Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Revived]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

Lol isn't that tampering?

[Flying Colors]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

Lol isn't that tampering?

I believe it isnt if its player doing it

[jcsunsfan]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

Lol isn't that tampering?

I believe it isnt if its player doing it

It can be, if it is sanctioned in any way by the team.

[Flying Colors]

Lol isn't that tampering?

I believe it isnt if its player doing it

It can be, if it is sanctioned in any way by the team.

I suppose without a paper trail, that probably be difficult to prove

[Revived]

Spoiler:

I like Archie as much as the next guy - check last year's draft thread and you'll see I thought he was the best pick we made last year, but the dude has NOT worked on his game. He can say what he wants but his shot is still way off and his handles are not good when he's pressured/
He is shooting 45% in the D-League and ONLY FIFTY PERCENT from the line. 16-32 in 5 games is not acceptable for ANY guard, especially one who's game is built on speed, slashing and drawing contact.

For a league with bloated stats, efficiency is what he should be working on - only 7-20 on 3s as well isn't flash.

He might be another DJ Strawberry; that elusive blend of talent, promise, youth and athleticism - but just never gets it all together.

Voicing like he did is not acceptable, questioning the organisation is NOT the way to endear yourself to your coach or your GM or the franchise in general. Keep your head down, keep dropping 25-30 points, playing good D and play hard at training.

The dude is 20.

He literally has one big game against the Kings and one big dunk on Jonas. There are hints and tastes of what he CAN do, but he can't do them at the NBA level on a consistent basis - if he could, you can't tell me Hornacek wouldn't have seen it during practive and wouldn't be playing him like he has with Len.

TONS of players are annoyed and frustrated with their minutes I'm sure, what makes him so special? I hate Plumlee asking for a trade when the team is winning because that's as selfish as you can get in a team sport, but at least he has a full season as a starter under his belt.

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:



The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

Goodwin honestly doesn't look like he gives an ish about the D league anymore. His FT shooting hasn't even been a problem in the NBA.

He's shooting 73% from the FT in the NBA for this season. That's not bad at all. 70% for his career.

As a rookie, Goodwin averaged very similar per-minute stats to Monta Ellis. Goodwin posted 14.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 50.7 and a below-average PER (10.34); meanwhile, Ellis averaged 15.1 points, 4.7 rebounds and 3.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 48.6 and a PER of 11.13 in his rookie campaign. The real difference between the two was in the volume of which they played.

Goodwin’s per game statistics paled in comparison to Ellis’, as he averaged less than four points per outing, while playing just 10.3 minutes a night. It wasn’t like Goodwin was ineffective when he was on the court though, as he played well given extended minutes. In games that Goodwin saw at least 19 minutes of playing time, he averaged 17.3 points and 4.8 rebounds, while shooting 71.1% from the floor. Those numbers are nothing to scoff at.

Even this season, Goodwin has made the most of his playing time, and that isn’t limited to just how he’s played on the Suns. When Goodwin has been sent down to Bakersfield, he’s thrived, putting up ridiculous stat lines left and right.

In Goodwin’s D-League debut last year, he posted 32 points and 8 rebounds, and followed it up the very next day with a 27-point, 4-rebound performance. Goodwin would close out his first stint with the Jam by dropping 28 and 25 points on back-to-back nights, while adding an average of 6.0 rebounds in just 30.5 minutes per game. It’s been the same story this season, as he scored 29 points on 12-of-18 shooting in his first game in the D-League, playing only 32 minutes in a Jam victory.

As far as Goodwin is concerned, the question isn’t whether or not he can be a successful player, but rather whether or not he’ll have the opportunity to show what he can do against NBA competition. However, at the end of the day, one problem remains; if Goodwin isn’t on the court, he missing out on valuable NBA experience

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2015/01/16/a ... n-the-mix/

I get what you mean but when your only 'platform' is practice and the D-League, SHOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.

