Game 71: Mavs@Suns

[carey]

Knight is actually good defensively and brings a lot of energy. We will be fine with him in the line up.

Don't know what games you've been watching. Energy? Maybe. He gets smoked all the time though, can barely stay in front of his man.

[NavLDO]

Marcus had 11/11/7assists/3 steals.

Kieff had 19/13

damn wow

Yet most people here want them gone.

Well, first off, part of that is the fact that they played 36 and 41 minutes, respectively. So that does need to be taken into consideration. Marcus is avging 25; Kieff, 31.

But that aside, I totally agree with you, because they are both also avging 4.5 and 5.9 RPG, so even with the added minutes, it doesn't account for them doubling their game avg this season.

I can understand that fans (me included) feel they could be upgraded, and they won't play every game as well as they have, recently. But no one can deny that this rotation is working. I still want Warren starting, and Wright (or a FA/Draftee) as well, with the Morri coming off the bench.

And OBTW, I'm waiting for the comment from someone saying we won only because 'insert Dalllas player name here' wasn't playing. Oh wait, they can't. Amare', Dirk, Ellis, Rondo, Parsons, and Chandler all played.

And not to mention, this was the 2nd of a back-2-back, and they still won. Yes, this team is dangerous right now, and even though I don't think we'll catch OKC for the 8th spot, I'm not so sure GS would want to play us with this 'big' rotation--could give them fits.

And lastly, on the Technicals--yes, hopefully they'll learn to calm down, but you take the good with the bad--same can be said for Boogie, Westbrook, Griffin and D. Green. But the issue isn't necessarily just one guy--it's a team issue, as if you look at the technical foul season leaders, you'll see that we have 3 of the top 10 (Tucker being the 3rd).

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And OBTW, I'm waiting for the comment from someone saying we won only because 'insert Dalllas player name here' wasn't playing. Oh wait, they can't. Amare', Dirk, Ellis, Rondo, Parsons, and Chandler all played.

And not to mention, this was the 2nd of a back-2-back, and they still won. Yes, this team is dangerous right now, and even though I don't think we'll catch OKC for the 8th spot, I'm not so sure GS would want to play us with this 'big' rotation--could give them fits.

And lastly, on the Technicals--yes, hopefully they'll learn to calm down, but you take the good with the bad--same can be said for Boogie, Westbrook, Griffin and D. Green. But the issue isn't necessarily just one guy--it's a team issue, as if you look at the technical foul season leaders, you'll see that we have 3 of the top 10 (Tucker being the 3rd).

I feel ya here. Dallas is a veteran team and we beat em having come thru some adversity in the fourth quarter. Outplayed them, outhustled them, etc.
The rest of our games will be brutal. We play a banged up team in the Blazers twice. We play two very good non-playoff teams in the Jazz and the Pels. We really have no "easy games" besides the Kings this Wednesday, but they have given us problems in the past. I feel lie we gotta win 8 of the last 11 to for sure make the playoffs.

[Hesh]

I havn't been following as much as I'd like to but can someone explain to me what the situation is with Green, why's he in the doghouse?

[NavLDO]

With this big lineup actually playing amazing on defence, trading away the Lakers pick looks worse and worse.

At this point I'ld rather let Knight walk than go back to that 2 PG gimmick

FO would never do that because that would be an open admittance of their failure. They'll re-sign him just to save face. If we let BKnight go then we would have to be sure that Archie is ready to be a starter

Why? What's wrong with PJ continuing to start like he's been doing?

Agreed. This line-up works, and PJ at SG works, regardless. I don't necessarily believe we have to start the Morri, as I just mentioned, but a bigger lineup than a 6'1" PG, 6'3" SG, and a 6'5" SF--more like a 6'1" PG, 6'5" SG, and a 6'8" (Warren) SF. Bledsoe's length is more than adequate to shut down most PGs, so his height means little.

On the Knight trade, I also agree, DRK. I like Knight, and if we keep him and sign him to a $12-13M per contract, I'd be ok with that as well, so it's not about whether or not anyone likes Knight, it's that we traded away a lot to get him. Even if the LAL pick ends up being a 15-20ish pick, that's 3 recent 1st Rd picks for one Lotto.

Let's pretend it's 2011, and the Pistons just drafted the Number 8 overall pick (Knight), and we end up trading the 2012 #26 (Plumlee) overall, 2014 #18 (Ennis) overall, and the 2016 #15 overall pick to acquire Knight. How do you feel about that? Not great, at least as far as I'm concerned. And that's a worst case scenario--change the LAL pick to, say, #9 overall. You just don't trade that much away for a PG, IMO, even a young good one like Knight.

That said, I think we can make his presence work on this team with this rotation. If you split up the minutes at PG/SG between PJ, Goodwin, Bledsoe, and Knight, with Goodwin receiving about 15 minutes, that would average 27 minutes each for the rest. then you split time at the 3 between Marcus, Warren, and Bullock, while having Marcus split time between the 3 and 4, say 12 minutes at each, that leaves 20ish minutes for Warren, and 16ish minutes for Bullock.

Anyway, just 'spitballing' some ideas. But wouldn't surprise me if Bullock is traded at some point in the offseason.

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I havn't been following as much as I'd like to but can someone explain to me what the situation is with Green, why's he in the doghouse?

Because he hasn't been good and everyone else that's playing over him has outplayed him.

He's better off in the cheer leader role that he's in now.

[RunDogGun]

FO would never do that because that would be an open admittance of their failure. They'll re-sign him just to save face. If we let BKnight go then we would have to be sure that Archie is ready to be a starter

Why? What's wrong with PJ continuing to start like he's been doing?

