Celtics fans seem to favor Noel

[GregB]

Well i think they prefer noel in part because they think they can give up less to get him.

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

[joyeuxnoel]

Well i think they prefer noel in part because they think they can give up less to get him.

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

[Skates]

Well i think they prefer noel in part because they think they can give up less to get him.

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

Defensive minded big men are in vogue, I think many here are undervaluing Noel, even with RFA status after next season.

[Ericb5]

Well i think they prefer noel in part because they think they can give up less to get him.

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

What the heck are we going to do with 16 and 23?

We already HAVE more first round picks than we want.


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[joyeuxnoel]

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

What the heck are we going to do with 16 and 23?

We already HAVE more first round picks than we want.

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good point. im just throwing around a package thinking of noel's value in my mind, not what would be best for the team.

part of the problem is also that I was envisoning a package around Bradley, and theres no way the Celtics give us #3 for noel, so I was trying to think of what is fair value to package Bradley with

[joyeuxnoel]

Yup.

Knowing Ainge, he is probably offering a package center around Avery Bradley, Rozier and either 16 or 23 for Noel.

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

Defensive minded big men are in vogue, I think many here are undervaluing Noel, even with RFA status after next season.

what do you think is a the best offer we could get from the Celtics or any other team for noel?

I don't see anyone trading us a top 5 pick for him, or packaging him along with one of our lower picks or lakers pick for a star

[spikeslovechild]

Rozier i don't want.

I'd do bradley, 16, and 23 for noel

Defensive minded big men are in vogue, I think many here are undervaluing Noel, even with RFA status after next season.

what do you think is a the best offer we could get from the Celtics or any other team for noel?

I don't see anyone trading us a top 5 pick for him, or packaging him along with one of our lower picks or lakers pick for a star

I think if thats the case we are better off letting him finish his rookie deal with us.

Unlike Okafor who I wouldn't be looking to move Noel should be available for the right price. He can't play PF. Even if Embiid can't play significant minutes this season at some point he will. You can't afford to pay a backup center 20 million on a max deal. Or even 16-18 million.

If he was willing to accept a deal in the 10 million range sure. Thats elite backup money and probably worth the premium you are paying for insurance against Embiid.
But why would Noel accept such a role? More to the point if some team offers a comparable young player at a position of need why not accept it?

You can always slide Okafor back to Center if Embiid ends up a gimp.

[marcush]

I still think that we can't really start making roster decisions around fit with Embiid in mind. As long as he gets his 15 - 20 mins per game next year that's all we can really ask for.

We really need to pick who we want to play at C between Okafor and Noel. Neither are 4's and its looking optimistic that we will have 2 better options to play that role shortly in Simmons and Saric.

So, if Embiid never makes it we need a C. Who do you want? The scorer or the defender?

If Embiid develops perfectly then that's just great. We trade the remaining center then. Personally, that's not an issue but an absolute dream scenario.

[basketballRob]

Would you guys consider Oladipo straight up for Noel. I think it makes sense for both teams.

[Unbreakable99]

Would you guys consider Oladipo straight up for Noel. I think it makes sense for both teams.

I do think it's a pretty fair trade. I don't know if I do it though because I value Noel as Embiid insurance. If there were no health concerns with Embiid I might be more inclined to do it.

[sixers4real]

Would you guys consider Oladipo straight up for Noel. I think it makes sense for both teams.

I agree. Fair trade. But I would rather keep Noel and get Dunn + Smart/Bradley/Knight for Okafor.

[basketballRob]

Would you guys consider Oladipo straight up for Noel. I think it makes sense for both teams.

I do think it's a pretty fair trade. I don't know if I do it though because I value Noel as Embiid insurance. If there were no health concerns with Embiid I might be more inclined to do it.

Yeah we're not sure how big a jump Hezonja will have in his second year either.

Maybe that's a deal that could happen around the deadline.

[LloydFree]

I still think that we can't really start making roster decisions around fit with Embiid in mind. As long as he gets his 15 - 20 mins per game next year that's all we can really ask for.

We really need to pick who we want to play at C between Okafor and Noel. Neither are 4's and its looking optimistic that we will have 2 better options to play that role shortly in Simmons and Saric.

So, if Embiid never makes it we need a C. Who do you want? The scorer or the defender?

If Embiid develops perfectly then that's just great. We trade the remaining center then. Personally, that's not an issue but an absolute dream scenario.

