Are the Suns a treadmill team?

plonden · Post #101 » by **plonden** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:59 pm

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I hadn't noticed. That's great!

Frank Lee · Post #102 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:19 pm

The whole premise of the question is a bogus, you're essentially undermining the work McD and co have done by suggesting this team isn't moving forward. That on its own, is a joke. Experienced execs and GMs simply don't let their teams move backwards or sideways, it doesn't happen......

Are we assuming McDuh is experienced ? Seems like he has made some sideways blunders last yr that I would attribute to a learning curve.

This team, since the Colonjello days, has been plagued with an inexperienced FO.... D'Ant, Kerr, Sarver himself, Blanks, Babby, and McDuh all had the reigns but had never driven the wagon.

Furthermore, this 'Ainge method' that many believe McDuh is following has not bore any fruit. How long does it get to go on before fans wonder wtf ? At some point, the act of 'collecting' may hinder the overall rebuild. Boston (as well as Phnx) had better show some progress soon.

JTrain · Post #103 » by **JTrain** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:37 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
The whole premise of the question is a bogus, you're essentially undermining the work McD and co have done by suggesting this team isn't moving forward. That on its own, is a joke. Experienced execs and GMs simply don't let their teams move backwards or sideways, it doesn't happen......

Furthermore, this 'Ainge method' that many believe McDuh is following has not bore any fruit. How long does it get to go on before fans wonder wtf ? At some point, the act of 'collecting' may hinder the overall rebuild. Boston (as well as Phnx) had better show some progress soon.

Did you pay any attention in Physics class?

saintEscaton · Post #104 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:33 pm

My deference to authority is infallible reasoning. How dare you brazenly question our Messiah you wannabe armchair GM? What are your executive credentials? If you were so damn smart you would wipe that self-assuring smirk off your face and apply for a job in a NBA front office but of course no one would let you near one. In McDuh we trust some day he will deliver r us to the promise land in the not so distant future. But hey you'll never be Prom King if you don't first make it into the dance. You don't meet my homer criteria to qualify as a true fan so obviously you must be Suns hater! Championship or bust? Please temper your expectations you should know judging by our team history that is simply unrealistic. Would you rather support a pinball culture that incentivizes losing or watch an exciting slipshod squad overachieve and miss out on the playoffs for the 6th consecutive year/ Cauz you know at least we can take solace in trying and pride ourselves on being on the outside looking in. We will continue to strive towards the goal of assuring ourselves of a nationally televised embarrassment in the form of a first round exit

Here is the classic response to the naysayers

JTrain · Post #105 » by **JTrain** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:01 pm

Well, I have some egg on my face. I went and scolded Frank and I didn't even have the scientist right.

Post #106 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:23 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
The whole premise of the question is a bogus, you're essentially undermining the work McD and co have done by suggesting this team isn't moving forward. That on its own, is a joke. Experienced execs and GMs simply don't let their teams move backwards or sideways, it doesn't happen......

Are we assuming McDuh is experienced ? Seems like he has made some sideways blunders last yr that I would attribute to a learning curve.

This team, since the Colonjello days, has been plagued with an inexperienced FO.... D'Ant, Kerr, Sarver himself, Blanks, Babby, and McDuh all had the reigns but had never driven the wagon.

Furthermore, this 'Ainge method' that many believe McDuh is following has not bore any fruit. How long does it get to go on before fans wonder wtf ? At some point, the act of 'collecting' may hinder the overall rebuild. Boston (as well as Phnx) had better show some progress soon.

How long does it take? He has been GM for two years and was projected to win 17 after starting to rebuild. Patience, my friend.

And why is she wearing a bikini? I guess so she can look in the mirror every day before her workout and think to herself "This is what I look like in a bikini." If she succeeds though, she's definitely going to need a new one.

Frank Lee · Post #107 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:48 am

Choo Choo with the Hoo Hoo.... funny stuff Train

My interest will be taxed to watch another yr of hero ball starring Bledsoe, Morris and Tucker.

Some more changes need to be made, or we'll be spinning the wheels of mediocrity again. What good is collecting assets if you do not use them ?

