2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Nah I think Barnes has legit shotcreating talent.

He creates more off the dribble than Bouknight and those boys I was just talking about. And he's like 30-40 pounds heavier than them.

Wait what? Kobble please. Barnes has the lane drive to the right, take that away he has not much at all.

He really is Draymond Green 2.0 down to the wire at every step of the way and I don’t throw out Draymond Green comps lightly. We have our bigger Draymond anyway with Ben.

Bouknight also gets to the line 2x more than Barnes.
Bouknight also is already a 3 level scorer and can run PnRs.

Sorry Kobble but for me, and Im no expert.

Unless there will be some miracle, Barnes has Draymond Green written all over. Floor would be someone like Aaron Gordon.

Thats a transition player, opportunistic scorer, facilitator… ..oh wait just read scouting report on Draymond and Ben

[Negrodamus]

I'm going to do a McBride/Mann breakdown on their matchup after I watch the game tonight. I already gave the statline, which shows a close to break even, so it should be interesting to see how an elite scorer like Mann gets completely shut down. Like, he is literally the only non-positive UF starter in the game.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2021-01-30-14-west-virginia.html

After watching the first half, I think I actually underrate McBride. I’ll post my thoughts tomorrow, but McBride sought out Mann on defense and completely obliterated him while Mann avoided defending him. If we had two players on our team that play with the same mindset as McBride, we’d still be playing. He is relentless and talented. Should be top 15, no question.

[DCasey91]

Miles mcbride. Winning player plays both ends. Kind of like a smaller version of marcus smart. Jump shot heavy and struggles to score on halfcourt.

I dont think he’s a guy we need nor do i think he can run a ton of PnR and ISO.

Look for our team now as constructed, McBride would be a very welcome addition.

[76ciology]

Shake Milton Upside as a scorer:
Ayo
Hyland
Mann
Butler
Mitchell
Christopher
^ranked

Most natural as a playmaker/scorer (a guy who can run PnR for full 48 mins that can also get to the rim) is Ayo out of that group.

Then Mann and Hyland, then Chrisopher.

Lastly would be Butler and Mitchell (these two have low FTr).

[76ciology]

Miles mcbride. Winning player plays both ends. Kind of like a smaller version of marcus smart. Jump shot heavy and struggles to score on halfcourt.

I dont think he’s a guy we need nor do i think he can run a ton of PnR and ISO.

Look for our team now as constructed, McBride would be a very welcome addition.

And you like how our team is constructed? Haha

McBride is OK if we have James Harden instead of Ben Simmons.

[DCasey91]

Miles mcbride. Winning player plays both ends. Kind of like a smaller version of marcus smart. Jump shot heavy and struggles to score on halfcourt.

I dont think he’s a guy we need nor do i think he can run a ton of PnR and ISO.

Look for our team now as constructed, McBride would be a very welcome addition.

And you like how our team is constructed? Haha

McBride is OK if we have James Harden instead of Ben Simmons.

Our team is constructed by Dr. Frankenstein lol last year it was even worse.

I’m actually okay with a Peyton Pritchard/FVV type to go along with a CJ/Lavine type works out better for the team.

McBride can shoot. If you can shoot and handle you can play with Ben lol.

That’s the PG/SG pairing (I’m traditional here because guess what our best player should play how Ayton is, not superstar gas out at 3qr time take 25 shots).

20 FGA max, DPOY impact.

So the SG and our Center will get their 40 shots, the PG can shoot and actually be a PG, defend, pass, and facilitate, 3&D, and treat Ben as an old school non shooting PF rollman/passing playmaking forward. Or better yet play him how he was played in College.

Super easy. People say we’ll struggle to score if our go to is CJ/Lavine as the one an only option, but I digress. The dynamic of the team and balance is what I’m looking for here.

[76ciology]

Look for our team now as constructed, McBride would be a very welcome addition.

And you like how our team is constructed? Haha

McBride is OK if we have James Harden instead of Ben Simmons.

