2019 NBA Draft

[BullyKing]

Could he be a liability on defense? Yeah sure. And maybe he won't have the athletic agility to move around and create his own shot, but I think his shooting will translate to the NBA and that's something. That's better than guys like Korkmaz, Bolden, TJ, Jon Simmons who give you either nothing or next to nothing. They do nothing well. With Cam at least we'll be adding a guy who can space the floor and hit 3's. Is it value best spent? Probably not, but I think it's perfectly understandable if that's the route they go. And maybe he'll show a little more on the offensive end than we thought.

The player you're describing in this paragraph is someone you sign to a minimum contract, not someone you spend a first round pick on.

With late first rounders I disagree. I think at that point if you even get someone who is a solid contributor who fills a role you made a good pick. Draft someone who isn't total crap and I think you made a good pick in the mid 20's-30.

Assuming the Sixers run it back, they don't have a lot of financial flexibility so need definite contributions from their draft picks, because they won't be able to sign a lot outside of keeping their core. So that's the risk you run with rawer/higher upside guys. You take guys who you see growth potential in, but if they don't reach it, you get nothing. On a team that's looking to win now and take advantage of a depleted Warriors team out west, I would be fine if they took a guy in the first round who could fill a role and fill it now.

Tbh I don't really see a significant difference in this particular draft anyway in guys from 24-30 and guys from 31-45. A lot of mocks have Okeke going in the 2nd round because of the ACL, but I think he's better than most guys I see going in the 20's.

If you want someone who can hit 40% from 3 and give you nothing else, just bring Hollis Thompson back from Germany. You can use one or two of the 2nds on a one dimensional ready to play guy. A 1st round pick should not be used on a guy that presents such little upside.

[LloydFree]

I've obviously said my piece on this, but the draft is where you aim to get potential stars, in my opinion. Otherwise you're not maximizing the potential of the asset. At best, you get a mainstay on your roster, possibly even a star. At worst, the pick busts, the damage is mitigated and you move on.

Save role player positions for FA.

This x1000, specifically for 1st round picks.

[FireMorey]

The player you're describing in this paragraph is someone you sign to a minimum contract, not someone you spend a first round pick on.

With late first rounders I disagree. I think at that point if you even get someone who is a solid contributor who fills a role you made a good pick. Draft someone who isn't total crap and I think you made a good pick in the mid 20's-30.

Assuming the Sixers run it back, they don't have a lot of financial flexibility so need definite contributions from their draft picks, because they won't be able to sign a lot outside of keeping their core. So that's the risk you run with rawer/higher upside guys. You take guys who you see growth potential in, but if they don't reach it, you get nothing. On a team that's looking to win now and take advantage of a depleted Warriors team out west, I would be fine if they took a guy in the first round who could fill a role and fill it now.

Tbh I don't really see a significant difference in this particular draft anyway in guys from 24-30 and guys from 31-45. A lot of mocks have Okeke going in the 2nd round because of the ACL, but I think he's better than most guys I see going in the 20's.

If you want someone who can hit 40% from 3 and give you nothing else, just bring Hollis Thompson back from Germany. You can use one or two of the 2nds on a one dimensional ready to play guy. A 1st round pick should not be used on a guy that presents such little upside.

We don’t know if that’s what Cam will be though, people are just assuming. We don’t know that he won’t develop more to his game than just being a standalone shooter who can do nothing else no more than we know Thybulle will develop into a reliable NBA shooter.

[smittybanton]

i watched the elton brand press conference, and i'm happy to say that he said absolutely nothing of substance other than we have 5picks and lots of options, after which he agreed with every proposal laid before him, including drafting someone ready to play immediately "unless of course someone's talent is off the charts". perfect rubbish.

if it takes #24 to get claxton, i'd do it. if the blazers want 2nd round picks instead of the 25, i'd give them 34 and 34 for thybulle. and i'd somehow move up from 42 with 54 to get daniel gafford.

shake milton, zhaire smith, matisse thybulle, nicolas claxton, daniel gafford. aint nobody scoring on us in vegas.

