us, but is Ben's value really much higher than that? Teams kill for top 3 picks.

That third pick is Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs. Both will be instant contributors on a huge stage. That to me is worth Ben Simmons. Adding KLove for salary purposes and as a reclamation project is worth it. We'll end up with a backcourt of Maxey/Suggs or Maxey/Green. Not exactly a bad position to be in moving forward with this franchise. These guys will be playoff/battle tested at an age where others are playing on basement dwelling teams. I get that people want us to add an established star for Simmons, but that's not happening unless we include other assets and I don't think we can afford to do so. Build a perennial playoff team that has the ability to get to the Finals and win. That should be the goal. Build a team that has a chance every year. I just don't see what's so bad about going for one of these high lotto picks. I don't know much about Jalen Green, but he looks like a superstar to me. I watched a bit of Jalen Suggs and that kid is going to be a great player in my opinion.

[sixers4real]

I can't believe we value Simmons as low as Lowry. Thank god we have Morey

[stormi]

Most Sixers thing ever

Crocked Kawhi opts in and is traded straight up for Simmons

Clippers and Ben flourish

Kawhi goes AWOL and never suits up for the Sixers

Embiid gets injured

We tear it down and rehire Hinkie

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[stormi]

Read on Twitter

This is the kind of Ben prop we need circling right now (and honestly he isn't wrong).

[the_process]

The Simmons trade is going to make or break Morey IMO. He flubs it, and the Sixers crash and burn; that’s two teams he couldn’t win with. And all his creative cap maneuverings will be for naught.

He nails it, and the Sixers even just make the Finals, and he gets certified as a genius.

[Stanford]

This is the kind of Ben prop we need circling right now (and honestly he isn't wrong).

Okay but why do all these people speak the exact same way

[GordanFreeman]

"Number 4 pick" sounds sexy in theory but this is a three player draft and I know for a fact that MLSE isn't willing to wait for a B- prospect to develop. They're eager to get off of Siakam's deal and make up for not trading Lowry at the deadline. You have to consider all of factors involved here. It's a recipe for a Lowry-Siakam-4-for-Ben deal, and considering the offers we're getting from the T-Wolves board, we may just have to take it.

Bruh we raptors fans don't watch only raptors games. We saw what Ben did these playoffs. Do you actually believe that's a fair offer? Man's talking like we got BC as our GM.

[Wilfried]

"Number 4 pick" sounds sexy in theory but this is a three player draft and I know for a fact that MLSE isn't willing to wait for a B- prospect to develop. They're eager to get off of Siakam's deal and make up for not trading Lowry at the deadline. You have to consider all of factors involved here. It's a recipe for a Lowry-Siakam-4-for-Ben deal, and considering the offers we're getting from the T-Wolves board, we may just have to take it.

Bruh we raptors fans don't watch only raptors games. We saw what Ben did these playoffs. Do you actually believe that's a fair offer? Man's talking like we got BC as our GM.

Why care if Ben's not playable in the play-offs, when you're not in the play-offs