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Post#61 » by Sportfan73 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:36 pm

Kobblehead wrote:So we have a small handful of shooters signed to low-figure, team-controlled contracts. Sound like good trade chips.

I think it sounds like we could be preparing for a bit of a roster gutting trade where we need cheap role players after
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Post#62 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:49 pm

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the_process wrote:I like the fact they used part of the TMLE to lock up Joe.

That being said, that contract is not a
Hinkie Special. Joe shouldn't have been able to demand anything. If as part of his delegation, Morey left the contract negotiation to Brand... he needs to take that responsibility back :lol:

Seriously though, it's a smart signing and a good way to try and create an asset.

I'm sure the parameters for the salary were pre-arranged. It's probably what was promised to him if he refused to work out for, or provide medicals to other teams. Refusing to work out for teams is how everyone figures out guys have promises.

The dollar amount isn't bad. It's less than the slot for the 30th pick, but more than the rookie minimum.


I agree w/this. The only reason it's not a 4 Year Hinkie Special (like Shake got) is because there was a predetermined deal for this particular contract, in exchange for Joe and his agent steering him towards us.
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Post#63 » by Sixerscan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:50 pm

Bolden got 4 years $7 million with 2 years/$3.3 guaranteed. And I’m pretty sure the minimum has gone up since then.

Joe got ~900k less guaranteed. Seems like a step behind the top 2nd rounders.
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Post#64 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:52 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Bolden got 4 years $7 million with 2 years/$3.3 guaranteed. And I’m pretty sure the minimum has gone up since then.

Joe got ~900k less guaranteed. Seems like a step behind the top 2nd rounders.


Yeah, but he's only under team control for 3 years. He can become an RFA after that. A good tradeoff for him if he believes in his ability. Not so good for the team to have to pay him 1 year early if he hits.
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Post#65 » by Sixerscan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:00 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:Bolden got 4 years $7 million with 2 years/$3.3 guaranteed. And I’m pretty sure the minimum has gone up since then.

Joe got ~900k less guaranteed. Seems like a step behind the top 2nd rounders.


Yeah, but he's only under team control for 3 years. He can become an RFA after that. A good tradeoff for him if he believes in his ability. Not so good for the team to have to pay him 1 year early if he hits.

Yeah look at my post on the last page I’m saying they needed to give him more guaranteed if they wanted the 4th year.
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Post#66 » by LloydFree » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:36 pm

Arsenal wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
the_process wrote:I like the fact they used part of the TMLE to lock up Joe.

That being said, that contract is not a
Hinkie Special. Joe shouldn't have been able to demand anything. If as part of his delegation, Morey left the contract negotiation to Brand... he needs to take that responsibility back :lol:

Seriously though, it's a smart signing and a good way to try and create an asset.

I'm sure the parameters for the salary were pre-arranged. It's probably what was promised to him if he refused to work out for, or provide medicals to other teams. Refusing to work out for teams is how everyone figures out guys have promises.

The dollar amount isn't bad. It's less than the slot for the 30th pick, but more than the rookie minimum.


I agree w/this. The only reason it's not a 4 Year Hinkie Special (like Shake got) is because there was a predetermined deal for this particular contract, in exchange for Joe and his agent steering him towards us.

Yeah, Isaiah Joe's agent did a great job for him. He was in a similar situation as Shake Milton, when he declared for the draft. They were boarder line 1st round picks, that were injured during the year. Shake worked out for teams coming off the injury and his stock fell. Joe's agent didn't let his client go through that and he got 2.6 million guaranteed, without having to do anything.

Shake got put on a 2-way and made less than 300k his rookie year. Shake's made less than 2 million total, going into his 3rd year, and he had to prove himself just to get that.
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Post#67 » by Skates » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:30 pm

A lot of players in the previous year's draft had their agents tell teams they would not sign two ways, which was one of the reasons we allegedly took a much lower rated Shayok, because he was amenable to that. Joe could have gone a good bit earlier, but that is always a risk, so a promise served him and the Sixers well if it kept other teams away from choosing him.
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Post#68 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:35 pm

I just read somewhere that the maximum contract length when using the tMLE is 3 years. So that would explain Joe's deal. We couldn't do a 4 year Hinkie Special even if we wanted to.
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Post#69 » by Sixerscan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:30 pm

Arsenal wrote:I just read somewhere that the maximum contract length when using the tMLE is 3 years. So that would explain Joe's deal. We couldn't do a 4 year Hinkie Special even if we wanted to.

Wasn’t aware of that being a thing (we haven’t not had cap space in so long) but that would explain it. FWIW only a few guys have gotten 4 year deals so far. Terry and Xavier Tillman from what I’ve seen.
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Post#70 » by PhilaOwnsBoston » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:04 pm

A shooter off the bench. Sixers used to have "Instant Korver" and now they have "Cup o' Joe"
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Post#71 » by ankle420breaker » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:19 pm

PhilaOwnsBoston wrote:A shooter off the bench. Sixers used to have "Instant Korver" and now they have "Cup o' Joe"
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Post#72 » by Kobblehead » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:21 pm

"The only way to "keur" your shooting woes is to pour yourself a nice cup of Joe."

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Post#73 » by LloydFree » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:52 pm

I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.
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Post#74 » by Arsenal » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:14 pm

LloydFree wrote:I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.


Basically the opposite of Ben Simmons.
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Post#75 » by HardenToSixers » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:19 pm

Arsenal wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.


Basically the opposite of Ben Simmons.

if by the opposite of Simmons you mean because he might actually be ambidextrous and Simmons is certainly not
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Post#76 » by Sixerscan » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:11 pm

LloydFree wrote:I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.

I remember Jrue dunking with his left hand a weird amount of times.
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Post#77 » by LloydFree » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:12 pm

Arsenal wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.


Basically the opposite of Ben Simmons.

But Joe actually looks natural shooting right-hand and he looks natural dunking and laying the ball up left-handed. Simmons left-handed shot looks...
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Post#78 » by LloydFree » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:15 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I've noticed that Isaiah Joe shoots his jumpers right handed. But on many of his highlights, where he actually goes to the basket, he dribbles, does layups, and even dunks left handed. Is he ambidextrous or something? The left handed dunk from a right handed player is not common.

I remember Jrue dunking with his left hand a weird amount of times.

I think John Wall is the only player I can think of that looks natural dunking left-handed.
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Post#79 » by PhillyPhilly » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:27 am

Paul Reed is the same regarding using his left hand for dunks, layups and hooks. Apparently his mom made him dribble and shoot left handed as a kid so that's why he's able to do it naturally.
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Post#80 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Dec 5, 2020 12:41 pm

Expecting this kid to have a future as a specialist. Plays within himself and moves well off the ball. If he's able to improve his ball handling and learn how to be an effective team defender he should see some longevity as a pro.

Given the new roster and shortened pre-season I'd expect our rotation players will play a good portion of the minutes. That said, really hoping we get to see guys like Joe, Reed, Maxey, and Diane get some decent run in our two exhibition contests.

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