2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[hollywood6964]

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As long as we're playing crystal ball predictions, I think that if we're still in the playoff race come trade deadline that we're going to swing a trade:

• Tyler Johnson
• Frank Kaminsky
• 2020 first rounder (top 25 protected) if not converted 2021 first rounder (top 20 protected) if not converted 2023 second rounder (unprotected) - since the Suns have already traded their next two second rounders adding a pick is a bit difficult

for

• Gallinari

All players are expiring - OKC gets a pick for an expiring. Suns upgrade the power forward position who plays the same role as Saric (stretching the floor / moving the ball) and move Saric off the bench.

Rubio / Carter / Jermone
Booker / Bridges
Oubre / Johnson
Gallinari / Saric
Ayton / Baynes

I get the feeling Jones is taking the patient view on the rebuild. If he wants Gallo I see him waiting till summer

I am not sure about the exact numbers but I think that we will no have enough money to offer him a big contract. We would have to renounce to sign some of our own players ( Saric, Baynes, Tyler and Carter).

I really like Gallinari, but it's Saric OR him for us.

Gallinari.....idk, he wants to be too big of a piece. He just isn't good enough, doesn't play D, and has major health issues. I'd say no unless he has some revelation and wants to be a nice bench guy, 6th man.

[Walt_Uoob]

Otto Porter Jr. is smaller than Gallinari or Love but can play small-ball 4 and is much younger (they're both 31 and he's 26). He's off to a rough start this year and raising red flags about his hip, so he could potentially be another reclamation project who might come fairly cheap and then thrive for us if we got him off the Bulls. Makes a ton of money and will presumably pick up his option for next year, so Tyler and another contract might be enough. Expires in 2021, so could become a long-term piece, salary cap space for us, or flipped again to a team eyeing a FA in that 2021 class.

But yeah, that kinda sounds more like McD talk than JJ's style. Though if JJ believes in him he might go for it.

[NapoleonII]

Could we make some moves to be a max-slot free agency destination in 2021?

Oubre will be off the books, Mikal/Cam Johnson and Ayton still on their rookie deals.

Rubio/Booker/Mikal/CamJo/Ayton.

Throw a 25-26 year old Giannis into that core? That's 60+ wins and a team coming out the West for years.

Rubio
Booker
Mikal/CamJo
Giannis
Ayton

+ throw a bench together.

[Saberestar]

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[Saberestar]

Otto Porter Jr. is smaller than Gallinari or Love but can play small-ball 4 and is much younger (they're both 31 and he's 26). He's off to a rough start this year and raising red flags about his hip, so he could potentially be another reclamation project who might come fairly cheap and then thrive for us if we got him off the Bulls. Makes a ton of money and will presumably pick up his option for next year, so Tyler and another contract might be enough. Expires in 2021, so could become a long-term piece, salary cap space for us, or flipped again to a team eyeing a FA in that 2021 class.

But yeah, that kinda sounds more like McD talk than JJ's style. Though if JJ believes in him he might go for it.

Yeah, but Gallinari and Love are way better basketball players. That is big.

I would not trade for Porter. He is too expensive and we have already Mikal, Oubre and Cam who play the same position and they have similar skillset and body frame.

[Funky Tut]

Could we make some moves to be a max-slot free agency destination in 2021?

Oubre will be off the books, Mikal/Cam Johnson and Ayton still on their rookie deals.

Rubio/Booker/Mikal/CamJo/Ayton.

Throw a 25-26 year old Giannis into that core? That's 60+ wins and a team coming out the West for years.

Rubio
Booker
Mikal/CamJo
Giannis
Ayton

+ throw a bench together.

Dream scenario. We need to build a winning culture first for attractive FA's to come here which I feel like we are currently.

[bwoolf2]

We are already talking about silly trades, we need continuity let's enjoy this for awhile before we start rosterbating...

