2013

[Foye]

Flamini ran 13.5 kilometers.

Regular workload for Sven Bender lol.

[Ong_dynasty]

I really hate when a referee can influence a game that much..
I am a big believer in trying to keep 11 men as much as possible...

Anyways..I give sanogo a bit of credit.. He did good..
Why is ozil taking penalties..seriously.. He looked liked it affected him after as well.. Come on ozil..

Only thing I am disappointed with wenger is.. Why didn't he us his last sub? Especially when players were gassed.. Either for ozil or for sanogo..

[Ted Lasso]

he was so open i think even a striker from one of the london teams could've scored that

A striker from one of the London teams has 8 goals and 3 assists in 11 matches this season.

and he surely would've fit right in today

You're right. I forgot that Adebayor has missed a penalty kick in the past and is consequently worthy of ridicule.

[Maex]

Löw should see now that Kroos is the better option than Özil at the OM position. Özil is a liability in the defense and even offensively Kroos has the edge.

This is wrong.

I like how you phrase it as if their is only one option and it is either right or wrong.

[MaliBrah]

Man of the match: Rizzoli

I only had one eye on the game, but both PKs seemed legit and same with the red card.. was he really that bad?

edit i just read your previous post. I agree with the red card decision because I think it was a goal scoring opportunity denied?
but I feel your pain, Arsenal and City both got very unlucky with the way these games played out

and I honestly think boateng escaped a red too

[Man of Steel]

Löw should see now that Kroos is the better option than Özil at the OM position. Özil is a liability in the defense and even offensively Kroos has the edge.

This is wrong. Ozil is a better 10 than Kroos, neither are suited to play on the wing. But what's most wrong is the thinking that it's either or. We need to utilize both to get the most out of this squad. Kroos in a midfield triangle, either pep's inverted triangle, or at the tip of a traditional slant, and Ozil operating in front of him as the false 9. But we should utilize both, Kroos is just such a great shooter and so great at moving around to maintain possession and force teams to defend open spaces.

Yeah, when you have forwards that can accelerate like Özil had with Madrid (Ronaldo, Di Maria)/has with Germany (Gotze, Reus) then his class as a #10 really shows. His through balls and offensive spacing/positioning are fantastic. Sure his defensive presence isn't as much as Kroos but he operates further up the field.

[cgf]

he tried to make a save and then pulled out but the contact was inevitable. The penalty is enough punishment.. why is the red called? its such a stupid rule. Double punishment.

It's a dumb rule, but it's a dumb rule that's been in place since before szcez started playing professionally. *shrug*

[Maex]

I LOVE Müller! Such an awkward but awesome player.

he was so open i think even a striker from one of the london teams could've scored that

If you have any chance, than watch the whole goal again. Just saw the replay. Müller actually starts his run at the right side of box, gave Lahm a sign when he was in the middle of the box and makes the header on the left side of the goal in the middle of the box.

It was not an accident that he was that open.

[MaliBrah]

he tried to make a save and then pulled out but the contact was inevitable. The penalty is enough punishment.. why is the red called? its such a stupid rule. Double punishment.

It's a dumb rule, but it's a dumb rule that's been in place since before szcez started playing professionally. *shrug*

ok. So why did boateng not get a second yellow for hurting gibbs and a cynical foul to stop a threatening counter attack? Big decisions went one way and it clearly decided the game.

[cgf]

Löw should see now that Kroos is the better option than Özil at the OM position. Özil is a liability in the defense and even offensively Kroos has the edge.

This is wrong.

I like how you phrase it as if their is only one option and it is either right or wrong.

When one player is clearly superior at the ten to the other there is a clear right and wrong. And I love toni kroos, he's last DDR born star who's basically the world class version of Torsten Mattuschka, my eiserne's captain and talisman. But he's just not Mesut as a ten, he's a better 8, he's a better goal scorer and he's a better defender, but he's just not as good of a 10, which is why Jogi needs to stick to the 4-3-3-0 with Toni and Mesut both playing "through the middle"

Reus - Ozil - Mueller
Kroos - Schweini/Ilkay/Goetze
Lahm
Grosskreutz - Hummels - Boateng - Lars Bender

That's a team that wins the WC and actually can play to its potential.

[DD12]

Are you guys watching Ozil "defend?"

like 90% sure this is the reason why Ancelotti kept Di Maria instead of Ozil.

One of the most overrated players in the world.

[cgf]

he tried to make a save and then pulled out but the contact was inevitable. The penalty is enough punishment.. why is the red called? its such a stupid rule. Double punishment.