That's all I'm focused on. Fill out the summer league team.

me too. lol. for the sixers to succeed in the real nba, i would want cam johnson, ty jerome and carsen edwards.

[PLO]

Gribanovs recent tweet chain on his highest/lowest is worth checking out

[Locrian]

Havent been keeping track on this years draft..shouldnt we be focusing on role players with the best chance of being playable in playoffs?

[BullyKing]

With late first rounders I disagree. I think at that point if you even get someone who is a solid contributor who fills a role you made a good pick. Draft someone who isn't total crap and I think you made a good pick in the mid 20's-30.

Assuming the Sixers run it back, they don't have a lot of financial flexibility so need definite contributions from their draft picks, because they won't be able to sign a lot outside of keeping their core. So that's the risk you run with rawer/higher upside guys. You take guys who you see growth potential in, but if they don't reach it, you get nothing. On a team that's looking to win now and take advantage of a depleted Warriors team out west, I would be fine if they took a guy in the first round who could fill a role and fill it now.

Tbh I don't really see a significant difference in this particular draft anyway in guys from 24-30 and guys from 31-45. A lot of mocks have Okeke going in the 2nd round because of the ACL, but I think he's better than most guys I see going in the 20's.

If you want someone who can hit 40% from 3 and give you nothing else, just bring Hollis Thompson back from Germany. You can use one or two of the 2nds on a one dimensional ready to play guy. A 1st round pick should not be used on a guy that presents such little upside.

We don’t know if that’s what Cam will be though, people are just assuming. We don’t know that he won’t develop more to his game than just being a standalone shooter who can do nothing else no more than we know Thybulle will develop into a reliable NBA shooter.

We don't know anything for certain but using that standard what's the point of having any opinions at all.

[Kolkmania]

What's the problem with Grant Williams? His stats look great and he's still only 20 years old. The jump in FT% leads me to believe he can shoot 3's well in time. Good assist, block, and steal numbers.

If he can slim down a bit and defend wings he looks to be a nice player. What am I missing? Is it just the length - too small to play PF and not quick enough to play SF?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/grant-williams

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grant-williams-1.html

Tweener. Too slow for the elite 3's of the world. Too short to pose a vertical challenge for the 4's of the world. Also an awful fit with Simmons and Embiid as he occupies the same space they do.

Too bad because his numbers are eye popping. He was #1 above even Zion among PF in RAPM I believe.

I guess he would only have value if he can slim down enough to defend SF, and extend his range to shoot 3's.

If you believe he can shoot then your interest is certainly warranted imo. He's not smaller than guys like Jae Crowder and Jimmy Butler who are effective 4's in the NBA, and the difference between Williams and regular 4's like Marcus Morris is minimal.

He has an excellent lower body strength and like you said there's upside in optimizing his training schedule to gain more lateral agility.

So it's not necessarily you are missing something, perhaps you consciously value or project some skills differently than the consensus.

[nycphils]

I think I’d really like to get Dylan Windler...not only one of the better shooters in the draft, but good size at 6’7” with a 6’10” wingspan, and tested in the top 5 at the combine in each of the following drills:

Shuttle
Lane agility
3 quarter sprint speed

He will need to get stronger, but clearly will have a shot at staying in front of guards given his physical tools, so he won’t likely get played off the court. As Shamet showed, agility and shooting ability can get you on the court quickly even if you might be pushed around.

There has been some comment that I’ve read that he suffered against better competition, but being a small school player I’m confident that his teammates didn’t take the pressure off him either.

I’d draft him at #24 if need be, and would be thrilled to get him at #33.

[Negrodamus]

If we’re just looking for the best shooter, then draft Fletcher Magee in the second round. He just finished arguably the best shooting career in ncaa history.