The defender. You can win in the league with a zero offense, all defense Center. You cannot win with a zero defense Center.

[sixers4real]

The way I see it - if Embiid is healthy the PLAN goes right, if not - we fail.
With that said, choosing between Okafor and Noel, I would trade Okafor. And keep Noel as a 20 min big man of the bench.
Embiid, if healthy will still probably miss around 15 games each year, so Noel is there.

[spikeslovechild]

I still think that we can't really start making roster decisions around fit with Embiid in mind. As long as he gets his 15 - 20 mins per game next year that's all we can really ask for.

We really need to pick who we want to play at C between Okafor and Noel. Neither are 4's and its looking optimistic that we will have 2 better options to play that role shortly in Simmons and Saric.

So, if Embiid never makes it we need a C. Who do you want? The scorer or the defender?

If Embiid develops perfectly then that's just great. We trade the remaining center then. Personally, that's not an issue but an absolute dream scenario.

Okafor can play the 4.

Will he struggle guarding the quicker smaller tweener PF sure but they will be an absolute disaster on the defensive end going up against Okafor. He's hard enough to defend when you send a big body on him.

Noel will never be able to play the PF well because he can't back down these small PF's on offense, has no jumpshot, and won't come out to on defense. It's pretty clear to anyone who watched games that Noel was a disaster at PF.

Okafor wasn't great but I don't think he was awful either. I'd like to see him more time at PF. People harp on his footspeed but what they don't realize is with his length he doesn't need play right up on his guy. He can give him some space and still contest shots.

[sixers4real]

I still think that we can't really start making roster decisions around fit with Embiid in mind. As long as he gets his 15 - 20 mins per game next year that's all we can really ask for.

We really need to pick who we want to play at C between Okafor and Noel. Neither are 4's and its looking optimistic that we will have 2 better options to play that role shortly in Simmons and Saric.

So, if Embiid never makes it we need a C. Who do you want? The scorer or the defender?

If Embiid develops perfectly then that's just great. We trade the remaining center then. Personally, that's not an issue but an absolute dream scenario.

Okafor can play the 4.

Will he struggle guarding the quicker smaller tweener PF sure but they will be an absolute disaster on the defensive end going up against Okafor. He's hard enough to defend when you send a big body on him.

Noel will never be able to play the PF well because he can't back down these small PF's on offense, has no jumpshot, and won't come out to on defense. It's pretty clear to anyone who watched games that Noel was a disaster at PF.

Okafor wasn't great but I don't think he was awful either. I'd like to see him more time at PF. People harp on his footspeed but what they don't realize is with his length he doesn't need play right up on his guy. He can give him some space and still contest shots.

I don't see Okafor as a 4 in todays NBA. He's a scoring Center.

[Ericb5]

The way I see it - if Embiid is healthy the PLAN goes right, if not - we fail.
With that said, choosing between Okafor and Noel, I would trade Okafor. And keep Noel as a 20 min big man of the bench.
Embiid, if healthy will still probably miss around 15 games each year, so Noel is there.

I have sounded a similar mantra in the past, but now that we won the lottery, and have a chance to draft Ben Simmons, we now have an alternate path to contending.

We have two players that can be foundational. If they both work out then awesome, but if one of them works out we can still build a contender.


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[PhilasFinest]

I love when people say keep Noel as a big man off the bench.

None of these dudes will be coming off the bench after their rookie deals expire, and the idea is flawed when you pair the notion of playing a top 5 pick off your bench with a contract upwards of 15+M a year.


This is NOT an ideal situation for any of the players. Id bet a ton of money that they are not happy with it and won't be until someone is moved or their contract expires and gives them a chance to bolt and find a better situation for themselves.

[Arsenal]

If we ship Okafor and keep Noel, then Noel should start at C and Embiid should come off the bench the first year. Embiid will probably be on a ~25 mpg minute restriction the first year anyway.

[spikeslovechild]

If we ship Okafor and keep Noel, then Noel should start at C and Embiid should come off the bench the first year. Embiid will probably be on a ~25 mpg minute restriction the first year anyway.

Okay that works for this year what about next year. Noel is an RFA. Do we resign him?

It makes zero sense to keep Noel over Okafor. More to the point trading Okafor accomplishes nothing when it comes to solving our logjam at center. Okafor is our PF. Embiid is our center. Noel can only play center.

The only way Noel becomes a starter is if we trade Embiid.