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The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#201 » by stormi » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:39 am

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elchengue20 wrote:Perfect time to trade him while his trade value is as high as it will ever be.


Why would you trade one of the best talents in the league. We should build around him and go all in with Ben



Because he's a nice player to have in the regular season, postseason is another story. Game slows down and he gets shut down easily. Plus he lacks passion and competitive spirit.

He's a poor mans Giannis, worse defensively, worse shooter, worse finisher, slighty better passer. He's not a player you can build a championship team around. He will never learn to shoot, his potential is capped.

I would definitively trade him now while his trade value is high. I'm sure there is some GM's that will give a lot for him.


he's so much better than giannis lmao. he just has way more basketball skill. much better dribbler, facilitator, a better shooter, has a better brain for the game and is leagues better as a defender. giannis plays on a team catered to his skillset and elbows people consistently and screams for calls.

we swap ben for giannis and this team gets worse
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#202 » by bball4life » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:40 am

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Why would you trade one of the best talents in the league. We should build around him and go all in with Ben



Because he's a nice player to have in the regular season, postseason is another story. Game slows down and he gets shut down easily. Plus he lacks passion and competitive spirit.

He's a poor mans Giannis, worse defensively, worse shooter, worse finisher, slighty better passer. He's not a player you can build a championship team around. He will never learn to shoot, his potential is capped.

I would definitively trade him now while his trade value is high. I'm sure there is some GM's that will give a lot for him.


What has embiid proven in the playoffs?

He gut shut down and outplayed by gasol and horford both declining centers on their last legs and that was in the 2nd round and has no sign of improving his low iq, bad passing and bad decision making.

His stock is going down and simmons stock is going up. Sell while embiid still has value because the next injury might kill the rest of his trade value.

Let’s see where bens stock is when they play a couple good defensive teams without Embiid. I love what I saw tonight but nets and knicks are two of the worst defensive teams in the league. He will always be a liability against good teams until he shoots. Even tonight look what happened the last 5 minutes. They went zone and took away his driving lanes and he was worthless on offense in half court as always happens end of games. The teams stellar defense (including Ben, yes I know)and a couple threes saved the game.

Oh and the sixers were about plus 200 when Embiid played in the playoffs last year and something like -100 in the little time he had to rest. So please find some other inane point to get behind.


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#203 » by phillynative » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:45 am

PLO wrote:What has Giannis proved in the playoffs? Nothing. If we're talking about a player who is a regular season guy its him.


But if hes a lesser Giannis than wouldnt that make him a re... wait what point were you trying to make here?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#204 » by 76ciology » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:50 am

Biid is a championship player.

But his style has to change. The heavy post offense (straight-up) is ineffective in the playoffs against certain match-ups. It also leads to TOs. We have two seasons of sample size for this.

Should we trade Biid? No. Ben needs Biid. Ben is a very limited and flawed player. We’re not going to outshoot or outscore the opponent by replacing Biid with a Lillard or Kemba.

Ben’s identity is a mix of speed and bullyball. I know Biid can also play that way. And if we play that way, we will always have the edge in a 7 game series against all teams.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#205 » by stormi » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:54 am

ben usually rises to the occasion while joel crumbles in the clutch and is dribbling the ball like it's a grenade and throwing errant cross court passes. jojo honestly gives me mental midget vibes. two young elite players, but ben is the superior talent, and i think this team goes further built around him as opposed to limiting ben to build it around embiid (/them both).
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#206 » by 76ciology » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:59 am

Here’s why Ben needs Biid.

Without Biid, opponents will put their center on Ben. It didnt work tonight against Jarett Allen. But on some match-ups it will (i.e Al on Ben during the Celts-Sixers playoffs) If Embiid and Al are on the floor, bigs wont be on Ben. Ben will always have the size advantage against guys like kurucs or etc.

Biid can also run a “near the rim PnR” with Ben, because he will always have the advantage on any player except the center. Thus, defense can’t switch.

Biid can also be a great shooter. Probably has the upside to be the league’s best shooter.

Lastly, Biid allows you to play league best defense. And you have to play this level of defense if you are not going to outshoot/outscore anyone.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#207 » by PLO » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:09 am

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PLO wrote:What has Giannis proved in the playoffs? Nothing. If we're talking about a player who is a regular season guy its him.


But if hes a lesser Giannis than wouldnt that make him a re... wait what point were you trying to make here?


Previous posters stating Embiid has proven nothing in the playoffs and saying Giannis was better at all these things than Simmons (and absurdly saying Simmons was a only "slightly better" passer). Giannis may well be better than Simmons in some areas but he's proven nothing so far in the playoffs, even with a team specifically built around him and one of the best coaches in the league coaching him.

Toronto beat the Bucks easily in last year's playoffs and we were a bounce away from beating them. Simmons also played a lot better D in that series than Giannis did in his.