Agreed. This line-up works, and PJ at SG works, regardless. I don't necessarily believe we have to start the Morri, as I just mentioned, but a bigger lineup than a 6'1" PG, 6'3" SG, and a 6'5" SF--more like a 6'1" PG, 6'5" SG, and a 6'8" (Warren) SF. Bledsoe's length is more than adequate to shut down most PGs, so his height means little.

On the Knight trade, I also agree, DRK. I like Knight, and if we keep him and sign him to a $12-13M per contract, I'd be ok with that as well, so it's not about whether or not anyone likes Knight, it's that we traded away a lot to get him. Even if the LAL pick ends up being a 15-20ish pick, that's 3 recent 1st Rd picks for one Lotto.

Let's pretend it's 2011, and the Pistons just drafted the Number 8 overall pick (Knight), and we end up trading the 2012 #26 (Plumlee) overall, 2014 #18 (Ennis) overall, and the 2016 #15 overall pick to acquire Knight. How do you feel about that? Not great, at least as far as I'm concerned. And that's a worst case scenario--change the LAL pick to, say, #9 overall. You just don't trade that much away for a PG, IMO, even a young good one like Knight.

That said, I think we can make his presence work on this team with this rotation. If you split up the minutes at PG/SG between PJ, Goodwin, Bledsoe, and Knight, with Goodwin receiving about 15 minutes, that would average 27 minutes each for the rest. then you split time at the 3 between Marcus, Warren, and Bullock, while having Marcus split time between the 3 and 4, say 12 minutes at each, that leaves 20ish minutes for Warren, and 16ish minutes for Bullock.

Anyway, just 'spitballing' some ideas. But wouldn't surprise me if Bullock is traded at some point in the offseason.

It's hard to look back to when Knight was drafted, for I think his constant improvement every year, and work ethic is what interested the FO. But time will tell with that trade.

[jcsunsfan]

With this big lineup actually playing amazing on defence, trading away the Lakers pick looks worse and worse.

At this point I'ld rather let Knight walk than go back to that 2 PG gimmick

FO would never do that because that would be an open admittance of their failure. They'll re-sign him just to save face. If we let BKnight go then we would have to be sure that Archie is ready to be a starter

Why do people say such stupid things?

FO types don't do stupid things just to save face. They do what they do because they really BELIEVE in what they are doing. They might be wrong, but they did not get to where they are by worrying about whether the medio or fans will criticize. McD's willingness to dump IT and Plumlee is evidence of that.

[Jdiddy701]

I was at the game - incredible game. I don't know if discussed but they also played a Nash Tribute in the 1st quarter. Of course the crowd barely cheered.


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STAT to Phoenix?

Stoudemire said he considered signing with Phoenix after his buyout from New York but he at least did not pick the enemy.

"Extremely high," Stoudemire said of the Suns' chances, "but I wanted to compete for a championship this year. That's one reason why I didn't choose the Spurs because I knew it would be a letdown for all my Phoenix Suns fans. I couldn't do it. It was a tough decision, but I wanted to win this year."

Stoudemire, 32, said he could play for five to six more seasons.

Thank god, I would have thrown up seeing Amare in a Spurs jersey.

[thamadkant]

But Mavs were ALSO a Suns nemesis back in the SSOL era.

Spurs and Mavs were the TWO Western teams the were OBSTACLES on the Suns.
But history with Spurs and suspensions etc, yes Mavs is the lesser of two evils in this case.... he should of picked Clippers, would love seeing him get lobs from CP3.

[thamadkant]

That Goodwin 3pt and layup in clutch were MASSIVE boost to his development and confidence... could be the shot(s) that opens up the flood gates for his development (I hope lol).

Air Goodwin!

[saintEscaton]

With this big lineup actually playing amazing on defence, trading away the Lakers pick looks worse and worse.

At this point I'ld rather let Knight walk than go back to that 2 PG gimmick

FO would never do that because that would be an open admittance of their failure. They'll re-sign him just to save face. If we let BKnight go then we would have to be sure that Archie is ready to be a starter

Why do people say such stupid things?

FO types don't do stupid things just to save face. They do what they do because they really BELIEVE in what they are doing. They might be wrong, but they did not get to where they are by worrying about whether the medio or fans will criticize. McD's willingness to dump IT and Plumlee is evidence of that.

Stupid? Please. Tbat was a last resort move to tear up the debacle that was the Three Headed Hydra experiment, McD had no other choice and sold high. This is an entirely different scenario. Sorry but you're not gunna land a stud big in a sign and trade for an RFA like Knight straight up. Its not like having his early bird rights is that big of a deal, I doubt some team signs him to a offer sheet that we wont match unless they get desperate and max him out, so he should come at a reasonable bargain

[Jdiddy701]

I'm watching last nights game and Drysdale calls Tom Chambers.. Steve Chairs. WTF. then goes off and says he scored 60pts vs the Utah Jazz not the Sonics... I'm done.


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STAT to Phoenix?

Stoudemire said he considered signing with Phoenix after his buyout from New York but he at least did not pick the enemy.

"Extremely high," Stoudemire said of the Suns' chances, "but I wanted to compete for a championship this year. That's one reason why I didn't choose the Spurs because I knew it would be a letdown for all my Phoenix Suns fans. I couldn't do it. It was a tough decision, but I wanted to win this year."

Stoudemire, 32, said he could play for five to six more seasons.

Thank god, I would have thrown up seeing Amare in a Spurs jersey.

Me too. I hope he signs with us for a cheap contract over the offseason
Could use him and Brandon Wright off the bench. IMO, those two guys would compliment each other perfectly.