He can't say he's too good for the D-League if he isn't being efficient and dropping 25pts 47-50%FG and 78%+ from the line.

PROVE you deserve to be in the NBA long term.

I agree with the other guys he'll be Green's replacement, but he needs to be patient and he needs to work on that broken shot. When he shoots a 3 it looks like a PF or C is being forced to take it, his form is horrible and still too low - same at the line.

Goodwin has been very efficient every time that he's actually gotten quality minutes.

11/19 @ SAC: 19 minutes played - 16 pts on 70% shooting

2/25 vs MIN: 16 minutes played - 10 pts on 55% shooting and 5 rebounds

2/26 vs UTA: 27 minutes played - 16 pts on 60% shooting and 7 rebounds.

4/16 @ SAC: 31 minutes played - 29 pts on 84% shooting

He only had one game in which he got good minutes and played bad and that was at home against Sacramento when he got 18 mins of playing time.

Don't get me wrong, I know there's plenty of things for Archie to improve on. Plenty. However, I do feel that his hard work and patience thus far deserves him getting a spot in the rotation for at least a week or two just to see how he does.

I can guarantee we won't lose any games because Goodwin got 5-10 mins in a game. Hell we have seen 20 pt leads drained to 2 pt deficits when Plumlee is in the game or when Green and IT do dumb stuff due to their ridiculous low Bball iq so Goodwin's affect on the score won't be anywhere as bad.

[Qwigglez]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

Maybe when he said that he meant it like... I hope your team trades for me so we can be BFFs!

[Sunsdeuce]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

Maybe when he said that he meant it like... I hope your team trades for me so we can be BFFs!

“I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year." ...........On my bowling team!

[gaspar]

cyberx: "Some in Rox organization are scared Dwight may need microfracture surgery."

[Frank Lee]

DHow about to go into a the 'Amare Spiral'

I think it is time to revisit IT for Illyasova. Then tie Plumlee in to a Sanders buy out. I'd roll the dice on the troubled Larry, especially w damaged goods discount. Start with the IT offer though. As much as I'd miss half pint, I see this as win win.

[carey]

cyberx: "Some in Rox organization are scared Dwight may need microfracture surgery."

Since when, he hasn't missed a game since early December and played 35 minutes on Monday?

[WTFsunsFTW]

I like Archie as much as the next guy - check last year's draft thread and you'll see I thought he was the best pick we made last year, but the dude has NOT worked on his game. He can say what he wants but his shot is still way off and his handles are not good when he's pressured/

Spoiler:

He is shooting 45% in the D-League and ONLY FIFTY PERCENT from the line. 16-32 in 5 games is not acceptable for ANY guard, especially one who's game is built on speed, slashing and drawing contact.

For a league with bloated stats, efficiency is what he should be working on - only 7-20 on 3s as well isn't flash.

He might be another DJ Strawberry; that elusive blend of talent, promise, youth and athleticism - but just never gets it all together.

Voicing like he did is not acceptable, questioning the organisation is NOT the way to endear yourself to your coach or your GM or the franchise in general. Keep your head down, keep dropping 25-30 points, playing good D and play hard at training.

The dude is 20.

He literally has one big game against the Kings and one big dunk on Jonas. There are hints and tastes of what he CAN do, but he can't do them at the NBA level on a consistent basis - if he could, you can't tell me Hornacek wouldn't have seen it during practive and wouldn't be playing him like he has with Len.

TONS of players are annoyed and frustrated with their minutes I'm sure, what makes him so special? I hate Plumlee asking for a trade when the team is winning because that's as selfish as you can get in a team sport, but at least he has a full season as a starter under his belt.

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:

The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

I wish I could +50 you.

[thamadkant]

Spoiler:

Goodwin honestly doesn't look like he gives an ish about the D league anymore. His FT shooting hasn't even been a problem in the NBA.

He's shooting 73% from the FT in the NBA for this season. That's not bad at all. 70% for his career.