Citing Embiid's playoff performance as a negative and also comparing Giannis vs Simmons when Giannis has done nothing in the playoffs worthy of note when he has everything going in his favor don't work for me as arguments.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#208 » by Stonk » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:06 am

Embiid is useless in the clutch if he's not getting fouled and has just as many problems in the playoffs as Ben matchup wise.

I'm starting to think we need to build around Ben. This stretch without Joel has opened my eyes a bit.

Not just Ben, but EVERYONE ELSE, struggles offensively when he's on the court. They can't find a rhythm when Joel stops the ball completely on almost every half court possession.

Joel is a superstar center in a league that has left those sort of players behind.

I'm not even going to get into his injury/conditioning problems.

Ben is an absolute thoroughbred of an athlete that would have no trouble playing 40+ minutes every damn game, not to mention he may have even surpassed Joel's impact on the defensive end now.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#209 » by stormi » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:28 am

Stonk wrote:Embiid is useless in the clutch and has just as many problems in the playoffs as Ben matchup wise.

I'm starting to think we need to build around Ben. This stretch without Joel has opened my eyes a bit.

Not just Ben, but EVERYONE ELSE, struggles offensively when he's on the court. They can't find a rhythm when Joel stops the ball completely on almost every half court possession.

Joel is a superstar center in a league that has left those sort of players behind.

I'm not even going to get into his injury/conditioning problems.

Ben is an absolute thoroughbred of an athlete that would have no trouble playing 40+ minutes every damn game.


the most cohesive stretch of basketball this team ever played was that last quarter of the season when markelle gave jojo cte during that handoff, and Ben & co. went on that 16 game winning streak to steal the 3 seed from the Cavs (including that head to head showdown against Lebron where Ben showed out and declared himself the roty to the world)

That roster was the peak archetype, we had to build on it, not totally flip the entire script and build around our injury prone social media superstar. We went from the best shooting team in the league, to well below average. We went from one of the fastest paces in the league, to mediocre and stagnant in the halfcourt.

the KAT rumblings intrigue me, Jojo is a better player, but in terms of fit KAT is way superior. He's like a 7 foot shooting guard who'd probably average close to 30 points per game running with Ben.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#210 » by pickprotection » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:41 am

stormi wrote:ben usually rises to the occasion while joel crumbles in the clutch and is dribbling the ball like it's a grenade and throwing errant cross court passes. jojo honestly gives me mental midget vibes. two young elite players, but ben is the superior talent, and i think this team goes further built around him as opposed to limiting ben to build it around embiid (/them both).


Honestly people just need to start listening to embiid postgame interviews and articles written about him by national writers and its clear he has delusions about how good he is at basketball. He calls himself the best player in the league and mentioned that he would have won mvp if the team record was better last season. He implied he was better than harden after beating him in a meaningless regular season game last year with capela and cp3 injured.

He always looks depressed and is mopping after losses especially when he doesnt get his counting stats. Even in wins he mopes if he doesnt get his numbers.

He is a limited offensive player yet demands a 35% usage regardless of how many talented players we bring in. Do you know how much jimmy and tobias had to sacrifice last year just to satisfy this dudes desire to have a 35% usage on offense even though he showed in the playoffs that he shouldnt be the focal point of the offense at all against good teams.

It would be one thing if he realized his flaws and what he needs to work on but every interview this guy gives makes him seem less self aware than prime dwight. People think dwight is childish but boy if the national media actually picked up half the stuff embiid says in post game interviews they would wonder how childish can he be.


Honestly i was the biggest embiid fan boy until about last year. The boston series left a sour taste in my mouth then he came back on opening night against boston last year and looked like he learned absolutely nothing about how baynes and horford destroyed him 6 months earlier. Than it became apparent after the jimmy trade that hes just a low iq player who is selfish about his stats, doesnt give a rats behind about his teammates and cares more about his offensive usage than what is best for the team on offense.

Just look at his most recent interview about the role of the center in the modern nba. He dismisses bigs who rim run protect the rim and get rebounds and says he wants to be a guard and he doesnt like shooting 3s. Thats an awful perspective to have as a big man in 2020. The dude canr even dribble or pass out of an obvious double team yet he considers himself "more than a big man".



Compare that to marc gasols interview detailing the changing role of the big the increased responsibilites on defense the importance of spacing and the effect it has on unleashing your guards and pulling the big out of the paint and hpw he needed to lose weight to adapt to the changing game. Its clear as day the maturity of gasol and the immaturity of embiid.



Im sick of 35% usage on offense embiid. I would be okay with keeping him if it meant he would accept a 20% to 22% usage on offense but i know he will never crank back that much due to his obsession with number (this guy still fights ben for uncontested defensive rebounds even though its better for the team if ben grabs them and runs instead).

Im done with embiid and his lazy low iq basketball.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#211 » by pickprotection » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:50 am

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phillynative wrote:
PLO wrote:What has Giannis proved in the playoffs? Nothing. If we're talking about a player who is a regular season guy its him.