MrMiyagi · Post #108 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:24 am

bwgood77 wrote:
How long does it take? He has been GM for two years and was projected to win 17 after starting to rebuild. Patience, my friend.

And why is she wearing a bikini? I guess so she can look in the mirror every day before her workout and think to herself "This is what I look like in a bikini." If she succeeds though, she's definitely going to need a new one.

Seriously, people would've been happier if we showed no signs of life. Remember when everyone, and I mean EVERYONE praised McD for getting Bledsoe for Dudley, Miles Plumlee Gerald Green and a 1st for Luis Scola? Remember how everyone trusted McD when he drafted Len and traded up for Archie and drafted TJ and Ennis and Bogdan because they were good prospects?

ONE blunder of signing IT -- which was to a great contract by the way -- that had unforeseen consequences led to us trading him and Dragic, Ennis and protected Laker Pick to get Brandon Knight. Now it's too early to tell if that was a good save or a lemon, but dammit give it some f*cking time people, or just change allegiance to f*cking Philly and live in the dream land of Tankersville where tomorrow is uncertain, but better than the **** we've got on the court for you now!

Post #109 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:26 am

Frank Lee wrote::lol: Choo Choo with the Hoo Hoo.... funny stuff Train

My interest will be taxed to watch another yr of hero ball starring Bledsoe, Morris and Tucker.

Some more changes need to be made, or we'll be spinning the wheels of mediocrity again. What good is collecting assets if you do not use them ?

You don't have to watch. It's ironic that your avatar has a smile and smoking a pipe, since you seem to think we are doomed, though I guess I like the pic of the mouse being thrust off the treadmill into success.

Frank Lee · Post #110 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Thats right.... I don't have to watch. Fans don't have to come to the ballgame. Posters don't have to post.

This FO puts another subpar product out there, they'll lose the town and whatever waning support they have. That doesn't make me a bad fan, nor does your labeling me as a doomer. I'd argue I am much less a doomer than you a starry eyed dreamer. I actually have hope for this yr, as long as we get rid the remaining negative deadweight....

Post #111 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:53 pm

MrMiyagi · Post #112 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:27 am

Frank Lee wrote:Thats right.... I don't have to watch. Fans don't have to come to the ballgame. Posters don't have to post.

This FO puts another subpar product out there, they'll lose the town and whatever waning support they have. That doesn't make me a bad fan, nor does your labeling me as a doomer. I'd argue I am much less a doomer than you a starry eyed dreamer. I actually have hope for this yr, as long as we get rid the remaining negative deadweight....

You're saying we're a treadmill team, stuck in place with no improvement in sight, yet you have hope for this season..... What the hell is your actual opinion?

Frank Lee · Post #113 » by **Frank Lee** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:32 am

We have all the symptons of a treadmiller. The improvement you have in sight is purely speculation. Keep in mind, we took two steps back last yr.

I hope we see enough from 2-3 of our prospects/additions to actually move forward with them as core pieces. As it is, IMO, we have one, maybe two proven players, and a bunch of maybes. And once again, we will forge onward with a chemistry experiment, with fingers crossed and safety glasses on. Sound familiar ?

MrMiyagi · Post #114 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:16 am

Frank Lee wrote:We have all the symptons of a treadmiller. The improvement you have in sight is purely speculation. Keep in mind, we took two steps back last yr.

I hope we see enough from 2-3 of our prospects/additions to actually move forward with them as core pieces. As it is, IMO, we have one, maybe two proven players, and a bunch of maybes. And once again, we will forge onward with a chemistry experiment, with fingers crossed and safety glasses on. Sound familiar ?

Are our new additions going to mesh with our current roster?

Are our young guys going to step it up this year?

So you just listed the same concerns LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN EVERY SINGLE SPORT experiences going into a season, but some how they're exclusively our problem..... :crazy:

Frank Lee · Post #115 » by **Frank Lee** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:41 pm

Considering our current roster was part of a dysfunctional locker room, poor on court chemistry, devoid of leadership or responsibility and flat out UGLY to watch... I think out concerns are a tad bit higher than 75% of the league. You can't conveniently ignore what happened last yr.