I get what you mean but when your only 'platform' is practice and the D-League, SHOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.

He can't say he's too good for the D-League if he isn't being efficient and dropping 25pts 47-50%FG and 78%+ from the line.

PROVE you deserve to be in the NBA long term.

I agree with the other guys he'll be Green's replacement, but he needs to be patient and he needs to work on that broken shot. When he shoots a 3 it looks like a PF or C is being forced to take it, his form is horrible and still too low - same at the line.

Goodwin has been very efficient every time that he's actually gotten quality minutes.

11/19 @ SAC: 19 minutes played - 16 pts on 70% shooting

2/25 vs MIN: 16 minutes played - 10 pts on 55% shooting and 5 rebounds

2/26 vs UTA: 27 minutes played - 16 pts on 60% shooting and 7 rebounds.

4/16 @ SAC: 31 minutes played - 29 pts on 84% shooting

He only had one game in which he got good minutes and played bad and that was at home against Sacramento when he got 18 mins of playing time.

Don't get me wrong, I know there's plenty of things for Archie to improve on. Plenty. However, I do feel that his hard work and patience thus far deserves him getting a spot in the rotation for at least a week or two just to see how he does.

I can guarantee we won't lose any games because Goodwin got 5-10 mins in a game. Hell we have seen 20 pt leads drained to 2 pt deficits when Plumlee is in the game or when Green and IT do dumb stuff due to their ridiculous low Bball iq so Goodwin's affect on the score won't be anywhere as bad.

And this is one of the baffling things.

Some fans here have that real high standards when judging a 19-20 year old RAW guard who is still skinny and developing

Any player minus superstar guards look terrible dribbling the ball when pressured. A 20 year old who isn't exposed to high intense game style looking bad dribbling when guarded heavily??? Wow what a terrible thing!

There are Goodwin fans here because when he stepped on the court he has showed more good things than bad things. And always think he is very young and his game style is that of star level guards so he is actually on a uphill battle when he plays. Anyone can just stand on the court and give the ball to your best players and stand back... And you'll blend in and look like a veteran. It's when you try hard things that make you better.



Basically since when do we use the Westbrook/Wade/Bryant standards when judging a late pick 20 year old?

Why not compare him to other 20-21 year old guards who is getting similar burn as him?

Tell you now Goodwin will look so much promising that way.

[JDLAW]

cyberx: "Some in Rox organization are scared Dwight may need microfracture surgery."

Since when, he hasn't missed a game since early December and played 35 minutes on Monday?

Houston has known Howard has been bone-on-bone for some time in his right knee. One of the NBA.com beat writers has reported this about a month ago just as Howard was coming back from his "sprained knee". Howard's knee is severely arthritic for which he has been undergoing various treatments platelets and enriched plasma, Synvisc, etc...

This is behind their refusal to include DMo in any trade discussions and their interest in Brook Lopez.

[thamadkant]

By the time Goodwin is 22 years old and have a stronger body he'll be an impact player.

All the things that people point out as weaknesses are typical traits for young players. Had he really stayed another year in college he would of developed some more however ironically he wouldn't have been available for the Suns to draft.

I'll say it again, McD and Hornacek mentioned the same things. They know what they are doing.

And Alando Tucker? He spent 4 years in college playing PF.

DJ Strawberry never put up numbers that Goodwin has done... Nor looked like he had elite skills. Goodwin scoring 10-12 points penetrating a clogged key and under pressure shows he has real talent.

And why is everyone so bothered by a 10-11th player getting paid 1 million a year developing and getting better... Being on the Suns team?

[jcsunsfan]

And why is everyone so bothered by a 10-11th player getting paid 1 million a year developing and getting better... Being on the Suns team?

Who is bothered by that? It is a little bothering that such a player would complain about playing time or the team signing another player that might compete for minutes with him.

I am perfectly content to keep him on the team, but if I got the chance to trade him for a proven shooter, I certainly would consider it.

