2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread

[DD12]

I guess we are arrogant. I mean, we actually enjoy the football being played in our league and will admit as much under interrogation. Which I can understand why a fan of the Superlig, Serie A, or EPL wouldn't be able to understand; and so perceive as trashtalk.

Are you not from Europe? Go to any European country and ask its citizens the most arrogant people, they will tell you two countries: France and Germany. Obviously there are cool people but generalization about Germans are - very organized and arrogant. It is a fact and everyone should know this if you are from Europe or if you have some real European friends or if you lived in Europe for a while.

You can enjoy all you want but when it comes to winning, it is something that Germans shouldn't even be talking about it yet you guys act like Real Madrid or Barcelona are from Germany. Last 20 years, German teams only won 1(one) champions league. So stop acting like Buli is so good and you guys always win something. Except Bayern Munich, all of the other teams are garbage in European competition.

I bet people who watch Eredivisie enjoy football as much since there are so many goals in the games but at least they don't speak as arrogant as you guys are about winning something in Europe or acting like they know everything about football.

[Foye]

I guess we are arrogant. I mean, we actually enjoy the football being played in our league and will admit as much under interrogation. Which I can understand why a fan of the Superlig, Serie A, or EPL wouldn't be able to understand; and so perceive as trashtalk.

Are you not from Europe? Go to any European country and ask its citizens the most arrogant people, they will tell you two countries: France and Germany. Obviously there are cool people but generalization about Germans are - very organized and arrogant. It is a fact and everyone should know this if you are from Europe or if you have some real European friends or if you lived in Europe for a while.

You can enjoy all you want but when it comes to winning, it is something that Germans shouldn't even be talking about it yet you guys act like Real Madrid or Barcelona are from Germany. Last 20 years, German teams only won 1(one) champions league. So stop acting like Buli is so good and you guys always win something. Except Bayern Munich, all of the other teams are garbage in European competition.

I bet people who watch Eredivisie enjoy football as much since there are so many goals in the games but at least they don't speak as arrogant as you guys are about winning something in Europe or acting like they know everything about football.

At least try to get the facts right when you let your prejudices take over.
Dortmund 1997
Bayern 2001, 2013

[cgf]

I just can't get past the irony of a turk calling out germans about our arrogance.

[Foye]

1-1 is okay, I guess.

First place for a few hours, yay!

Stocker is rocking my comunio team. Extrem bargain at 1.6 mil.:mrgreen:

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[DD12]

I just can't get past the irony of a turk calling out germans about our arrogance.

Dont even talk about my italian side though. Just keep quiet

[truth18]

We're quite humble, us Americans

[DD12]

Yeah. I think Americans are extremely humble.

[Det the Threat]

At least try to get the facts right when you let your prejudices take over.
Dortmund 1997
Bayern 2011, 2013

Well, it's really tough trying to find a window that excludes stuff but still not knowing all the facts and having it coming back right at you.

I think we should just open a thread about prejudices were we can all just throw crap at each other because we heard it somewhere being said about others.
The fact that those things are merely true and most of the time are just stuff you here from others, that have been told by others, who talked to others and with the tabloid media throwing crap around as well might not be what some people want to hear.

But hey, what the heck do I know sitting here, eating some Sourcrout and Bratwurst while listening to Rammstein...

We're quite humble, us Americans

Well wait.
I heard from a guy that knows a guy that americans are super arrogant and eat burgers all day.

[HIF]

I'm sad for Aranguiz, but after all the **** thrown at Leicester City by BL there's a kind of karma involved.

Not sure what the Bundesliga did to you guys but Aranguiz wanted to go to Leverkusen and nowhere else.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear BL was meant to be Bayer Leverkeusen not the Bundesliga.

Furthermore I'd like to emphasise that I like Germans and the Bundesliga. German's are arrogant but no more arrogant than us Brits nor the yanks, it's more self-confidence anyway.

As for the bundesliga it's a very good league, it's one drawback is that everyone knows who is going to win the league before a ball is kicked but after that the league is reasonably homogenic.

Bayer though were rude and dismissive to Leicester City, they basically compared us to dog poo on the bottom of their shoes and arrogantly claimed how much better than us they were. They may be a better team than us - though on present form that may not be true - we've won 9 of our last 11 - the best in Europe and a team that is definitely improving but I think Bayer may be better than us. They certainly have CL qualigying football most years but this is really due to the fact that in Germany their is one team above all others whilst in England we have an "elite" 4 to 6 meaning the rest of the teams are very unlikely to make a CL spot.

If Bayer were in the premier league they wouldn't get into europe, in fact they'd do well to be mid table at the end of the season - just like us.

