Official Trade Thread: How to Trade Your Dragon

[Qwigglez]

His brother sucks.

McD was clearly pandering with that move, I'm sure even Goran knows that.

Either Z will be traded with Goran or they'll waive him immediately - unless someone offers a bottle of cactus juice or a cheap pair of sunnies.

Depending what we get for him, this will be the first black mark on McD's resume.

I'd see how much the Kings want him - Gay at $19m is BAD but at $12m for the next 4? that's GOOD money for a fringe All Star and a guy who's a more reliable scorer than Dragic. Try and shift Tucker to SG...

I'd like to get a little Gay but he's not trade-able as he signed that extension early in the season.

[Lindecision]

So does Dragic just want the money? I can't recall any player recently who would willingly want to go to the Lakers and play with Kobe. With the Knicks, I doubt Dragic will be able to utilize his skillset in the triangle offense. The system in Phoenix is where Dragic flourishes. If he wants to be traded, it's probably not just because of IT. Just saying...

Are you kidding me? Dragic's skillset is close to a perfect fit for the triangle.

[saintEscaton]

Imagine if years from now , e a washed up Dragic re-signed with us for a third time to end his career where he started

[thamadkant]

Bill Duffy has a pretty good relationship with the suns FO. I'm inclined to agree that this is leaked to drive up the price to the rockets. I'd let the dust settle before you start calling for heads.

I'm also fairly sure this hasn't blindsided our front office.

Actually I was thinking Morey had already gotten in touch with Dragic somehow... and convinced him to say he wont resign in Houston, hence Rockets can trade for him cheaply.... because they can say its a rental.. but we don't really know, just all speculations.

[Revived]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

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[thamadkant]

Should change Bledsoe's nick name to Dragon Slayer!

[Lindecision]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Its pretty simple. He doesn't trust your FO anymore. I mean why would he? You reward the year he had with nothing but dysfunction and stupidity. Beverly is very interesting though. He might be the best case scenario at this point. A Bledsoe-Beverly backcourt would have incredible defensive potential.

[TASTIC]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

viewtopic.php?p=42711344#p42711344

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

[Revived]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/567972807210106880[/tweet]

[Wealwayswin]

Dragic wanted to be in Phoenix. Played hard on an atrocious team. Made 3rd team All NBA when the team traded for Bledsoe (another PG) who missed half the year. Watched them draft Ennis (another PG) then sign IT. Then give big bucks to Bledsoe. Then ask him to adjust in a walk year. He's still balling but his role has changed and he'll never get his preferred role back on this team. These guys have finite careers and want to get paid. Being on a lottery team in Phoenix is no better than being on one in New York. Dude wants the reigns and a fat check and it appears he's not getting either in purple and orange.
McDonough has tried to stockpile assets but eventually assets have to turn into production. This team isn't good enough and eventually someone was going to get traded. I've grown tired of the 3PG lineup failing to get a key rebound, one-pass offensive possessions or simply hoping IT or Gerald Green can shoot us out of another 15-point deficit.
The way this season has gone, something on Thursday will get our hopes up that things will turn around, only to find out that Dragic was traded at the deadline buzzer.

[SunsFanSSOL]

FO must have known he was leaving for a while

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/567887135589691392[/tweet]

[Tahleron]

Bill Duffy has a pretty good relationship with the suns FO. I'm inclined to agree that this is leaked to drive up the price to the rockets. I'd let the dust settle before you start calling for heads.

I'm also fairly sure this hasn't blindsided our front office.

Actually I was thinking Morey had already gotten in touch with Dragic somehow... and convinced him to say he wont resign in Houston, hence Rockets can trade for him cheaply.... because they can say its a rental.. but we don't really know, just all speculations.

It wouldn't be Morey, that'd be tampering. But Harden seems like he has everyone's number. That being said it's most likely what it appears to be, if he's that annoyed at Phoenix to go in prison style, it would seem along the same line that he feels and carries issues with Houston for letting him go.

