The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/07/09/nba-free-agency-best-available-players-rumors/74342636007/

Best free agents available

PG Tyus Jones
SG Gary Trent Jr.
SF Saddiq Bey
PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SF Gordon Hayward
SF Isaac Okoro
C Paul Reed............N/A
C Precious Achiuwa
SG Lonnie Walker
PG Kyle Lowry
SF Robert Covington
PG Dennis Smith Jr

So IF these are the best remaining unsigned free agents, which one or two would/ should we aggressively target with our last roster spot? Which two should we target if we waive Roddy and don't bring back Okogie (redundant with Dunn) and really, would only be useful as a larger salary trade asset due to us being able to offer him around 12 million for potential salary matching in trades.

I think for my part, I'd choose to decline Roddy, not bring back Okogie in order to open up two final roster spots?

Roddy is under contract so you can't 'decline' him. You could cut him or trade him but he's on the books.

And Bey, Lowry, Reed are all off the board

Wasn't/ isn't Roddy on a team contract though??
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

My understanding was that a team can decline a player on a team option. Was his option picked up recently or something man?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78149/david-roddy#:~:text=2022%2D2025%20Rookie,dead%20cap%20value%20of%20%242%2C847%2C240.

2024-25: Club Option (deadline 10/31/23, exercised 10/23/23)

..........................Never mind! I see that they picked it up back on October 23rd. Still, I would've waived/stretched him IF I couldn't line up a trade for him to create an open spot for a better-fitting option!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I mean I get why they did it! To create another potential trade asset in that specific salary range, But who are the realistic targets under our "dollar for dollar 2nd apron restrictions now??

[Mulhollanddrive]

I guess we're playing Okogie then, rather give Dunn 60 games experience.

[dremill24]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2024/07/09/nba-free-agency-best-available-players-rumors/74342636007/

Best free agents available

PG Tyus Jones
SG Gary Trent Jr.
SF Saddiq Bey
PG Spencer Dinwiddie
SF Gordon Hayward
SF Isaac Okoro
C Paul Reed............N/A
C Precious Achiuwa
SG Lonnie Walker
PG Kyle Lowry
SF Robert Covington
PG Dennis Smith Jr

So IF these are the best remaining unsigned free agents, which one or two would/ should we aggressively target with our last roster spot? Which two should we target if we waive Roddy and don't bring back Okogie (redundant with Dunn) and really, would only be useful as a larger salary trade asset due to us being able to offer him around 12 million for potential salary matching in trades.

I think for my part, I'd choose to decline Roddy, not bring back Okogie in order to open up two final roster spots?

Roddy is under contract so you can't 'decline' him. You could cut him or trade him but he's on the books.

And Bey, Lowry, Reed are all off the board

Wasn't/ isn't Roddy on a team contract though??
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

My understanding was that a team can decline a player on a team option. Was his option picked up recently or something man?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78149/david-roddy#:~:text=2022%2D2025%20Rookie,dead%20cap%20value%20of%20%242%2C847%2C240.

2024-25: Club Option (deadline 10/31/23, exercised 10/23/23)

..........................Never mind! I see that they picked it up back on October 23rd. Still, I would've waived/stretched him IF I couldn't line up a trade for him to create an open spot for a better-fitting option!

Yeah. 1st Round Rookie contracts have their 3rd year team options exercised prior to the start of their 2nd season. Then similar foe the 4th year option, so they're on the hook for this (3rd yr) and have until Halloween-ish to decide on his 4th year option for NEXT season.

I'd be ok with trading him too but it probly is only worth it if it doesnt cost me anything to get off him (seems unlikely), and only if theres someone actually available to me that could get minutes in his roster spot.

[enigmatics]

Yeeeeesh $428 million committed to this roster let alone any roster is just outright absurd.

It's getting to the point where all the insanely stupid money that is flowing around this league - from the franchise values on down to the rosters - is pushing me further away as a fan.

[mkot]

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I mean I get why they did it! To create another potential trade asset in that specific salary range, But who are the realistic targets under our "dollar for dollar 2nd apron restrictions now??

I think they are overthinking too much trying to outsmart the system, but at the end this is an overpaid, it's a tradable piece, but is it good trade asset that could help down the road? I highly doubt it.

$428M is wild, that's the kind of money you would pay for a championship team, this team aint it, far from it

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So we really gonna have Monte starting huh?

No

I totally forgot about Beal as starting 1 is still a thing

[Revived]

Has any NBA owner ever gone bankrupt before? I can see it in Ishbia’s future especially with lower and lower home sales in the US which is his primary source of income.

[They_Them_Hatin]

There’s barely any good players that make $8 million. If that was his max, whatever but if they could’ve went higher, they should’ve.

[garrick]

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I mean I get why they did it! To create another potential trade asset in that specific salary range, But who are the realistic targets under our "dollar for dollar 2nd apron restrictions now??