It's a dumb rule, but it's a dumb rule that's been in place since before szcez started playing professionally. *shrug*

ok. So why did boateng not get a second yellow for hurting gibbs and a cynical foul to stop a threatening counter attack? Big decisions went one way and it clearly decided the game.

Cause that's a discretion call for the ref, whereas last man back preventing a clear goal scoring chance is always a red. I agree the rules are bad on this, but they have been well established by now.

[Maex]

When one player is clearly superior at the ten to the other there is a clear right and wrong. And I love toni kroos, he's last DDR born star who's basically the world class version of Torsten Mattuschka, my eiserne's captain and talisman. But he's just not Mesut as a ten, he's a better 8, he's a better goal scorer and he's a better defender, but he's just not as good of a 10, which is why Jogi needs to stick to the 4-3-3-0 with Toni and Mesut both playing "through the middle"

Reus - Ozil - Mueller
Kroos - Schweini/Ilkay/Goetze
Lahm
Grosskreutz - Hummels - Boateng - Lars Bender

That's a team that wins the WC and actually can play to its potential.

It is as clearly right and wrong as you can clearly predict which team wins the WC

[DD12]

he was so open i think even a striker from one of the london teams could've scored that

A striker from one of the London teams has 8 goals and 3 assists in 11 matches this season.

and he surely would've fit right in today

Haha right on spot bro lol

[cgf]

When one player is clearly superior at the ten to the other there is a clear right and wrong. And I love toni kroos, he's last DDR born star who's basically the world class version of Torsten Mattuschka, my eiserne's captain and talisman. But he's just not Mesut as a ten, he's a better 8, he's a better goal scorer and he's a better defender, but he's just not as good of a 10, which is why Jogi needs to stick to the 4-3-3-0 with Toni and Mesut both playing "through the middle"

Reus - Ozil - Mueller
Kroos - Schweini/Ilkay/Goetze
Lahm
Grosskreutz - Hummels - Boateng - Lars Bender

That's a team that wins the WC and actually can play to its potential.

It is as clearly right and wrong as clearly you can predict which team wins the WC

No it's much clearly than that. I just know we won't win because of Jogi, who will is still puzzle. Who's the better 10 between Ozil and Kroos is not, even after this game where Kroos looked great with the best team in the world around him facing 10 men while Ozil struggled out on the wing with an inferior team and having to defend for an entire half. I love the kid, but his touch in tight areas is levels below Ozil's and while he's a great retention passer and long ball guy, like Schweini, he's not even comparable to mesut at playing killer balls in tight areas. Which isn't to say he's bad at it or that combined with his shoot he isn't also tremendously effective on a team that play slowly and dominate possession, just that Mesut is the world's best #10, and Toni isn't, regardless of how badly you or I wish that he was.

[Man of Steel]

like 90% sure this is the reason why Ancelotti kept Di Maria instead of Ozil.

One of the most overrated players in the world.

Di Maria or Özil?

[Point forward]

When one player is clearly superior at the ten to the other there is a clear right and wrong. And I love toni kroos, he's last DDR born star who's basically the world class version of Torsten Mattuschka, my eiserne's captain and talisman.

Admit it, you only posted this b/c you wanted to mention Torsten Mattuschka in the Champions League thread.

(BTW, Manuel Neuer is a world class version of Tobias Sippel. )

[MaliBrah]

Neuer on German TV: "I know about the rules but this should not be a red card for the keeper. Arsenal was punished enough with the penalty

[EArl]

There goes what little faith I had for Arsenal.

[Maex]

No it's much clearly than that. I just know we won't win because of Jogi, who will is still puzzle. Who's the better 10 between Ozil and Kroos is not, even after this game where Kroos looked great with the best team in the world around him facing 10 men while Ozil struggled out on the wing with an inferior team and having to defend for an entire half. I love the kid, but his touch in tight areas is levels below Ozil's and while he's a great retention passer and long ball guy, like Schweini, he's not even comparable to mesut at playing killer balls in tight areas. Which isn't to say he's bad at it or that combined with his shoot he isn't also tremendously effective on a team that play slowly and dominate possession, just that Mesut is the world's best #10, and Toni isn't, regardless of how badly you or I wish that he was.

The only thing which is clear here, is that you are only rating the offensive performance and that you don't care about the other parts of the games, namely defense and pressing.

And while you make it sound, like it is only this game, Kroos played 24 games in the Bundesliga, 9 games in the CL and 3 games in the domestic cup for Bayern Munich last season and most of them as a 10. So we have more than enough sample size and do not have to compare them.

I just prefer the whole pakage from Toni Kroos over the one of Özil. Add to that the link up play between Götze, Müller, Schweinsteiger, Lahm,... because all of them practice and play together over the whole year and you get why I would prefer Kroos over Özil (when it is either or).