[TASTIC]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Its pretty simple. He doesn't trust your FO anymore. I mean why would he? You reward the year he had with nothing but dysfunction and stupidity. Beverly is very interesting though. He might be the best case scenario at this point. A Bledsoe-Beverly backcourt would have incredible defensive potential.

He also needs to realise he played like 50 games without his future back-court partner, to think he wouldn't have to share once Bled was back (after being re-signed to a massive deal), is ignorant.

The Thomas deal is what ruined this - I'm still leaning toward calling Dragic's bluff and sending out Thomas and Plumlee for Deng/Cole.

Get Hornacek to get him back with a 50-50 ball-handling share with Bled. Tell him we'll max him out. Keep his brother.

If we don't get a good pick(s)/player(s) this is going to be a MASSIVE setback.

[thamadkant]

A couple things about Kerssed's insider's story aren't adding up for me.

If everyone involved had known for a while that Dragic wanted out, why would the agent wait until less than 48 hours before the deadline to give us a list of teams? Since Dragic doesn't have to sign off on a trade, we could have pulled the trigger before this meeting ever happened. It doesn't make sense for them to wait this long to give us a list.

Also, since leaking the list obviously makes a trade more difficult, why would Dragic and/or his agent want that? It would increase the likelihood that we don't find a good trade and just stick with him for the rest of the season, which is the worst possible option for Dragic at this point.

Dragic has wanted out by not committing to re-signing with the Suns + he came out publicly a few weeks back saying every team has a chance to sign him... You dont think Suns FO heard that and had a chat with Dragic afterwards?

Hence why Suns came out last week saying that they will take him off the block if Dragic commits to re-signing. All this time, the Suns FO have been trying to convinced him to commit but he didnt... I believe the insider information... you'd be surprise which posters have connections.

[Revived]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

viewtopic.php?p=42711344#p42711344

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

Huh? This has nothing to do with Bledsoe and everything to do with IT.

Did you read the link I posted? Goran is fine and happy with Bledsoe.

[gaspar]

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

viewtopic.php?p=42711344#p42711344

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

What role? IT is doing what he's asked to do - be a spark plug off the bench. McDonough and Hornacek have said multiple times that they want IT in Phoenix for what he is - a 5-9 scoring guard. And he's filling that role perfectly.

It's Dragic who is not compatible with the team, not IT.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If Dragic goes, I wonder how this roster will be perceived in hindsight.

Was it a roster that was a 'disgruntled superstar' away from contending, or were we a team with no All-Stars and lots of treadmill players.

Additionally, sliding doors with Pau Gasol last year, what would have happened if we got him and even kept him.

[TASTIC]

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

viewtopic.php?p=42711344#p42711344

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

Huh? This has nothing to do with Bledsoe and everything to do with IT.

Did you read the link I posted? Goran is fine and happy with Bledsoe.

Sorry I didn't read the link!

Still - he's already said that if we move Thomas it won't change his mind, he wants out. I can't find the quote but he did say it/his agent has said it...

And it also does have to do with Bled a bit...had he re-signed straight away we'd never have signed Thomas as insurance

[TASTIC]

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

viewtopic.php?p=42711344#p42711344

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

What role? IT is doing what he's asked to do - be a spark plug off the bench. McDonough and Hornacek have said multiple times that they want IT in Phoenix for what he is - a 5-9 scoring guard. And he's filling that role perfectly.

It's Dragic who is not compatible with the team, not IT.

I guess my point is, Thomas is playing WITH the ball - so Dragic is barely playing the 1 at all.

I do agree with you in some respects, Dragic did need to adapt but simply hasn't. I mean look at the Celtics, Allen/Pierce/Garnett all had to change who they were for the greater good of the team - Dragic hasn't in that respect.

The going to LAL or NY thing is a joke. I don't want to hear ANYTHING about him wanting to win until those teams break .500...

[MGA]

This has as much to do with Bledsoe as it does with IT. Dragic simply wants to play point, not shooting guard. Obviously both we and him know that we're not trading away Bledsoe for that. It's as simple as that guys. You can't blame him since he played his best ball when running the point when Eric was out last season.


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