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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1181 » by Slim Charless » Wed May 22, 2019 9:06 pm

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There are A LOT of teams with cap space this summer and a lot of those teams will likely look more appealing than the Suns.


This is something that I feel like people like to ignore. FA in general is a dangerous place for bad teams but this year is really scary. Not that the suns shouldnt try in FA or that there aren't some bargain guys that could be good under the radar pickups but realistically trades are probably the better route for the suns to try to improve.

Edit- actually if we're being very realistic the number 1 way the suns could improve next season would be for their own players to take a leap, specifically Ayton and Bridges as it's common for a nice year two jump for good players.



I think he's gonna be 21 and 12 guy next year EASY, while hopefully getting his blocks up over 2 as well. Monty was there 1st hand for the development of AD and was there during the massive jump Embiid made this year from last. He knows big men, I wouldn't be surprised if Ayton was the main reason that we got him. Deandre is gonna be all-nba with in the next 2 years I'd imagine. We FINALLY have one of those at the C position :nod:
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1182 » by BobbieL » Wed May 22, 2019 9:08 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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There are A LOT of teams with cap space this summer and a lot of those teams will likely look more appealing than the Suns.


This is something that I feel like people like to ignore. FA in general is a dangerous place for bad teams but this year is really scary. Not that the suns shouldnt try in FA or that there aren't some bargain guys that could be good under the radar pickups but realistically trades are probably the better route for the suns to try to improve.

Edit- actually if we're being very realistic the number 1 way the suns could improve next season would be for their own players to take a leap, specifically Ayton and Bridges as it's common for a nice year two jump for good players.


I think this reason is why I am advocating a more veteran PG who can help the players you list get better. Ja Morant may have oodles of potential but how will he be as a rookie trying to learn the game. Sure, SGA with the Clippers did a very good job. But there are guys like Conley, Lowry, Rubio - that seemed to have to figure things out for a couple years. If the Suns could get a veteran PG - limitations and all - maybe that player could help the growth of Booker and Ayton.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1183 » by Slim Charless » Wed May 22, 2019 10:26 pm

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Of course, Who wouldn't man, But who here honestly thinks that they're going to be willing to willing to spend around 20 million on Johnson, When Jackson would be much cheaper.

And is younger, and fits their interests more for a young cheap athletic wing with defensive potential.

I'd love to get a team with space to give us something whilst taking our worst contract. But in my trade proposals, I try to be as realistic as possible to the current value of our assets.

But if anyone thinks that the Hawks would do that trade for Johnson instead of Jackson, Please ask them..............

And let them tell me that I am wrong??? :wink:


Well then wish them good luck and we both go our own separate ways. I get that we've not had the most success the last few years but that doesn't mean that we need to have a fire sale for all of our players either. Its not amazon prime day for suns players. Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't we use a young cheap athletic wing with defensive potential? I mean if Jackson's value is sooo low why not just hold onto him, see if Monty can turn him around.

If all he's worth is a low 2nd round pick now,then there's a chance he can only go up from there I'd imagine yes? He's not without talent he was a consensus top-5 pick in his class, he's raw like a lot of these guys. What's the harm in seeing if he can put it together with an actual NBA coach...


Honestly, I think that saying we haven't had the most success the last few years is really a gross understatement. 10 years of missing the playoffs and over the last 5 years, we've only averaged slightly above 20 wins, With The very worst being last season. But why not ..........

Let's definitely hold onto the same roster that did an amazing job of leading us to 19 wins. Also, I wouldn't classify attaching one player with probably the worst perceived value based upon metrics, etc. In a trade for cap space and also getting a 2nd round pick back ( for use in a larger trade) having a fire sale either.

Yes, It would be nice to have a young, cheap, athletic defensive wing player. But isn't that what Bridges is already, and honestly at about half the price of what Jackson will cost us come November???

As per his value, I enquired not too far back( obviously prior to his latest fiasco) and the responses based upon his overall metrics, his 9 million contract extension due in November, and his erratic and inconsistent play left many with the perception that his value is in the range of a mid to late first round pick AT THE VERY BEST.

And that's only in terms of a team that is actually high on his potential. Now are yhose people undervaluing him, Or are we guilty of overvaluing our own players due to us being so bad for so long?

Hard to tell, but I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
But if we decide to hold onto him, in order to try and raise his value in the next 3-4 months, Before we have to make a big decision on him contractually, So be it.

