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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#781 » by Arsenal » Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:36 pm

Zumramania wrote:https://basketballforever.com/2021/12/10/the-nbas-worst-contracts-in-2021-22-2

According to this guy, we currently have 2 out of 5 worst contracts in the entire NBA (Simmons + Harris). And this guy thinks Harris is "a very good player" lol. I know that we are kinda aware of this, but it is crazy when you put things into context. Morey really has a difficult job.



Tobias is the 13th highest paid player in the Association, while he's a borderline top 50 player.

Jesus... Elton, Josh Harris and the clown show are STONE COLD MORONS.
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Post#782 » by elchengue20 » Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:34 pm

Give a 26 year old guy (whos supposed to be scorer) averaging 14 ppg in the Playoffs a 170 millon max contract. What could possible go wrong.

Everybody with half a brain knew it was a TERRIBLE contract the day he signed.


Its really mind blowing there is always some NBA executives stupid enough to sign deals like this.
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Post#783 » by mjkvol » Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:45 pm

Zumramania wrote:https://basketballforever.com/2021/12/10/the-nbas-worst-contracts-in-2021-22-2

According to this guy, we currently have 2 out of 5 worst contracts in the entire NBA (Simmons + Harris). And this guy thinks Harris is "a very good player" lol. I know that we are kinda aware of this, but it is crazy when you put things into context. Morey really has a difficult job.


Sshhhhhh ... we need for that to be the narrative around the league on Harris. As long as Morey is aware of the reality.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#784 » by 76ciology » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:22 am

Not talked about..

The reason why Tobi struggles with shooting his 3s is he jumps forward on them. So he does not just need space to take it but he’s basically moving from the point of release like a player taking fade away jumpers which hurts a jumper’s accuracy.

Yes, there are some exemption like JJ. But in most cases, this hurts a shooter’s accuracy
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#785 » by mjkvol » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:40 pm

76ciology wrote:Not talked about..

The reason why Tobi struggles with shooting his 3s is he jumps forward on them. So he does not just need space to take it but he’s basically moving from the point of release like a player taking fade away jumpers which hurts a jumper’s accuracy.

Yes, there are some exemption like JJ. But in most cases, this hurts a shooter’s accuracy


Shooting the 3 ball has been completely antithetical to Tobias' game throughout his career, so it makes sense that his form would be bad. One of the primary reasons he's a bad fit here.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#786 » by stormi » Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:28 pm

If Morey canvassed the league, and the only player he could get back in a Harris trade was Russell Westbrook, would y'all do it?

This one has me in a bind because Westbrook might be my least favorite player in the history of the game. Completely boneheaded, defensive sieve and the propensity to collapse on his team in the playoffs continually due to poor decision making and letting players get under his skin.

But, I also can't stand Harris and Russ at the very least is off that toxic contract a year earlier.

I also think Russ could do some things if the team were him and Joel and 3 shooters lineup. Utilize him like Ben, grabbing boards running the break and finding shooters. Russ can slash a bit from the perimeter and is an okay facilitator even though his turnover rate is absurd.

Not sure if this is a grass is greener scenario, but I'd consider it. More boom / bust potential here.

Even John Wall too actually, what are Houston doing with him... Harris could be a good leader for those kids and Wall wants to play.
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Post#787 » by mjkvol » Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:47 pm

stormi wrote:If Morey canvassed the league, and the only player he could get back in a Harris trade was Russell Westbrook, would y'all do it?

This one has me in a bind because Westbrook might be my least favorite player in the history of the game. Completely boneheaded, defensive sieve and the propensity to collapse on his team in the playoffs continually due to poor decision making and letting players get under his skin.

But, I also can't stand Harris and Russ at the very least is off that toxic contract a year earlier.

I also think Russ could do some things if the team were him and Joel and 3 shooters lineup. Utilize him like Ben, grabbing boards running the break and finding shooters. Russ can slash a bit from the perimeter and is an okay facilitator even though his turnover rate is absurd.

Not sure if this is a grass is greener scenario, but I'd consider it. More boom / bust potential here.

Even John Wall too actually, what are Houston doing with him... Harris could be a good leader for those kids and Wall wants to play.


Wall I would definitely do. Westbrook might be one of the few players in the league where I'd actually have to think about it, as I agree with you on him, but the one less year would make me do that one, too.