Our problems are our problems. Perhaps common amongst the more unsuccessful teams, yet unique to us. They have been identified and discussed. Even mentioned by our front office (i.e., no leadership/vets etc) S**t, by the time its done, we may have had 3 felons playing for us. Thats pretty special. 8-)

The last half of last yr was some of the worst Suns Basketball witnessed... so what do we do ? rinse repeat... throw out 6 to 7 guys and bring in new ones ? Is that the recipe for the playoffs ? Especially when you really have not established a solid legitimate core to build around??? Jeezus... our prize acquisition this yr, benched our prize prospect from last yr

About all we have is hope... hope that we get off this treadmill and make some real progress. The slate looks pretty clean.... again.

Wax on Miyagi... but eventually, you'll have to Wax Off.

MrMiyagi · Post #116 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:20 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Considering our current roster was part of a dysfunctional locker room, poor on court chemistry, devoid of leadership or responsibility and flat out UGLY to watch... I think out concerns are a tad bit higher than 75% of the league. You can't conveniently ignore what happened last yr.

Our problems are our problems. Perhaps common amongst the more unsuccessful teams, yet unique to us. They have been identified and discussed. Even mentioned by our front office (i.e., no leadership/vets etc) S**t, by the time its done, we may have had 3 felons playing for us. Thats pretty special.

The last half of last yr was some of the worst Suns Basketball witnessed... so what do we do ? rinse repeat... throw out 6 to 7 guys and bring in new ones ? Is that the recipe for the playoffs ? Especially when you really have not established a solid legitimate core to build around??? Jeezus... our prize acquisition this yr, benched our prize prospect from last yr About all we have is hope... hope that we get off this treadmill and make some real progress. The slate looks pretty clean.... again.

Wax on Miyagi... but eventually, you'll have to Wax Off.

So you're talking about issues we had last year were poor chemistry, but your don't like the cleaning house the Suns did because..... Why exactly? Isn't it pretty much agreed that IT, Dragic and Marcus were the causes of most of that? Is Tyson Chandler not a vet who can provide leadership?

Oh, but this coming season hasn't happened yet, so those moves count as nothing because there is no proof for any of it yet. But the embargo on optimism is exclusively reserved for the Suns basketball organization because the Spurs getting LMA is money in the bank, as is the Clippers getting Pierce and Smoove and bringing back DJ, as is the Bucks getting Monroe, as is Philly drafting Okafor, hell even the Knicks drafting Porzingis while Melo wastes the rest of his career on a $100 million+ contract is preferable to the "basketball hell" we're stuck in.

The only way to look at last season is we had chemistry issues because we weren't a contending team and getting rid of those chemistry issues isn't going to make us better at all. Being 39-43 despite chemistry issues and roster turnover leaves no room for optimism once we have rid ourselves of the main sources of those issues and have some cohesion going into a season. And don't think highly of the rookies, because even though they did well in Summer League, Summer League means nothing. Unless you're talking about Okafor or Porzingis, those guys are GODS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, and people get pissed that Kieff called out Suns fans.

RaisingArizona · Post #117 » by **RaisingArizona** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:08 pm

I said it then that Kieff was right. It's embarrassing to have our arena filled with just as many of our opponents fans.

Post #118 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:43 am

ginobiliflops wrote:I said it then that Kieff was right. It's embarrassing to have our arena filled with just as many of our opponents fans.

It used to be the same way with the Cards. Booker, Warren, Len and Chandler hopefully revive the fan base. They really should drop ticket prices for the fringe seats to almost nothing a couple of hours prior to game time, at least here and there, to get some loud fans in there.

Frank Lee · Post #119 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:11 am

McDuh cleaned house beginning 13-14.
cleaned house beginning of / during 14-15
and cleaned house for this yr

he's a regular gd janitor.

MrMiyagi · Post #120 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:34 am

Frank Lee wrote:McDuh cleaned house beginning 13-14.
cleaned house beginning of / during 14-15
and cleaned house for this yr

he's a regular gd janitor.

Frank, it's really starting to sound like you want to live in a perfect world where nothing can go wrong, that or you'd just rather hold on to the problems we've had in the past. Either way, you're more delusional than any "starry eyed dreamer"