I think there were also questionable signing tactics with Bayer not getting an offer accepted by Inter and yet still talking to an under contract players without permission. If they had just been willing to match Leicester's offer from the start then they would have got the player immediately and possibly he'd have been able to acclimate better to the team before the season started.

I can understand why Aranguiz wanted to go to Bayer and I accept that he though it was best for him.

In summary, I like German's and the bundesliga, I have no ill will towards Aranguiz and hope he fully recovers from his injury but I still think Karma had a say with regards Bayer.

[Andi Obst]

1-1 is okay, I guess.

First place for a few hours, yay!

Stocker is rocking my comunio team. Extrem bargain at 1.6 mil.:mrgreen:

At 1.6 million, that's really good value

If he keeps playing like he did so far that might actually make our offense watchable this season. Dardai seems to be the right coach for him.

[Det the Threat]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear BL was meant to be Bayer Leverkeusen not the Bundesliga.

Furthermore I'd like to emphasise that I like Germans and the Bundesliga. German's are arrogant but no more arrogant than us Brits nor the yanks, it's more self-confidence anyway.

As for the bundesliga it's a very good league, it's one drawback is that everyone knows who is going to win the league before a ball is kicked but after that the league is reasonably homogenic.

Bayer though were rude and dismissive to Leicester City, they basically compared us to dog poo on the bottom of their shoes and arrogantly claimed how much better than us they were. They may be a better team than us - though on present form that may not be true - we've won 9 of our last 11 - the best in Europe and a team that is definitely improving but I think Bayer may be better than us. They certainly have CL qualigying football most years but this is really due to the fact that in Germany their is one team above all others whilst in England we have an "elite" 4 to 6 meaning the rest of the teams are very unlikely to make a CL spot.

If Bayer were in the premier league they wouldn't get into europe, in fact they'd do well to be mid table at the end of the season - just like us.

I think there were also questionable signing tactics with Bayer not getting an offer accepted by Inter and yet still talking to an under contract players without permission. If they had just been willing to match Leicester's offer from the start then they would have got the player immediately and possibly he'd have been able to acclimate better to the team before the season started.

I can understand why Aranguiz wanted to go to Bayer and I accept that he though it was best for him.

In summary, I like German's and the bundesliga, I have no ill will towards Aranguiz and hope he fully recovers from his injury but I still think Karma had a say with regards Bayer.

OK, I didn't know that and I really didn't follow what Bayer said all that much. Though, given that Völler's there main voice to the media, I wouldn't expect anything respectful at all.

What I heard/read all the time was Aranguiz and his management only wanting Leverkusen and that's where he ended up.
That's understandable given Bayer's reputation and scouting in south america were they found guys like Lucio, Ze Roberto, Paulo Sergio, Diego Placente, Arturo Vidal, Emerson, Renato Augusto, Wendell etc.

So good luck to you guys in reaching your goals and at least staying up, cause that's important for 2nd year teams as well, given that that seasons, most of the time, is even tougher then the first one.

Stocker is rocking my comunio team. Extrem bargain at 1.6 mil.:mrgreen:

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Well, a comunio season for this forum(no matter which league) would be interesting.
I'm currently playing Kicker Pro(and Interactive) with another forum and we did a Draft version(snake draft, I started at #6) of it.
I of course picked Nastasic, who's out for the first half of the season.

My team looks like this:

-------------Aubameyang-----------Drmic-------------

-Hazard---------------Groß--------------------Klaus--

-------------------Goretzka-----Geis------------------

--------Christensen------Marcelo-----Hübner--------

----------------------Sommer--------------------------

Bench: Sippel, da Costa, Nastasic, Morales, Dahoud, Wagner, Stroh-Engel

[Kaiser30]

At least try to get the facts right when you let your prejudices take over.
Dortmund 1997
Bayern 2011, 2013

Actually, we won it in 01, not 11

And we are not even talking about final appearances although reaching the final already is a great accomplishment. Bundesliga has had 8 over the past 20 years, Prem also 8, La Liga 11 and Serie A 10.
Moreover, English teams haven't been part of the final for the past 3 years, they weren't even well represented in the final stages of the cup as far as I remember. Yet, noone would call out the league because there is heavy competition and teams definitely have quality players. But you have to acknowledge that PL's top teams are not as strong as they were 5 to 10 years ago when they were considered a force in Europe. In my opinion, all the money available hasn't helped in that regard because you tend to spend money for the sake of spending money and not wisely enough.
10 years ago, Bayern wasn't that good in Europe. Why? In my opinion, because they did have enough money, but they didn't spend it wisely enough. Buying new players was more or less about identifying possible holes in the squad and buying the best Bundesliga players (while many people complain about this, it was more often than not an overpay). But they didn't look at the bigger picture. They didn't even have a plan. And it was easy to ignore this fact because they were still able to be successful domestically. All that stuff changed when Louis van Gaal took over and implemented a philosophy which was then essential for buying players and how the players mesh on the pitch. Keep in mind the famous unauthorized interview of Philipp Lahm. All the stuff he said was totally on point and has now changed.
Since then, Bayern has had much success and now has a philosophy moving forward which will help in maintaining success even when Pep or key players leave the club.