For all his negatives, Westbrook's game still fits here better than Tobias. The problem would be the lack of lineups that might work with him. You're certainly not going to have him on the floor with Thybulle and Drummond.
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Post#788 » by Kobblehead » Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:07 pm

I'd take John Wall, but hell no to Westbrook.
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Post#789 » by the_process » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:42 am

Wall yes. Easily.

Westbrook absolutely not.
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Post#790 » by 76ciology » Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:58 am

Westbrook or Wall? No.

You’ll hurt your team having these “inefficient nonscoring non shooting” PGs who needs to have the ball on their hands for them to be effective than just having a collective group of guards who can dribble drive.

For instance if i have to beat your team, I’ll just let Westbrook or Wall do their thing where i will beat you in points per possessions.

Our guards may not be as good, but collectively we can be surgical and find the good shot on every possession than just letting Wall or Westbrook just brick most of the shots or turn the ball over.

You may say Embiid is there and it will take some of the load to improve their efficiency, but it wont work because as i said in my first statement, they need the ball on their hands or else they’d be a negative on the court.

For Tobias, you probably is at best to trade him for overpaid one dimensional sharp shooters like Duncan Robinson, Bertans, Kevin Love? or Joe Harris. Or possibly 3&D players like Robert Covington or Reggie Bullock.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#791 » by Kobblehead » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:53 pm

I liked what I saw from Wall the last time we saw him play. Was shooting 7+ threes per 36.
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Post#792 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:11 am

40 pages for this feels a bit ambitious.

Without looking, what are the odds 15 pages are from a single poster?
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Post#793 » by the_process » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:19 am

Only 3 1/2, thank you very much.
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Post#794 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:07 pm

It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.

Couple that with a Simmons/Curry for Fox/Harkless...


Fox/Maxey/Springer
LeVert/Green/Joe
Warren/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harkless/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey
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Post#795 » by mjkvol » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:49 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.



I love it, but regardless of whether it's a rebuild or re-tool, why would Indiana have any use for Harris? I would think they'd be after youth and picks.
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Post#796 » by stormi » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:52 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.

Couple that with a Simmons/Curry for Fox/Harkless...


Fox/Maxey/Springer
LeVert/Green/Joe
Warren/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harkless/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


It's so hard to imagine this starting 5 functionally. No defense, no shooting, limited athleticism.
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Post#797 » by Tomjas » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:14 pm

stormi wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.

Couple that with a Simmons/Curry for Fox/Harkless...


Fox/Maxey/Springer
LeVert/Green/Joe
Warren/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harkless/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


It's so hard to imagine this starting 5 functionally. No defense, no shooting, limited athleticism.


Plus Warren has only played a handful of games in the last 2 years
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Post#798 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:35 pm

stormi wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.

Couple that with a Simmons/Curry for Fox/Harkless...


Fox/Maxey/Springer
LeVert/Green/Joe
Warren/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harkless/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


It's so hard to imagine this starting 5 functionally. No defense, no shooting, limited athleticism.


How about Simmons for Ingram (3-way deal) followed by Harris/Curry/Milton for McCollum/Covington?


McCollum/Maxey/Springer
Green/Korkmaz/Joe
Ingram/Thybulle
Covington/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Edgecombe/Grimes/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Barlow/Watford/Walker
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Post#799 » by stormi » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:03 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:
stormi wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:It'll be interesting to see which direction Indiana will go in (i.e. full rebuild or just re-tool).

A Harris/Shake for LeVert/Warren trade would be interesting.

Couple that with a Simmons/Curry for Fox/Harkless...


Fox/Maxey/Springer
LeVert/Green/Joe
Warren/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Harkless/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


It's so hard to imagine this starting 5 functionally. No defense, no shooting, limited athleticism.


How about Simmons for Ingram (3-way deal) followed by Harris/Curry/Milton for McCollum/Covington?


McCollum/Maxey/Springer
Green/Korkmaz/Joe
Ingram/Thybulle
Covington/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


Too good to be true. All over that though of course.
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Post#800 » by SixthStreet » Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:27 am

I'm not sure if this theory has actual merit but I wonder if Tobias is an archetype of an overall good player who does not move the needle an inch for a real contender type team. Guys that can put up efficient raw stats but are replacement level players in terms of roster building.

He's absolutely worthless if not for the fact that he's an ironman capable of playing very heavy minutes.

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