Our team is constructed by Dr. Frankenstein lol last year it was even worse.

I’m actually okay with a Peyton Pritchard/FVV type to go along with a CJ/Lavine type works out better for the team.

McBride can shoot. If you can shoot and handle you can play with Ben lol.

That’s the PG/SG pairing (I’m traditional here because guess what our best player should play how Ayton is, not superstar gas out at 3qr time take 25 shots).

20 FGA max, DPOY impact.

So the SG and our Center will get their 40 shots, the PG can shoot and actually be a PG, defend, pass, and facilitate, 3&D, and treat Ben as an old school non shooting PF rollman/passing playmaking forward. Or better yet play him how he was played in College.

Super easy. People say we’ll struggle to score if our go to is CJ/Lavine as the one an only option, but I digress. The dynamic of the team and balance is what I’m looking for here.

You saw the Milton-Maxey-GHill dynamic? That’s gonna happen if you dont have a really good shooter/scorer/penetrator on dribble drive.

McBride is just gonna drive then kick it out like GHill because he can’t get to the rim.

You need someone who can shoot like Milton and drive like Maxey.

[DCasey91]

Please 76ciology read what I wrote.

Which of those three is actually starter quality? Answer none of them.

FVV
CJ
Green
Simmons
Embiid

Is so much better then any other team construction we’ve had besides the Butler one.

[76ciology]

Is Bouknight better than Maxey?

[76ciology]

The more i look at this draft, the more i think this draft is trash. Lol

Maxey could be a top 6-10 pick in this draft

[Tomjas]

The more i look at this draft, the more i think this draft is trash. Lol

Maxey could be a top 6-10 pick in this draft

Glad someone else feels this way

I was completely underwhelmed by the Gonzaga guys and 2 of them are forecast top 10

Don’t want to trash a young Australian but Josh Giddey is forecast to go 10-13 and isn’t in the same stratosphere as Simmons or Exum as an athlete

He’s more Ingles than Simmons

That’s potentially a good player but top 10?

Having said that, the world is in a weird place atm and wouldn’t be surprised to see someone do a Jimmy Butler as lots of these kids have missed out on a considerable amount of development time due to the pandemic

[76ciology]

The more i look at this draft, the more i think this draft is trash. Lol

Maxey could be a top 6-10 pick in this draft

Glad someone else feels this way

I was completely underwhelmed by the Gonzaga guys and 2 of them are forecast top 10

Don’t want to trash a young Australian but Josh Giddey is forecast to go 10-13 and isn’t in the same stratosphere as Simmons or Exum as an athlete

He’s more Ingles than Simmons

That’s potentially a good player but top 10?

Having said that, the world is in a weird place atm and wouldn’t be surprised to see someone do a Jimmy Butler as lots of these kids have missed out on a considerable amount of development time due to the pandemic

I think its because of Cade, Jalen and possibly Kuminga. Star caliber SFs in the draft is hard to come by. Even the league is starving for star wings.

But the NBA is about guard play nowadays and I find this class to be weak on guards. Suggs is a good prospect but Im not crazy on a future 18-5-5 guard. The craze nowadays is on the 20+ppg guards. The best one that fits this category is Bouknight and Im not even sure he’s better than Maxey.

Giddey? Arent you tired of these scams of 6’8” PGs. You see a lot of these guys every year trying to fool teams to draft them in the lottery because they’re “unique”.

[76ciology]

My mock 3.0 (based on eyetest, trend and data)

Possibly stars
1- Green (3 level scorer with highest upside)
2- Cunningham (i find him as a weak overall #1 prospect)
3- Kuminga (because of upside and skillset to play SF)
4- Suggs (can run modern offense)
5- Wagner (2 way wing who can shoot and run PnR)
6- Mobley (high upside but who cares. He’s just gonna catch lobs lol)
7- Tre Mann (elite PnR and elite shooter off the dribble)
8- Bouknight (projects to be a high level PnR scorer)
9- Cam Thomas (underrated possibly the best scorer in the draft)

Likely role players
10- Barnes (a winning player but limited on halfcourt)
11- Osunmu (gets to the paint at will on PnR)
12- Moody (efficient shooter, youth and length)
13- Hyland (1.023 ppp on ISO 6th overall; milton 2.0 role)
14- Jalen Johnson (solid starter PF)
15- Butler (elite c&s player. Milton 2.0 role and upside; low FTr)
16- Mitchell (low FTr and size issue)
17- Kispert (can play that joe harris role)
18- Chris Duarte

[76ciology]

Whats not to like with Franz Wagner?

