SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

Misteclipse · Post #321 » by **Misteclipse** » Fri Jun 1, 2012 7:33 pm

Rnd Mnd of Rbnd wrote:Let's say Lou opts in for whatever reason... does that effect our cap space to the point that it would prevent us from adding Deron/D12?

Include him in a Dwight Howard trade if that happens.

Post #322 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 1:20 am

Rnd Mnd of Rbnd wrote:Let's say Lou opts in for whatever reason... does that effect our cap space to the point that it would prevent us from adding Deron/D12?

I believe using the amnesty on Elton will give us about enough money to offered Deron a max contract. Lou Will opting in will not affect that. If Lou did opt out, we would just have an extra 6 mill or so in cap room.

Rnd Mnd of Rbnd · Post #323 » by **Rnd Mnd of Rbnd** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 1:34 am

Got it, thanks.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #324 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 1:35 am

sixers hoops wrote:
Rnd Mnd of Rbnd wrote:Let's say Lou opts in for whatever reason... does that effect our cap space to the point that it would prevent us from adding Deron/D12?

I believe using the amnesty on Elton will give us about enough money to offered Deron a max contract. Lou Will opting in will not affect that. If Lou did opt out, we would just have an extra 6 mill or so in cap room.

As far as I know, we would need to renounce Lou (assuming he opted out) in order to free up that cap room. I believe if he opted out, he would immediately cost about 2 million more (cap hold is over 7 mil if he does I think) than he would if he didn't opt out.

Anyone know the deadline for these guys with option to decide? I'm assuming it has to be before free agency is set to begin, right?

Post #325 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 2:31 am

The Sixer Fixer wrote:
sixers hoops wrote:
Rnd Mnd of Rbnd wrote:Let's say Lou opts in for whatever reason... does that effect our cap space to the point that it would prevent us from adding Deron/D12?

I believe using the amnesty on Elton will give us about enough money to offered Deron a max contract. Lou Will opting in will not affect that. If Lou did opt out, we would just have an extra 6 mill or so in cap room.

As far as I know, we would need to renounce Lou (assuming he opted out) in order to free up that cap room. I believe if he opted out, he would immediately cost about 2 million more (cap hold is over 7 mil if he does I think) than he would if he didn't opt out.

Anyone know the deadline for these guys with option to decide? I'm assuming it has to be before free agency is set to begin, right?

Deadline is before July 1st.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #326 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:07 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:Deadline is before July 1st.

Thanks! I figured it had to be.

Post #327 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:10 am

Okay, I just updated the team salary sticky with next year's salaries; and outlined some base scenarios.

I didn't include everything possible for obvious reasons (sorry Sam Young), but hopefully it provides a nice basis.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #328 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:36 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:Okay, I just updated the team salary sticky with next year's salaries; and outlined some base scenarios.

I didn't include everything possible for obvious reasons (sorry Sam Young), but hopefully it provides a nice basis.

Curious, say Lou opts-out...so now he's costing us over 7 million with his cap hold. Let's say we want to go after Eric Gordon, but we don't have enough room to make the offer....do we need to renounce Lou before we make an offer or can we make the offer, see how it plays out, then renounce him if Gordon takes the offer?

Basically, do you need to have the cap space to make an offer, or do you just need to free it up once it's accepted?

Post #329 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:44 am

The Sixer Fixer wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:Okay, I just updated the team salary sticky with next year's salaries; and outlined some base scenarios.

I didn't include everything possible for obvious reasons (sorry Sam Young), but hopefully it provides a nice basis.

Curious, say Lou opts-out...so now he's costing us over 7 million with his cap hold. Let's say we want to go after Eric Gordon, but we don't have enough room to make the offer....do we need to renounce Lou before we make an offer or can we make the offer, see how it plays out, then renounce him if Gordon takes the offer?

Basically, do you need to have the cap space to make an offer, or do you just need to free it up once it's accepted?

You need the cap space first.

However... If you renounce a fa and sign a restricted fa and have them matched, only under those circumstances can you un-renounce the cap hold and have bird rights back to your old players (assuming they didn't sign somewhere else already).

Also, its is worth remembering that the max for Gordon is ~13m, versus the 18m to Deron.

So, if your talking about a scenario (with Brand assumed amnestied), and Lou opts out:

Lavoy, the 15th pick, and Lou cap hold: 44,508,703 in salary (44,035,099 when making an offer so max offer with current cap would be ~14m a year, also only the with room exception no full mle)

You would have enough to offer an off rookie max contract (Gordon, Hibbert, ?). Same holds if you keep Hawes cap hold and renounce Lou's, as long as one is (and Meeks and Sam Young...)

The Sixer Fixer · Post #330 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:54 am

Thanks for the clarification.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #331 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:59 am

Oh, one other question.

A guy like Eric Gordon would not be a BYC player if we did do a S/T for him, right? As I understand it, you only become BYC (or whatever the new CBA calls it) if the team was over the cap after the signing (using bird rights). Since New Orleans would have the cap room to sign him to a max offer he would not get tagged as BYC, right?

Post #332 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 12:07 pm

The Sixer Fixer wrote:Oh, one other question.

A guy like Eric Gordon would not be a BYC player if we did do a S/T for him, right? As I understand it, you only become BYC (or whatever the new CBA calls it) if the team was over the cap after the signing (using bird rights). Since New Orleans would have the cap room to sign him to a max offer he would not get tagged as BYC, right?