[Djedefre]

Bridges' play is concerning

[MathiasPW]

Aaron The Wizard Nelson is in Phoenix. Everyone gets hurt. Aaron The Wizard Nelson goes to New Orleans. Zion gets hurt. Darius Miller has season ending injury. Jrue gets hurt. Favors gets hurt.

Coincidence?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Oubres prince costume was pretty damn spot on



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[bwgood77]

Oubres prince costume was pretty damn spot on



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He's a little taller though.

[Stark]

I don't like the idea of trading for Love. I like him as a player but probably only for 2 years after that his contract will be a burden. Also I am familiar with Saric as a player from Turkey too. He really doesn't like playing in a reduced role if we bench him for an older vet like Love or Gallinari he will probably ask for a trade. I believe he also didn't like the Wolves treatment of him because they gave him limited minutes at first.

This summer James Jones should decide if Saric is a long term starter or not. I don't think Saric would settle for a smaller role. I'm OK with signing Saric for something around 14M. It would be a good trade piece for the future too.

However I'm also a huge fan of Jeremy Grant btw. Probably the most realistic PF target for the team after Saric. He can defend multiple positions, solid rim protector and a shooter. Pretty much all you want from a modern NBA 4. For the sake of chemistry I would probably keep Saric though. I wish we could have both of them but probably impossible cap-wise :/

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Bridges' play is concerning

I'm a big Bridges supporter but yeah he hasn't played well so far. I would like him to get some more run to try and get in a groove but I also can't blame Williams for playing the guys who are producing.

The god forsaken hitch in his shot that wasn't there in college just baffles and annoys me.

I haven't hit the panic button yet but he simply needs to play better.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't like the idea of trading for Love. I like him as a player but probably only for 2 years after that his contract will be a burden. Also I am familiar with Saric as a player from Turkey too. He really doesn't like playing in a reduced role if we bench him for an older vet like Love or Gallinari he will probably ask for a trade. I believe he also didn't like the Wolves treatment of him because they gave him limited minutes at first.

This summer James Jones should decide if Saric is a long term starter or not. I don't think Saric would settle for a smaller role. I'm OK with signing Saric for something around 14M. It would be a good trade piece for the future too.

However I'm also a huge fan of Jeremy Grant btw. Probably the most realistic PF target for the team after Saric. He can defend multiple positions, solid rim protector and a shooter. Pretty much all you want from a modern NBA 4. For the sake of chemistry I would probably keep Saric though. I wish we could have both of them but probably impossible cap-wise :/

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I love me some Grant and was saying before the draft I would have been willing to trade 6 for him. Now that Denver has him I don't really see a path to get him.

I like Dario. Let's see how the season plays out and if they like him they have the ability to keep him as a RFA.

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[Qwigglez]

Only trade I would consider is DeAndre Ayton, Ty Johnson for Karl Anthony Towns.

[MrMiyagi]

Only trade I would consider is DeAndre Ayton, Ty Johnson for Karl Anthony Towns.

Dammit Qwigglez, why'd you have to go and make me all conflicted right now?

[Frank Lee]

Do you guys really think a Jones would move Tyler? He’s a good expiring... but it feels to me like the #1 goal is to turn the culture around, and that Tyler can really help with the culture... I have a feeling we see no trades as Jones wants the guys to build continuity and change the culture.

No, because I think when most mention trading him it's so another team could get an expiring, but that means they would be dumping money onto us, and my guess is we'd rather keep our space clean barring someone giving up a really useful player.

If anything, I think we might re-sign him if he's worth it. I'd probably rather have him at ML money than a guy like Saric at $15.

If Saric keeps playing like he did against GS I’d be happy to get him on a $15m deal... only FA this summer that possibly looks more interesting to replace the pf spot is Grant..

We really need to see Ayton when he gets back.. if he becomes a consistent rim protector like the Kings game then Ayton + Saric will be a great fit.