[PLO]

Gribanov's HIGHEST ranked players compared to consensus/projection. These players will present value in the draft: 1. Tremont Waters 2. Isiah Roby. 3. Justin Robinson. 4. Dedric Lawson. 5. Jordan Poole

LOWEST ranked players compared to projection, ie these players are being ranked too high according to him: 1. Pascahal/Windler. 3. Ponds/Jerome. 4. Cam Johnson. 5. Darius Garland

[PLO]

If we’re just looking for the best shooter, then draft Fletcher Magee in the second round. He just finished arguably the best shooting career in ncaa history.

Arguably, Tyler Herro is a poor-man's Fletcher Magee.

[LloydFree]

Final Big board... I think...

Tier 1
1. Zion Williamson - 6'7, PF Duke
2. Ja Morant - 6'3 PG - Murray St

Tier 2
3. Darius Garland - 6'2 PG - Vanderbilt
4. Cam Reddish - 6'8 SG - Duke
5. Sekou Doumbouya - 6'8 PF - France
6. Bol Bol - 7'3 C - Oregon
7. Jarrett Culver - 6'6 SG - Texas Tech
8. Nassir Little - 6'7 SF - UNC
9. RJ Barrett - 6'7 SF - Duke
10. De'Andre Hunter - 6-7 SF - Virginia
11. Romeo Langford - 6'5 SG - Indiana

Tier 3
12. Mfiondu Kabengele - 6'10 PF - FSU
13. Bruno Fernando - 6'10 C - Maryland
14. Jalen McDaniels - 6'10 SF - San Diego St
15. Zach Norvelle - 6'5 SG - Gonzaga
16. Coby White - 6'4 PG - UNC
17. PJ Washington - 6'8 PF - Kentucky
18. Nickiel Alexander Walker - 6'5 SG - Va Tech
19. Louis King - 6'7 SG - Oregon
20. Talen Horton-Tucker - 6'4 SF - Iowa State
21. Jaxon Hayes - 6'11 C - Texas

Tier 4
22. Nic Claxton - 6'10 C Georgia
23. Kevin Porter - 6'5 SG - USC
24. Dedric Lawson - 6'8 PF - Kansas
25. Rui Hachimura - 6'8 SF - Gonzaga
26. Chuma Okeke - 6'8 PF - Auburn
27. Tyler Herro 6'5 SG Kentucky
28. Terrance Davis 6'4 SG Mississippi
29. Iggy Bradzeikis - 6'5 SG -Michigan
30. Brandon Clarke - 6'8 PF Gonzaga

2nd Round - Tier 4: continued
31. Shamorie Ponds - 6'1 PG - St John's
32. Jarrell Brantley - 6'7 PF - College of Charleston
33. Dylan Windler 6'7 Belmont
34. Luguentz Dort - 6'4 - SG Arizona
35. Carsen Edwards 6'0 SG Purdue
36. Keldon Johnson 6'5 SG - Kentucky
37. Matisse Thybulle 6'5 SF Washington
38. Cameron Johnson - 6'8 SF - UNC
39. Goga Bitadze, C, Mega Bemax
40. KZ Okpala - 6'9 SF - UCLA

[Negrodamus]

Gribanov's HIGHEST ranked players compared to consensus/projection. These players will present value in the draft: 1. Tremont Waters 2. Isiah Roby. 3. Justin Robinson. 4. Dedric Lawson. 5. Jordan Poole

LOWEST ranked players compared to projection, ie these players are being ranked too high according to him: 1. Pascahal/Windler. 3. Ponds/Jerome. 4. Cam Johnson. 5. Darius Garland

Interesting. I wonder how he decided on the highest ranked since a few of them have definitely caught my attention at certain points during the process.