I think he’s very underrated in this draft. Numbers and eyetest checks both boxes.

He can shoot, run PnR and plays 2 way.

[Tomjas]

Kispert is a low rent JJ

[76ciology]

Kispert is a low rent JJ

Future $20m per year player

[DCasey91]

My 11 Favs from this draft (Not the best just my favs).

1. Jalen Green
2. Jalen Suggs
3. Evan Mobley
4. Tre Mann
5. Josh Christopher
6. James “Boogie” Bouknight
7. Jared Butler
8. Roko Prkacin
9. Trey Murphy
10. Filip Petrusev
11. Josh Giddey

Like watching all of them play throughout.

I’m lukewarm on all the other guys. But these 11 I like the most.

Honourable Mentions: Joe Wieskamp, Chris Duarte (Why does he have to be so old? lol) and McBride.

[Kobblehead]

Spoiler:

Nah I think Barnes has legit shotcreating talent.

He creates more off the dribble than Bouknight and those boys I was just talking about. And he's like 30-40 pounds heavier than them.

Wait what? Kobble please. Barnes has the lane drive to the right, take that away he has not much at all.

He really is Draymond Green 2.0 down to the wire at every step of the way and I don’t throw out Draymond Green comps lightly. We have our bigger Draymond anyway with Ben.

Bouknight also gets to the line 2x more than Barnes.
Bouknight also is already a 3 level scorer and can run PnRs.

Sorry Kobble but for me, and Im no expert.

Unless there will be some miracle, Barnes has Draymond Green written all over. Floor would be someone like Aaron Gordon.

Thats a transition player, opportunistic scorer, facilitator… ..oh wait just read scouting report on Draymond and Ben

Free throw rate:
Bouknight: .365
Barnes: .338

Who scores more unassisted buckets? The 230 pound Scottie Barnes or the 190 pound James Bouknight? I rest my case.

Also, not sure if Bouknight is really a 3 level guy. His handle isn't good enough to slash and he's still apprehensive with the three ball. The majority of his buckets was him using a screen and pulling up in the midrange. A lot of the guards being overrated (IMO) in this draft have that in common.

[DCasey91]

Bouknight’s ceiling is skinny Jamal with less polish. There is the Lavine comp but Lavine is 100% taller. And Lavine had an amazing development curve (serious worker even after an ACL).

Though he has high upside attributes to him so he can’t go down far on draft night.

College Murray was 200+ pounds easy, better shooter, more clinical with the ball and had many more big games (covid obv but Murray is the superior talent).

Boogie Bouknight I like he can def score (all the draft followers won’t be surprised if he averages 20 and is the second best pure scorer in the draft. Both Christopher’s and Bouknight 3 ball % can be a little misleading. Last six games Josh hit 40%+ on volume and his FT% is fine.
Bouknight came back from injury during college (35%) and his FT% is fine as well.

If anyone is going to do a Butler it’s Josh. Have a look at his measurables, weight, wingspan, psychical as hell etc.

He has the tools just needs the hard work put in.

If Christopher puts it altogether he could be a slightly lesser version of Jimmy but that’s still a damn good player.

More I think about Josh Christopher the more I reckon he’ll outdo his draft position.

[stormi]

Tre Mann has to be a 76er... The way he can manipulate defenses so easily off the dribble is so magic to watch. Almost gives me pre-draft Fultz vibes. Effortless jumper too.

Seems like a can't miss prospect for his range like Haliburton did last year.