In the end, I guess that I'm just trying to understand the mentality that some people have on here, Wherein we being a 19 win team are expected to get better and somehow become competitive.

When we have limited cap space to actually offer, Obviously aren't a free agent destination, and in that reality, The only realistic and viable option for our improvement obviously lies within a trade.

However, Due to being bad for so long, We covet and overvalue our only available assets for trade. Because of the fear of what exactly? Maybe becoming worse, IF that's even possible?

Remember the saying........"The definition of insanity is to repeat the same scenario, Yet expect a different outcome".

I know that we're a really poor team, But we really need to start being realistic as to the value of our roster, especially in terms of perceived value from other teams.

Of course we could always just leave the roster as is, I mean it done well for us so far hasn't it???


With regards to 1st part of the statement, I get it-we suck. At that same time I think we've also been-especially towards the latter part of the season, one the biggest tanking teams in the league. I mean the Ben SImmons year, the Fultz year (not that he has done anything but still) and the Ayton year how many games do really think we were trying to win that last month? Not too many imho. We wanted to lose in order to add 1 of the consensus can't miss players in those respective drafts. We got one <shrug>

As to second part. In your own words you say we're not a free agent destination so that means we have to overpay for mediocre players? We give away 6th overall, Jackson, and Warren so we can have the honor of paying Collison or Aminu 20 million a year? You know back in the Nash days we were a destination and if we had that team now I have no doubt that KD, Kawhi or any of the others guys would look at us favorably, and then I'd be all about giving away whatever to to free up space to sign them. Its not the Nash days though and we have who we have. Overpaying meh dudes isnt the way back there.

Once again I'm not against trading dudes, I'm against trading them at their lowest point for scrapes. I mean look no further then the Nets, they didn't have any picks or hope thanks to BIlly King. How'd they get better? By buying low on players that other teams have giving up hope on. I'm down to send off whomever if we can get a good player in return.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1184 » by Saberestar » Wed May 22, 2019 10:31 pm

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.
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Post#1185 » by BobbieL » Wed May 22, 2019 10:40 pm

Saberestar wrote:Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.


I heard that too - Gambo was funny - -he said if it s gets to 15-20m - that is too high for Oubre. I get there needs to be a number but 14m to 15m is one thing - 14m to say 17m is another. But I even think 14m is too high. 4/50 is where I am at for Oubre.

The Brogdon numbers - -Bledsoe are workable. I am not sure I go much higher than that. Gambo did have some good names - almost like he is reading this board instead of talking to the hot dog vendor and the parking attendate (we know he is not talking to anybody in the FO - too much turnover and Sarver is distancing himself) - but Collison, Thad Young, Beverley were mentioned.
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Re: Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer? 

Post#1186 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 22, 2019 11:40 pm

Saberestar wrote:Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

That's interesting. Seems I've over-inflated the value of both Brogdon and Oubre. I thought Oubre was looking at around $16-18m with the upper limit for me being $15m. It would appear $10-12m is his market which great news for us.
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Post#1187 » by Kerrsed » Thu May 23, 2019 2:32 am

Wont pay $15M for Oubre to be our 3rd best player.......but paying Johnson $19M to be our....6th best player?
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Post#1188 » by lilfishi22 » Thu May 23, 2019 2:34 am

Kerrsed wrote:Wont pay $15M for Oubre to be our 3rd best player.......but paying Johnson $19M to be our....6th best player?

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Post#1189 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu May 23, 2019 2:59 am

Kerrsed wrote:Wont pay $15M for Oubre to be our 3rd best player.......but paying Johnson $19M to be our....6th best player?
Well they were paying knight to be their 15th best player, then Anderson to be about the 13th best player so they are moving in the right direction with that contract :)

What I find funny about gambos comment is they are in trouble if Oubre is their 3rd best player at any cost.

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Post#1193 » by bigfoot » Thu May 23, 2019 4:49 am

On a brighter note ... new Suns uniforms for next year ... gonna pick up the orange one as soon as they are out

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Post#1195 » by KLEON » Thu May 23, 2019 5:18 am

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Post#1196 » by kennydorglas » Thu May 23, 2019 5:18 am

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Post#1197 » by KLEON » Thu May 23, 2019 5:23 am

Saberestar wrote:Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

I don't give a damn, break the bank for Brogdon. I can't go another season watching this team without a elite PG
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Post#1198 » by timetoshinebaby » Thu May 23, 2019 9:07 am

Given D'Angelo's incident, it seems certain he is signing with us.
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