[PLO]

Gribanov's HIGHEST ranked players compared to consensus/projection. These players will present value in the draft: 1. Tremont Waters 2. Isiah Roby. 3. Justin Robinson. 4. Dedric Lawson. 5. Jordan Poole

LOWEST ranked players compared to projection, ie these players are being ranked too high according to him: 1. Pascahal/Windler. 3. Ponds/Jerome. 4. Cam Johnson. 5. Darius Garland

Interesting. I wonder how he decided on the highest ranked since a few of them have definitely caught my attention at certain points during the process.

I forgot, he also had Quinndary Weatherspoon as the 6th among his potential "steals", here are his comments on them:
1. 1. Tremont Waters (at one point I said, **** the size. The guy can freaking play. Everyone asks about next Van Vleet. I think waters is best bet for that sort of arch [sic])
2. Isiah Roby Nah, i mean What can I say. Its similar to KPJ .. the guy is legit talented. Can he bring the intensity and motor consistently? We will see
3. justin Robinson - super underrated among PGs in this class. Young for a senior. Was Va Tech best overall player when healthy.
4. Dedric Lawson - ya he can barely move. That hasn't stopped ppl ranking ty Jerome for some reason tho
5. Jordan Poole - basically same age as some of the freshmen but one of best shooters in the draft already. Solid enough on D to not be a total negative there.
6. Q. Weatherspoon - a very solid all around combo guard. Kind of "quiet" game prob has him underrated but he can play

[hookshot199]

i watched the elton brand press conference, and i'm happy to say that he said absolutely nothing of substance other than we have 5picks and lots of options, after which he agreed with every proposal laid before him, including drafting someone ready to play immediately "unless of course someone's talent is off the charts". perfect rubbish.

if it takes #24 to get claxton, i'd do it. if the blazers want 2nd round picks instead of the 25, i'd give them 34 and 34 for thybulle. and i'd somehow move up from 42 with 54 to get daniel gafford.

shake milton, zhaire smith, matisse thybulle, nicolas claxton, daniel gafford. aint nobody scoring on us in vegas.

That's all I'm focused on. Fill out the summer league team.

me too. lol. for the sixers to succeed in the real nba, i would want cam johnson, ty jerome and carsen edwards.

I thought the Snell trade was telling. Milwaukee, as you indicated, wanted to dump salary. They gave a 30 pick to do so.
OKC also needs to dump salary. I know what they have that we could use - Jerami Grant (I assume Nerlens will decline
his player option and test the FA market again). Whether he's available...Jonathan Simmons...again...could help them
cut their payroll. Maybe even get their 21 pick out of it for our 33 or 34.

[No-Man]

I think I’d really like to get Dylan Windler...not only one of the better shooters in the draft, but good size at 6’7” with a 6’10” wingspan, and tested in the top 5 at the combine in each of the following drills:

Shuttle
Lane agility
3 quarter sprint speed

He will need to get stronger, but clearly will have a shot at staying in front of guards given his physical tools, so he won’t likely get played off the court. As Shamet showed, agility and shooting ability can get you on the court quickly even if you might be pushed around.

There has been some comment that I’ve read that he suffered against better competition, but being a small school player I’m confident that his teammates didn’t take the pressure off him either.

I’d draft him at #24 if need be, and would be thrilled to get him at #33.

have you seen him move? he is super super awkward, not fluid at all, him staying in front of Guards it's a pipe-dream

He is a stretch 4 all Steve Novak, he was absolutely awful against any legit athletic competition

[No-Man]

If we’re just looking for the best shooter, then draft Fletcher Magee in the second round. He just finished arguably the best shooting career in ncaa history.

Arguably, Tyler Herro is a poor-man's Fletcher Magee.

That cracked me up

[PLO]

If we’re just looking for the best shooter, then draft Fletcher Magee in the second round. He just finished arguably the best shooting career in ncaa history.

Arguably, Tyler Herro is a poor-man's Fletcher Magee.

That cracked me up

I was fishing for a stronger reaction from you tbh

[nitocobola]

second round value in this draft, could change on draft night of course

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