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Post#3181 » by freshie2 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:31 am

Smart isn't worth a top pick...I wouldn't even take him at 10.
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Post#3182 » by agiaco » Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:34 am

Yes Smart would be a great fit here. I didn't think about him a lot because he seems to be in the 4-8 range.
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Post#3183 » by NBA Moses » Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:37 am

freshie2 wrote:Smart isn't worth a top pick...I wouldn't even take him at 10.


I like Smarts physique. He's going to be able to out muscle many defenders. Reminds me of a young more muscular Mitch Richmond in size + skills. Now Richmond became a sharp shooter so M Smart would need to put hours and hours into his shot to ever approach Richmonds overall game. Not impossible though.
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Post#3184 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:09 am

freshie2 wrote:Smart isn't worth a top pick...I wouldn't even take him at 10.


Why not?
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Post#3185 » by freezito_74 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:14 am

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Post#3186 » by Mik317 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:27 am

Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons
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Post#3187 » by LloydFree » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:31 am

Love Marcus Smart and would do the happy dance if the 76ers were able to get him.
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Post#3188 » by Agnostifarian » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:40 am

freshie2 wrote:Smart isn't worth a top pick...I wouldn't even take him at 10.


Some things are better left unsaid. Smart is a legit, STUD PROSPECT. Tighten up.
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Post#3189 » by Agnostifarian » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:51 am

Mik317 wrote:Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons


He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.
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Post#3190 » by freshie2 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:16 pm

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Mik317 wrote:Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons


He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.
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Post#3191 » by Bling76 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:39 pm

Smart is neither undersized nor a shooting guard. There are plenty of comparable players who overcame shooting woes became successful NBA-ers (Wall, Westbrook, Rose, Stephenson, Evans, Stuckey, etc.).
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Post#3192 » by Agnostifarian » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:41 pm

freshie2 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons


He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.


Smart has a defensive floor that will allow him to play 25 - 30 mpg immediately. Position wise, his defensive ceiling is higher than any player in this draft not named Embiid, IMO. As you are surely aware, Randle's defense is suspect until further notice. See the difference? That's the difference on D. On offense, Smart draws double teams and passes the ball to his open team mates. He's a facilitator. Randle? Hmmm, not so much. Both guys rebound well for their positions. And Randle has a screw loose. Advantage SMART!
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Post#3193 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:53 pm

freshie2 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons


He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.


Dwyane Wade has 3 championships and has been there 5 times. They also have very comparable stats in college, and that's with Wade redshirting a year.
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Post#3194 » by LloydFree » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:22 pm

freshie2 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Freshie has a thing against small guards....for reasons


He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.

Marcus Smart is top 5-7 because he has a near complete game. His only weakness is perimeter shooting, and it has been shown 'time and time again' that players improve their perimeter shooting in the pros.
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Post#3195 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:29 pm

LloydFree wrote:
freshie2 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.

Marcus Smart is top 5-7 because he has a near complete game. His only weakness is perimeter shooting, and it has been shown 'time and time again' that players improve their perimeter shooting in the pros.


I completely agree.

If our fans are capable of getting on board with Nerlens Noel, then they should have no problem with Smart. Fantastic defender and does everything extremely well... except for shooting. Even his shot isn't broken. If you watching highlights of Smart, you'll see him make a steal on defense, then throw a perfect pass down the court for fast break points. Those are the types of plays that change the game.

He is also a known flopper which, if you've been watching the Finals, is a prerequisite to being a star in the NBA.
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Post#3196 » by bebopdeluxe » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:32 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
freshie2 wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
He can save his hate for that midget, Gary Harris. Smart's not small and he's not short. His standing reach is the same as MCW's. Smart suffers from "short neck syndrome" and an erratic shot. He's a bit volatile and has an ugly mug, if you're looking for my thorough analysis. Smart is a badass baller.


You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.


Dwyane Wade has 3 championships and has been there 5 times. They also have very comparable stats in college, and that's with Wade redshirting a year.


Wade is a pretty good comparison...although I think a lot has changed in the decade since Wade entered the league. He "played through contact" a lot in college - as well as in the earlier part of his NBA career - and was successful in doing so...although we now see the toll it took on his body. There are some differnces - I think Smart will probably not play above the rim the way that DWade did, but he is also a better on-the-ball defender than Wade ever was. I just don't know if a 6'4" guy can be a dominant offensive player without blinding quickness or a consistent perimeter stroke. Wade was able to physically bludgeon people in the half-court, and I think that is what Smart will have tomdo to be successful. We'll see if he can do it.
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Post#3197 » by LloydFree » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:38 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
freshie2 wrote:
You hit it here...isn't he a less than 30% shooter from the college 3? In a separate string, Randle is getting killed due to his perimeter shot, yet Smart is a top 5 pick?? History doesn't show undersized SG's lead you to a championship, so what makes Smart different? He's very different than Iverson, but still an undersized SG. Until the rules are changed, I'll pass on this type of player at the top of the draft.

Marcus Smart is top 5-7 because he has a near complete game. His only weakness is perimeter shooting, and it has been shown 'time and time again' that players improve their perimeter shooting in the pros.


I completely agree.

If our fans are capable of getting on board with Nerlens Noel, then they should have no problem with Smart. Fantastic defender and does everything extremely well... except for shooting. Even his shot isn't broken. If you watching highlights of Smart, you'll see him make a steal on defense, then throw a perfect pass down the court for fast break points. Those are the types of plays that change the game.

He is also a known flopper which, if you've been watching the Finals, is a prerequisite to being a star in the NBA.

Some people don't like him because there is no easy comparable, so they don't know where he fits. Smart is a beast. He is an impact player and he sees the game a step ahead of everybody else on the court. He is one of the players in this draft, that I'll be most shocked if he isn't successful.
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Post#3198 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:45 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Marcus Smart is top 5-7 because he has a near complete game. His only weakness is perimeter shooting, and it has been shown 'time and time again' that players improve their perimeter shooting in the pros.


I completely agree.

If our fans are capable of getting on board with Nerlens Noel, then they should have no problem with Smart. Fantastic defender and does everything extremely well... except for shooting. Even his shot isn't broken. If you watching highlights of Smart, you'll see him make a steal on defense, then throw a perfect pass down the court for fast break points. Those are the types of plays that change the game.

He is also a known flopper which, if you've been watching the Finals, is a prerequisite to being a star in the NBA.

Some people don't like him because there is no easy comparable, so they don't know where he fits. Smart is a beast. He is an impact player and he sees the game a step ahead of everybody else on the court. He is one of the players in this draft, that I'll be most shocked if he isn't successful.


Travis Ford should use his own money to create a statue of Marcus Smart on OSU's campus. Smart is the only reason that man is still coach in Stillwater. He carried that team.
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Post#3199 » by snoopdogg88 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:58 pm

would absolutely love Smart on the Sixers but i could see him going as high as 4 to Orlando

someone will happily snatch him up
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Post#3200 » by Agnostifarian » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:02 pm

Now that is the kind of love that Smart deserves!
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