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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#81 » by M2J » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm

I don't hate this move. I think Green and Ferguson add value. Green is a starter or trade bait. He's also a reigning champion and 3x champ. He will at least space the floor and has no problem pulling the trigger. I just hope he has less droughts. I followed OKC and Ferguson is a good player, he has the ability to defend and shoot.

But I feel this is definitely just a pre-cursor. Green is either going to be packaged, or is here to replace Josh.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#82 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:18 pm

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mksp wrote:A lot more flexibility now.


To do what? Explain it to me like I'm Elton Brand


Nvm, that means you wouldn't understand.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#83 » by Skates » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:21 pm

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Sheesh that is an ugly look.



Imagine being an uber wealthy public figure and caring what a few dipshits say about you on the internet.


And also forgetting that our brand of **** takes insults as compliments, lol.

Trust us Anna, it wasn’t nearly as exhausting as trying to fit your husband (and a really decent guy) into our starting lineup.


Anna is his sister lol...


So you’re saying she is available then, hmm?
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#84 » by strotorious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:21 pm

I also think it's significant that the FRP isn't until 2025. Once the draft is over they'll still be able to trade the rights to pick 2020, 2021, and 2023, if hypothetically, there was a star player unhappy with his current team that was available in trade.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#85 » by VDT » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:22 pm

A Horford trade was obligatory. There was no playing time for him ( assuming he doesnt play with Embiid) which would mean that his value couldnt be restored and that he would cause team chemistry issues. Also no owner is going to pay tax just to have Harris and Horford on these contracts.

I was hoping we would be able to get something better but probably the entire league knew that Morey had to trade him. Still tje trade makes the team better.

The peak in 2025 is a risk that Morey doesnt mind taking. If the Sixers are bad then he will probably not be here.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#86 » by cool93 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:23 pm

It's all great, but what exactle some of you see in Ferguson. He is trash. Just a salary filler.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#87 » by HankTheTank » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:23 pm

Yeesh. A move that had to be made, I guess. Nice work Elton. Hurry, let’s give Elton another extension
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#88 » by Sixerscan » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:24 pm

Pretty solid first move, opens up a lot of options. Such a dumb signing. I didn't want to give up any assets and they did but at least they got a positive player in Green.

Team suddenly has a lot of wings.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#89 » by BullyKing » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:25 pm

Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#90 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:28 pm

BullyKing wrote:Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.


Not exactly the same because Green shouldn't get crazy offers next summer. And if he does, oh well let him walk. We didn't just sell the farm to bank on him as the 3rd star instead of Jimmy Butler.

But overall point taken. Brand (or whoever was in charge) was a total abortion. Thank god we have an adult in the room now to clean up the mess they all made.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#91 » by cool93 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:29 pm

BullyKing wrote:Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.


If Morey is able to dump Harris as cheaply as Horf, he should get a statue right now, lol. Not likely, though.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#92 » by fl311 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:29 pm

I was on my way to pick up kids when I was told this was happening. Other moves are in the works too. Morey has a plan
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#93 » by BullyKing » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:30 pm

Arsenal wrote:
BullyKing wrote:Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.


Not exactly the same because Green shouldn't get crazy offers next summer. And if he does, oh well let him walk. We didn't just sell the farm to bank on him as the 3rd star instead of Jimmy Butler.

But overall point taken. Brand (or whoever was in charge) was a total abortion. Thank god we have an adult in the room now to clean up the mess they all made.


I'll feel better about this if he can turn Richardson into a long term solution at wing without completely emptying out our picks. At least then you just need one more starter with Simmons X X Harris Embiid. You can use the exceptions to build a bench.
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Post#94 » by nitocobola » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:30 pm

BullyKing wrote:Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.

yup, I said it earlier, even with the fultz fiasco we were in a ok spot, especially with a good gm in charge. Now the sixers have to lose assets to undo this mess.

It's a shame that morey came two years later.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#95 » by VDT » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:31 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I will say, however, that Daryl does not have "the Longest View in the Room"™ with this trade. Leaning more towards "Landing the Plane"™.


You can only have the longest view in the room when you are allowed to not care about how good your team is on the floor (Presti now, Hinkie in the past). When you have to build around your star(s) your timeline is necessarily limited by their age, contract situation, demands etc.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#96 » by Skates » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:32 pm

This was Morey as Bruce Banner starting to Hulk out and Horford’s deal and fig issues were the constraining shirt and pants he needed to shred before he could flex those muscles.

Now try to get that image out of your brain :-P
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#97 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:32 pm

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BullyKing wrote:Look the trade is fine but its just the harsh reality of what unspeakable damage Elton Brand did. We've currently got three starters signed past this year and zero way to replace Richardson or Green if they walk. As a reminder, this is the precise scenario that led to Tobias Harris making close to $40 million a year.


If Morey is able to dump Harris as cheaply as Horf, he should get a statue right now, lol. Not likely, though.


Dumping Harris isn't as urgent. He has a place in the starting lineup, his old coach who made him look like a "star" lol, and plenty of playing time available to improve his value. None of that was the case with Horford.

I'm perfectly fine going into the season with Tobias assuming it costs too much to dump him.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#98 » by BullyKing » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:33 pm

I guess the bright spot is we really just need one steal of a move to get back in this thing. For example, unearthing the next Covington and we suddenly look pretty good. And I do have a billion times more confidence in Morey pulling that off than Brand.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#99 » by mjkvol » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:33 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:What did you guys expect? Al Horford was a terrible signing, Brand should feel like a jackass. Especially with Morey cleaning up his mess. Green gives us another solid perimeter defensive player who can hit threes. He's basically what we hope Mattise can be someday. At least we're keeping our first for tonight. I figured we'd have to part with that too. You can't be mad about this. The punishment is light, considering the severity of the crime that Brand committed.


Exactly, and besides, it's kind of silly to look at any one move in a vacuum. Morey inherited a borderline disaster left by Brand, who is damn fortunate to still even have a job here. Who seriously expected this to be fixed overnight, and who doesn't understand that there will be a bit of pain involved with undoing the abortion Brand created.? You can be sure there is much more to come.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#100 » by Gulfwang » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:34 pm

fl311 wrote:I was on my way to pick up kids when I was told this was happening. Other moves are in the works too. Morey has a plan


do you think Green stays because Jason Dumars said Green is viewed as a trade asset

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