Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[CoreyGallagher]

Forces Nerlens Noel to play out of position, killing his value.

Noel has less value because he's about to get paid.

Is a blackhole offensively and a negative player defensively, played a large role in 10-win season, while players drafted after him showed superstar potential, ultimately leading to Hinkie's firing.

He's not a blackhole offensively, with Ish he was actually among the most positively productive players on the team. He had the third highest ppp (1.13) behind Landry and Thompson.

Now we have to trade either him or Noel, but he has limited value because he's so awful defensively, and Noel has less value after playing PF all year to accommodate this dude.

FML.

Noel can't play PF, probably not too bad to know that now than in the future.

[51X3RF4N]

I have mixed feelings about this deal. On one hand, I do think Teague is a top 10-12 PG in the NBA. But I would prefer Dunn over Teague. But it would take more of a package to get back up into the draft high enough to get Dunn, while Teague is "cheaper" to acquire.

If you're trading Noel, I would think that means you're also NOT trading Okafor until you know if Embiid can remain healthy.

I do think Teague fits very nicely with Simmons. And if you can lock him up long term, he's the kind of vet you want on your team for sure.

[BullyKing]

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I'm not off the ledge yet but I'm taking a step back.

[phillthy13]

First legit trade rumor of the off-season, no surprise this has blown up. I'm thinking maybe this was leaked to show Noel's value. Many might not think Teague is valuable, but more than half of the league would take him as their starting PG. Would hate to see this actually happen though, reminds me of when we traded Jrue at what looks to have been his peak.

[steveb21]

An all-star caliber point guard for a one dimensional big man? Where do I sign up?

Teague is a nice fit next to Simmons and when he's not playing point he can play 'Byron Scott' to Simmons' 'Magic'. Yeah, he's 27 years old. He's in his prime. He could play another 5-6 years at a high level.

Edit: Also saw that Stauskas and Covington may be included in the deal. At first glance that looks bad but later in the article it mentions the Hawks may S&T Bazemore to us. Noel/Covington/Stauskas for Teague/Bazemore? Thoughts?

Still, nothing is imminent to at this point it's all conjecture.

[FlightBrothers]

Better players:

1) Paul
2) Curry
3) Westbrook
4) Irving
5) Wall
6) Lowry
7) Lillard
8) Conley

9) Teague (I would maybe put him here)

but then with young guys I would rather have

1) Smart
2) Russell
3) Knight/Bledsoe
4) Beverly
5) Holiday
6) Schroder
7) Exum

rankings are in no particular order, but I do not see any value to this trade for us. PASS!!

[MatthewGeigerII]

this shows that any ideas we (fans, boards, etc.) been having, like trading for a pick in that 15-20 range, or buying low on an injured prospect like exum or basically anything we've suggested that was kind of in the mind set of the hinkie era is totally going to be done. i think all of the moves BC is going to make are going to be similar to this kind of stuff, as opposed to trading for a player with upside or a high pick - which is unfortunate because my favorite part of hinkie's moves was the feeling of "hope". Trading for a player like this has a feeling of "well it can only go down from here" or laziness - when discovering a gem through some kind of analytics magic like discovering covington and such was fun for me. i hope he still keeps it fresh and doesn't make short sighted moves. i really hope.

also - any projected starting 5 for the beginning of next season can not include embiid, even if he is ready. he is probably going to be brought in slowly as the backup center with training wheels until he 1- shows he is healthy enough to last 25+ minutes a night and 2- i would think he would have to show that he is outplaying the starting center too at that time for brett to make the move. point being, in moving nerlens.. jah is probably going to move back to the 5 to start (maybe next to simmons). will be interesting to see this on D

[BullyKing]

An all-star caliber point guard for a one dimensional big man? Where do I sign up?

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[KingKyrie1]

If BC is gonna screw you of all your hard work, assets and time spent during this rebuilding process if I were you i'd just take a gun and end it.

[Ericb5]

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I'm not off the ledge yet but I'm taking a step back.

That makes sense to me. These rumors do what they are supposed to do, which is generate buzz and make people talk about it. They don't have to be based in anything beyond just talks.

I thought about this a lot last night and on the drive to work this morning.

Covington and Stauskus are non factors. They don't move the needle for me either way. I think that Covington has more value and we could get use out of him, but his inclusion isn't a deal breaker for me.

It makes no sense to me that we would trade for someone like Teague without an extension. If he doesn't extend with us as a condition of the deal then there should be no deal.

However, if he DOES extend with us for a reasonable deal, then I definitely see the benefits. He is a much better player than Noel today, and we have to trade either Noel or Okafor. So this relieves pressure in the front court, while vastly improving our back court. I would hope that we would be getting something else beyond Teague too.

So if this means that we try it out with Okafor then that is a big positive for me. Noel sort of is what he is. I know he is young and can do well in a specific role, but he has shown that he has a very low BB IQ, and doesn't have much capacity to learn. Seeing as we have 3, if not 4(Embiid, Okafor, Simmons, Saric) better players than him in the front court, it isn't like we need him.

The only real issue is whether or not we can get more for him elsewhere.

Teague would improve us tremendously right away, and is a very good, smart point guard, defender, and shooter. People wouldn't have expected us to be able to attract that kind of player via free agency, and so the only real thing would be the opportunity cost of not trading Noel for something else.

I like Noel a lot less than most of the people on this board I think, or I should say, that I have a lot less hope for him improving than most of the board. I would MUCH rather trade him for Teague than trade Okafor for Murray or Dunn.