Stocker is rocking my comunio team. Extrem bargain at 1.6 mil.:mrgreen:

My comunio team is as **** as it gets. For the past few years, market values plummeted right before or shortly after the start of the season, so this year I decided to keep my money together and spend it later. But the values have not dropped that much.

But on the other hand, I really like my kicker pro team with cheap guys like Weigl, Christensen, Sörensen, Schulz, U. Garcia and Sané on the bench and a strong starting squad with Robben, Auba, Volland, Geis, Didavi and Calhanoglu among others.

Edit:

@Det the Threat: Nastasic was also my pick in both Comunio and kicker

[Andi Obst]

We should have a comunio league next season.

@ Det: Is that Sandro Wagner on your bench?

[Foye]

At least try to get the facts right when you let your prejudices take over.
Dortmund 1997
Bayern 2011, 2013

Actually, we won it in 01, not 11

Yeah, typo on the phone. Still he comes in here drooling the thread with his prejudices and doesn't even get the facts right.

[Foye]

I'm sad for Aranguiz, but after all the **** thrown at Leicester City by BL there's a kind of karma involved.

Not sure what the Bundesliga did to you guys but Aranguiz wanted to go to Leverkusen and nowhere else.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear BL was meant to be Bayer Leverkeusen not the Bundesliga.

Furthermore I'd like to emphasise that I like Germans and the Bundesliga. German's are arrogant but no more arrogant than us Brits nor the yanks, it's more self-confidence anyway.

As for the bundesliga it's a very good league, it's one drawback is that everyone knows who is going to win the league before a ball is kicked but after that the league is reasonably homogenic.

Bayer though were rude and dismissive to Leicester City, they basically compared us to dog poo on the bottom of their shoes and arrogantly claimed how much better than us they were. They may be a better team than us - though on present form that may not be true - we've won 9 of our last 11 - the best in Europe and a team that is definitely improving but I think Bayer may be better than us. They certainly have CL qualigying football most years but this is really due to the fact that in Germany their is one team above all others whilst in England we have an "elite" 4 to 6 meaning the rest of the teams are very unlikely to make a CL spot.

If Bayer were in the premier league they wouldn't get into europe, in fact they'd do well to be mid table at the end of the season - just like us.

I think there were also questionable signing tactics with Bayer not getting an offer accepted by Inter and yet still talking to an under contract players without permission. If they had just been willing to match Leicester's offer from the start then they would have got the player immediately and possibly he'd have been able to acclimate better to the team before the season started.

I can understand why Aranguiz wanted to go to Bayer and I accept that he though it was best for him.

In summary, I like German's and the bundesliga, I have no ill will towards Aranguiz and hope he fully recovers from his injury but I still think Karma had a say with regards Bayer.

Oh, you shouldn't take Bayer Leverkusen's comments serious at all. They are a bunch of retards. Especially, Rudi Völler is as much of an idiot as you can get. Ever since Rainer Calmund left them the practices at this club are getting worse and worse.

If you watch them a bit they also must have a team policy to ignore fair play rules. Often certainly won't play the ball out of bounds if a player from the opponent is hurt on the ground and just continue to play trying to get an advantage. And they would be the first one's to complain if someone else did that to them.

They are trying hard to become the German Atletico Madrid I guess.

Another example why not to take them serious:
Just recently the Bundesliga clubs had a meeting to discuss starting the 16/17 season later due to the Olympic football tourney. Rummenigge proposed starting later so the players get more rest.
Remember Bayer Leverkusen have a couple under 23 players that would certainly play in this tourney....so they would kinda benefit from starting the season later.

Völler torpedized the meeting screaming something like "No way do we start the season later. Bayern just want to make even more money by making trips to China." at Rummenigge.

[Det the Threat]

We should have a comunio league next season.

@ Det: Is that Sandro Wagner on your bench? :lol:

Yep. There were no strikers left and I wanted to fill my bench.

[Foye]

We should have a comunio league next season.

@ Det: Is that Sandro Wagner on your bench? :lol:

Yep. There were no strikers left and I wanted to fill my bench.

What's up with Hrgota Det? Will he be sold? We need a striker more than anything.

[Foye]

Bahahahaha. Neuer getting nutmegged after 8 seconds.

[Foye]

And Darmstadt take the lead against Schalke

[truth18]

Looooool