Correct.

freshie2 · Post #333 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 1:15 pm

Just to flip this around, what if they don't get a max FA...who are the players thy should target? RFA's aside, who is a nice fit? Gerald Green? Illyasova? Kaman? Pryzbilla? Jeff Green?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Fre ... -2012-2013

SJSF · Post #334 » by **SJSF** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 3:14 pm

You can't pay Lou and Thad over MLE money for guys that don't start. Just let Lou walk. If you can't get him for 3-4m. Let him go.

Arsenal · Post #335 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:07 pm

freshie2 wrote:Just to flip this around, what if they don't get a max FA...who are the players thy should target? RFA's aside, who is a nice fit? Gerald Green? Illyasova? Kaman? Pryzbilla? Jeff Green?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Fre ... -2012-2013

Maybe also add Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries to the list. Signing Wallace for a reasonable amount ($6M per year?) could allow us to put him at SF, move Iguodala back to SG, and move Turner to the bench, or maybe trade him (perhaps in a package w/Young) for the best big man and/or draft pick we can get.

PG Holiday / Turner
SG Iguodala / Meeks
SF Wallace / Young
PF Humphries or Ilyasova / Allen
C Vucevic / Cheap FA or #15 pick

might be a nice lineup. Basically you're subtracting Hawes, Brand, and Williams from the rotation, and adding Wallace and Humphries or Ilyasova and the #15 pick. Might not be a big talent upgrade, but should be similar talentwise as Brand is falling off the cliff and Hawes is nothing special. Plus a MUCH better cap situation, as we'd be able to fill out the roster using the mid-level exception the next couple of years to add additional rotaton pieces as we'd be well under the luxury tax.

Post #336 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:22 pm

Arsenal wrote:
freshie2 wrote:Just to flip this around, what if they don't get a max FA...who are the players thy should target? RFA's aside, who is a nice fit? Gerald Green? Illyasova? Kaman? Pryzbilla? Jeff Green?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Fre ... -2012-2013

Maybe also add Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries to the list. Signing Wallace for a reasonable amount ($6M per year?) could allow us to put him at SF, move Iguodala back to SG, and move Turner to the bench, or maybe trade him (perhaps in a package w/Young) for the best big man and/or draft pick we can get.

PG Holiday / Turner
SG Iguodala / Meeks
SF Wallace / Young
PF Humphries or Ilyasova / Allen
C Vucevic / Cheap FA or #15 pick

might be a nice lineup. Basically you're subtracting Hawes, Brand, and Williams from the rotation, and adding Wallace and Humphries or Ilyasova and the #15 pick. Might not be a big talent upgrade, but should be similar talentwise as Brand is falling off the cliff and Hawes is nothing special. Plus a MUCH better cap situation, as we'd be able to fill out the roster using the mid-level exception the next couple of years to add additional rotaton pieces as we'd be well under the luxury tax.

Wallace isn't available at 6m a year. He's at 9.5 for next year if he doesn't opt out, and I wouldn't expect that figure to drop dramatically.

(Similarly for the post above that) Lou Williams isn't signing for 3m a year. He's at 5.35 for next year if he doesn't opt out, and I would expect that figure to increase.

Queue the complaints in the: 'when I was young, you could buy an all star for 2.5m a year, and that was overpaying' old man voice and the 'anything more then 50k a year is overpaid for playing a game, they would be making 7.50 an hour if not I tell you' angry voice.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #337 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:22 pm

Wallace is scheduled to make 9.5 million next year. You think he will opt out of that for 6 million? Not happening.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #338 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:23 pm

Sorry but Iguodala is not a shooting guard and adding Gerald Wallace would be an atrocious idea. This isn't NBA 2k.
I really don't think we should be going after these free agents in this class. I like a Gerald Green maybe at a reasonable price for what skills he could bring. Illyasova would be a welcomed addtion as well but lets not break the bank for a bum like Kris HUmphries or Brook the stripper Lopez.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #339 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 4:35 pm

Sixers working out 5 guys today.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/156555495.html

Michael Eric - Temple
Terrance Henry - Mississippi
Kyle O'Quinn - Norfolk State
John Shurna - Northwestern
Henry Sims - Georgetown

O'Quinn is a guy I would love to get at 45. Sims is the only other guy that intrigues me some.

I feel like the Sixers seem to focus (at least recently) on experienced college guys in the 2nd rd. Most of the recent picks have been Seniors or Juniors, haven't they?

The Sixer Fixer · Post #340 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Sat Jun 2, 2012 6:37 pm

Thoughts from Dei Lynam on DNL the other day....

1. Thinks Lou will opt-out and the Sixers will re-sign him (*puke*)
2. Said Lou needs to add strength.
3. Said ET was NOT happy about Doug's comment that he needs to get in better shape and lose 10 lbs.
4. Thinks we will see less than 5 new faces next year...she thinks maybe 3.
5. Didn't commit on her opinion as to whether Hawes will be back. Said bigs are always overpaid though.
6. Sounds like she doesn't think Sixers will amnesty Brand (bad FA market) and won't dump him unless using that $$
7. Thinks Doug will have a significant role in the personnel decisions this off-season.