I guess my question to anyone who knows is.... if we trade Tyler Johnson for a like sized or more salary can we still ink up both Baynes and Saric? We are already over the cap. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2020/ according to that site, we will be over the cap even with TJos expiring. (Our Man Book is almost a 30 mill dog). I think we blew our FA wad on Rubes, Book, and Oubre and thus over the cap. But as it was with Oubre, we could go over the cap to retain him. Im wondering if that will apply to both AB abd DS next yr, Carter too.

If we dont trade Johnson, he essentially walks for nothing. Deal him and we could be adding a pretty good player whilst may be keeping most of this current squad. We should always be on the prowl to improve talent.

Come december, the picture will be much clearer on our needs and intentions, as well as a better explaination of our options. It seems like a long way off, but its only 30 games or so.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No, because I think when most mention trading him it's so another team could get an expiring, but that means they would be dumping money onto us, and my guess is we'd rather keep our space clean barring someone giving up a really useful player.

If anything, I think we might re-sign him if he's worth it. I'd probably rather have him at ML money than a guy like Saric at $15.

If Saric keeps playing like he did against GS I’d be happy to get him on a $15m deal... only FA this summer that possibly looks more interesting to replace the pf spot is Grant..

We really need to see Ayton when he gets back.. if he becomes a consistent rim protector like the Kings game then Ayton + Saric will be a great fit.

I guess my question to anyone who knows is.... if we trade Tyler Johnson for a like sized or more salary can we still ink up both Baynes and Saric? We are already over the cap. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2020/ according to that site, we will be over the cap even with TJos expiring. (Our Man Book is almost a 30 mill dog). I think we blew our FA wad on Rubes, Book, and Oubre and thus over the cap. But as it was with Oubre, we could go over the cap to retain him. Im wondering if that will apply to both AB abd DS next yr, Carter too.

If we dont trade Johnson, he essentially walks for nothing. Deal him and we could be adding a pretty good player whilst may be keeping most of this current squad. We should always be on the prowl to improve talent.

Come december, the picture will be much clearer on our needs and intentions, as well as a better explaination of our options. It seems like a long way off, but its only 30 games or so.

Yes, they would have bird rights on any of the FAe and can go over the cap to resign them.

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[Crives]

If Saric keeps playing like he did against GS I’d be happy to get him on a $15m deal... only FA this summer that possibly looks more interesting to replace the pf spot is Grant..

We really need to see Ayton when he gets back.. if he becomes a consistent rim protector like the Kings game then Ayton + Saric will be a great fit.

I guess my question to anyone who knows is.... if we trade Tyler Johnson for a like sized or more salary can we still ink up both Baynes and Saric? We are already over the cap. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2020/ according to that site, we will be over the cap even with TJos expiring. (Our Man Book is almost a 30 mill dog). I think we blew our FA wad on Rubes, Book, and Oubre and thus over the cap. But as it was with Oubre, we could go over the cap to retain him. Im wondering if that will apply to both AB abd DS next yr, Carter too.

If we dont trade Johnson, he essentially walks for nothing. Deal him and we could be adding a pretty good player whilst may be keeping most of this current squad. We should always be on the prowl to improve talent.

Come december, the picture will be much clearer on our needs and intentions, as well as a better explaination of our options. It seems like a long way off, but its only 30 games or so.

Yes, they would have bird rights on any of the FAe and can go over the cap to resign them.

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I think AB and Sarics cap holds are around 10m, with Tyler’s cap hold being ~28m.

If we let all three cap holds go we have ~26m in space.

If we want to keep all three..
1. Keep Saric cap hold of 10m
2. Sign Baynes + Tyler to starting salary <= 16m
3. Resign Saric over the cap.

[bwgood77]

Only trade I would consider is DeAndre Ayton, Ty Johnson for Karl Anthony Towns.

Dammit Qwigglez, why'd you have to go and make me all conflicted right now?

Don't feel THAT conflicted. Minnesota wouldn't entertain trading Towns...he's upped his game another level. I know it's only 4 games but 27.3 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 4 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.8 bpg and 53% from 3 on 8.5 3PA a game. Meanwhile Ayton is on the long drug suspension.