So while this could easily be much ado about nothing, if it IS true I like it as long as he extends with us right away. If he is a rental then it is a disaster.

[BobThornton]

Well, Teague was plastered to the bench in the key moments of their playoff games this year.

Shot 38% from the field and 25% from 3 in the postseason. Didn't look good at all. With a year left on his deal, no idea why Atlanta would be able to sell high on him now.

[Skates]

Enough with the Teague as an All-Star crap, we were giddy when we screwed NOLA with that same Jrue made the All-Star team once in a weak East backcourt, don't reverse the logic with Teague who isn't nearly as young or under contract for a bunch of years like Jrue was (of course we apparently hid the stress fracture issues, but the trade was made without those being factored in).

No one is saying Teague is a bad player either, he is a pretty good player, but also one who benefited greatly from the system in Atlanta as much as Noel suffered from the lack of any surrounding cast and problems being forced to play with Okafor. Were Teague 2 years younger and under contract for two years at a minimum, even at a higher rate than his current sweetheart deal, I wouldn't argue so much, but he isn't. Having been underpaid the last few years he is certainly going to look to break the bank in FA, meaning you send out two guys who fit your new potential franchise number one pick and are young and will be RFA's, not UFA's in a year (I may be wrong on Covington on that). Big difference in RFA vs UFA, and huge difference in the kinds of salary a longer term vet can acquire as opposed to a guy coming off of a rookie contract.

As a player I like Teague because he is more of a combo guard whose game would fit with Simmons, Saric and interior bigs and cold potentially play next to a top notch PG from next year's draft and eventually slide into a third guard role down the line...if he was here and under contract.

Could there be sweeteners added coming back that might balance the trade, possibly, but it doesn't sound like it.

Noel is an incredibly good fit on a team that loves to go small and has a stretch four that can rebound with some muscle, he can blow up into defensive POTY material with ease.

I would like to have Teague on my team, but given his contract situation, not at the prices quoted, not even close. Give me a different price and my tune changes quite a bit, though his age still is not a fit. And counting on Embiid, scary stupid, just plain scary and utterly stupid.

[Skates]

Well, Teague was plastered to the bench in the key moments of their playoff games this year.

Shot 38% from the field and 25% from 3 in the postseason. Didn't look good at all. With a year left on his deal, no idea why Atlanta would be able to sell high on him now.

Um, because Bryan Colangelo got a GM job??

[Kobblehead]

Per wiretap:

Discussions between the 76ers and Atlanta Hawks on a Noel for Jeff Teague trade surfaced on Thursday.

Philadelphia is also including Nik Stauskas and Robert Covington in the deal.

Is this real life? What in the hell is going on?

[CoreyGallagher]

Per wiretap:

Discussions between the 76ers and Atlanta Hawks on a Noel for Jeff Teague trade surfaced on Thursday.

Philadelphia is also including Nik Stauskas and Robert Covington in the deal.

Is this real life? What in the hell is going on?

RealGM seems to get their wiretap information from Pompey, he's cited often. Regarding where he got this from, I'm assuming he piggy backed and is including information from past rumors.

[rzzzzz]

Forces Nerlens Noel to play out of position, killing his value.
FML.

Nerlens back in his position after getting Ish was OK, but not exactly inspiring. Now, Embiid is about to turn him into a back-up, killing his value since he can't play anything else.

I'd like to see Nerlens flipped for a guard prospect with a good shot, like Murray or Shield. but Teague was an all-star last year.
I'd also be OK with OK4 being traded for Ingram, straight up.

[sixers23]

Forces Nerlens Noel to play out of position, killing his value.
FML.

Nerlens back in his position after getting Ish was OK, but not exactly inspiring. Now, Embiid is about to turn him into a back-up, killing his value since he can't play anything else.

I'd like to see Nerlens flipped for a guard prospect with a good shot, like Murray or Shield. but Teague was an all-star last year.
I'd also be OK with OK4 being traded for Ingram, straight up.

lakers laugh and hang up the phone

[Kobblehead]

Why are people so against "overpaying" for Noel on his next contract? He's on a historical DBPM trajectory. Even as a back-up, he'll be playing 25-30 minutes a night. It's not like that money will be going to waste.

The Cavs are paying $17 mill per for a rebounding specialist. That trait is that important for an interior player.

Protecting the rim is equally important for an interior player. With Embiid and Noel, we protect the rim for 60 minutes a night. I'm fine with paying a premium for a positional necessity like a big that protects the rim at the level Noel does.

Trading him for a dime a dozen, nearly 30 year old PG is just an awful, illogical move, any way you slice it. Amplified with the fact that said player would cost double Nerlens Noel on his next contract.

[Sundown]

Noel at those numbers is certainly a better asset than a 30 year old Teague at $25M.

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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Okafor has shown he can play power forward in spurts. We know Embiid is going to be on minutes restriction his first year back. Noel (while being a nice defensive player) is strictly a center who is going to want starter minutes, with starter pay. It makes sense to move him and at least try to see if it can work with Okafor/Embiid. Plenty of minutes to go around.

I do agree that adding Covington, and Stauskus just for Teague is a bit much, but maybe Bazemore comes over too. Like it or not BC is going to shorten this process. Many believe Ben Simmons is a bona fide superstar in the making. Many also believe Embiid is the next Hakeem, while others feel Okafor is a stud offensive big man in the making. The three of the (Simmons, Embiid, Okafor), signal the end of this tanking crap. You add Teague, and possibly Bazemore to the roster and suddenly we look like a possible playoff team.