But if hes a lesser Giannis than wouldnt that make him a re... wait what point were you trying to make here?


Previous posters stating Embiid has proven nothing in the playoffs and saying Giannis was better at all these things than Simmons (and absurdly saying Simmons was a only "slightly better" passer). Giannis may well be better than Simmons in some areas but he's proven nothing so far in the playoffs, even with a team specifically built around him and one of the best coaches in the league coaching him.

Toronto beat the Bucks easily in last year's playoffs and we were a bounce away from beating them. Simmons also played a lot better D in that series than Giannis did in his.

Citing Embiid's playoff performance as a negative and also comparing Giannis vs Simmons when Giannis has done nothing in the playoffs worthy of note when he has everything going in his favor don't work for me as arguments.


The guy responsible for making the raptors series a 7 game series instead of a sweep is playing in miami.

I dont know why people keep bringing up the raptors series when the only reason we won game 2 and 6 and almost won game 4 is gone. At best it would have been a gentlemens sweep without jimmy.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#212 » by PLO » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:44 am

pickprotection wrote:
PLO wrote:
phillynative wrote:
But if hes a lesser Giannis than wouldnt that make him a re... wait what point were you trying to make here?


Previous posters stating Embiid has proven nothing in the playoffs and saying Giannis was better at all these things than Simmons (and absurdly saying Simmons was a only "slightly better" passer). Giannis may well be better than Simmons in some areas but he's proven nothing so far in the playoffs, even with a team specifically built around him and one of the best coaches in the league coaching him.

Toronto beat the Bucks easily in last year's playoffs and we were a bounce away from beating them. Simmons also played a lot better D in that series than Giannis did in his.

Citing Embiid's playoff performance as a negative and also comparing Giannis vs Simmons when Giannis has done nothing in the playoffs worthy of note when he has everything going in his favor don't work for me as arguments.


The guy responsible for making the raptors series a 7 game series instead of a sweep is playing in miami.

I dont know why people keep bringing up the raptors series when the only reason we won game 2 and 6 and almost won game 4 is gone. At best it would have been a gentlemens sweep without jimmy.


So you're saying Jimmy Butler is better than Giannis?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#213 » by nurseryc » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:17 am

We should explore trading Embiid and then completely building around Simmons.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#214 » by Tomjas » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:20 am

Board has gone nuts and I am Simmons biggest fan
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#215 » by michaelm » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:34 am

nurseryc wrote:We should explore trading Embiid and then completely building around Simmons.

No, Embiid needs to lose 20 lbs and the coaching staff need to come up with a game plan which utilises both players effectively, which will involve playing all 3 of Embiid, Simmons and Horford together sparingly if at all imo. If they can’t come up with same, find a coaching staff who can. One thing about Simmons is that he could probably play 48 minutes without tiring overly though.

I am interested to know the opinion of actual Sixers fans however.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#216 » by Zumramania » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:24 am

Tomjas wrote:Board has gone nuts and I am Simmons biggest fan


Recency bias is really a thing on this board :D
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#217 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:40 am

My god, come into this thread and all the Simmons stans are having a circle jerk beating up on Jo. You guys are hilarious.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#218 » by phillynative » Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:34 am

eyeatoma wrote:My god, come into this thread and all the Simmons stans are having a circle jerk beating up on Jo. You guys are hilarious.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

These ben d---k riders are unbearable. But I guess thats what I get for coming in to praise how beast of an all -around talent he is in a shrine thread full of delusionals

Whats painfully obvious about these weirdos is they are not really 76ers fans that are Ben stans or just Embiid haters masquerading as Ben fans.

I agree Embiid is frustrating but the bottom line is we are not winning a Chip without him. You can give the team to Ben so his stats can jump but but the fact remains he needs Embiid or another generational player to contend.

That is the bottom line.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#219 » by Mik317 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:01 pm

we have barely beaten bad teams during this "run".

its great that Ben is playing well...but this is nothing to decide the future of the franchise over. Especially since Ben has gone ghost in the closing minutes of most of these games and we were bailed out by Korkmaz of all people.

and again a mere week ago, it was trade Ben for scraps season when we were losing to good teams. Yall can't flip flop so easily
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#220 » by phillynative » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:12 pm

Mik317 wrote:we have barely beaten bad teams during this "run".

its great that Ben is playing well...but this is nothing to decide the future of the franchise over. Especially since Ben has gone ghost in the closing minutes of most of these games and we were bailed out by Korkmaz of all people.

and again a mere week ago, it was trade Ben for scraps season when we were losing to good teams. Yall can't flip flop so easily



These guys aren't flip floppers though. They are either Ben stans who only come out when Ben is having a good game or Embiid haters so their praising Ben as the next coming to diminish how much of a generational talent Embiid is. It's pretty sad

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