We can thank JJ for his top heavy free agent signings in previous years and stocking the roster with the D.Lee, Okogie and Ish Wainright's of the league only commanding the league minimum so now we are basically forced to overpay Okogie in the hopes that there will be a future trade partner we can work with.

The only way someone takes Okogie is if we attach one of our few future 2nd round picks or God forbid the 2031 pick.

We really should have kept Dario and Payne and resigned them to team friendly deals instead of just trading them away for TPE's and garbage players but one hallmark of JJ's team building is that he typically does not resign players to multi year deals and prefers to let them walk if they don't want to come back on the league minimum.

[lilfishi22]

Totally fine with this move. Creates a potential $8m trade contract which we wouldn't have had before and if it doesn't turn into anything...it's only 1 year guaranteed. We're so deep into the 2nd apron, it makes no difference whether we resigned him to the vet min +20% or the $8m.

This has the hallmarks of a Matt Tellem move and Bobby Mark likes it

[bigfoot]

How much is Okogie gonna cost the Suns? Say another team wants to pay him $8M. What is the Suns real cost to exceed that offer? Is it like $50M because of the extra penalities?

Cough!

[bigfoot]

Has any NBA owner ever gone bankrupt before? I can see it in Ishbia’s future especially with lower and lower home sales in the US which is his primary source of income.

New NBA TV deal is about $7 billion per year in revenue. Old deal was $2.67 billion. That is a 250% increase in TV revenue. In the latest CBA, the salary cap is smoothed so it can only increase 10% per year. The owners will be flush with cash for a few years. Players probably pissed.

[Mr Puddles]

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I mean I get why they did it! To create another potential trade asset in that specific salary range, But who are the realistic targets under our "dollar for dollar 2nd apron restrictions now??

I think they are overthinking too much trying to outsmart the system, but at the end this is an overpaid, it's a tradable piece, but is it good trade asset that could help down the road? I highly doubt it.

$428M is wild, that's the kind of money you would pay for a championship team, this team aint it, far from it

I'll wait for the trade deadline till reserving judgment on these deals, but it feels to me like it would been smarter to give that money on top of Royce's deal and make this a two year signing.

E.g. Jarred Allen makes 20 mil a year, why not give royce 20 mil on a shorter deal so that you have a player you can pair with a pick and match the salary of a difference maker rather than spreading practically the same money across him and Okogie?

Again, I'll need to see the rest of the moves play out this year. Who knows, maybe all of these signings are part of a masterplan far too sophisticated for the feeble mind of Mr Puddles to comprehend.

[Bogyo]

Has any NBA owner ever gone bankrupt before? I can see it in Ishbia’s future especially with lower and lower home sales in the US which is his primary source of income.

New NBA TV deal is about $7 billion per year in revenue. Old deal was $2.67 billion. That is a 250% increase in TV revenue. In the latest CBA, the salary cap is smoothed so it can only increase 10% per year. The owners will be flush with cash for a few years. Players probably pissed.

Also, expansion teams will probably pay a large one-off sum to existing owners. That alone will pay for (most of) our luxury tax for one year. Then the new TV money smoothed out as well. So Ishbia will be fine either way.(ratecuts coming, should help realestate and mortgage business in 2-5 year window)

[Bogyo]

So who the heck is making 8 mill or less, that could be had for an expiring and a couple of seconds (or...gulp.. a 2031 unprotected), and is actually any good to help us? Legit starting PG, legit starting big wing, best bench PF/C who is almost capable of starting?

[mkot]

Again, I'll need to see the rest of the moves play out this year. Who knows, maybe all of these signings are part of a masterplan far too sophisticated for the feeble mind of Mr Puddles to comprehend.

Yeah I just hope they have a plan or target when giving out the contract, because as it stands I don't see anyone making $8m or less impact player in the market available for trade, and even if they do it's not a guarantee they'd be happy taking on *just* an expiring

Ah well it's not my money and it's only 1 year

[thamadkant]

What's the chances of NO ONE trading for Okogie at 8M a year?


I think Suns are gambling and hoping for a couple of aces dealt their way.

[thamadkant]

Seeing the Suns pay 420M for a mediocre looking team is making sick actually.

NBA players getting 60M a year also makes me sick. And soon sicker with 80M a year likely.

But back to the Suns....it just looks like they're hoping to get lucky some team is going to help them.

[lilfishi22]

What's the chances of NO ONE trading for Okogie at 8M a year?


I think Suns are gambling and hoping for a couple of aces dealt their way.

It's a non-zero chance but who cares. It's a "trump card" of sorts that you either use it or lose it. Ishbia said F it and used it, added another $47m to the tax bill JUST to give us this flexibility. Will it definitely pay off? No but I applaud an owner willing to do whatever it is in their power just to increase the chances of improving on the edges.

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