[thamadkant]

And why is everyone so bothered by a 10-11th player getting paid 1 million a year developing and getting better... Being on the Suns team?

Who is bothered by that? It is a little bothering that such a player would complain about playing time or the team signing another player that might compete for minutes with him.

I am perfectly content to keep him on the team, but if I got the chance to trade him for a proven shooter, I certainly would consider it.

Go back 5-6 pages and count how many negative Goodwin posts.

Trade him for a shooter who won't get minutes?

Suns had Christmas last year also.


My stance, the FO keep Goodwin at the D league until he is ready to play minutes, either because the team traded some players or Goodwin has shown he deserves to play.

At 1 million dollars a year I keep that high potential player rather than see him play for another team then become a stud... You'll regret it 100 times more.

[sunsfever68]

And why is everyone so bothered by a 10-11th player getting paid 1 million a year developing and getting better... Being on the Suns team?

Who is bothered by that? It is a little bothering that such a player would complain about playing time or the team signing another player that might compete for minutes with him.

I am perfectly content to keep him on the team, but if I got the chance to trade him for a proven shooter, I certainly would consider it.

Go back 5-6 pages and count how many negative Goodwin posts.

Trade him for a shooter who won't get minutes?

Suns had Christmas last year also.


My stance, the FO keep Goodwin at the D league until he is ready to play minutes, either because the team traded some players or Goodwin has shown he deserves to play.

At 1 million dollars a year I keep that high potential player rather than see him play for another team then become a stud... You'll regret it 100 times more.

I agree your fear of loss losing Archie with his high upside, despite his disgruntled stance on playing time, is worth it overall.

Talking to a lot of my good friends former basketball players who know the game they think Archie will be a star.

If he improves his jumper and handles, and he learns to play within the system I see a great player.

You keep Archie and let him get rotation minutes at the backup 2 guard spot after G Green leaves.

As much as I"d love to have G green here in limited role playing smart in the system I don't see room here.

[sunsfever68]

If we have all 4 Bledsoe Dragic Thomas and Goodwin going forward

We need an assertive coach who will demand they play within a system and not all 4 look to dominate the ball and go isolation 1 on 1

All 4 of them are great at that but in reality you can't have 4 scorers you need one or 2 of those guys to do pick and pop, shoot 3's, get midrange buckets, come off screens.

I see Dragic being the one who will sacrifice the most for the team and he could be our Ginobili of sorts.

That's why I was a fan of the Bullock move if he can develop into that 3 and D guy bc that's what we really need at the 3 spot. I see him as an upgrade over Tucker talent wise at his potential.

[AtheJ415]

Spoiler:

Goodwin honestly doesn't look like he gives an ish about the D league anymore. His FT shooting hasn't even been a problem in the NBA.

He's shooting 73% from the FT in the NBA for this season. That's not bad at all. 70% for his career.

I get what you mean but when your only 'platform' is practice and the D-League, SHOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.

He can't say he's too good for the D-League if he isn't being efficient and dropping 25pts 47-50%FG and 78%+ from the line.

PROVE you deserve to be in the NBA long term.

I agree with the other guys he'll be Green's replacement, but he needs to be patient and he needs to work on that broken shot. When he shoots a 3 it looks like a PF or C is being forced to take it, his form is horrible and still too low - same at the line.

Goodwin has been very efficient every time that he's actually gotten quality minutes.

11/19 @ SAC: 19 minutes played - 16 pts on 70% shooting

2/25 vs MIN: 16 minutes played - 10 pts on 55% shooting and 5 rebounds

2/26 vs UTA: 27 minutes played - 16 pts on 60% shooting and 7 rebounds.

4/16 @ SAC: 31 minutes played - 29 pts on 84% shooting

He only had one game in which he got good minutes and played bad and that was at home against Sacramento when he got 18 mins of playing time.

Don't get me wrong, I know there's plenty of things for Archie to improve on. Plenty. However, I do feel that his hard work and patience thus far deserves him getting a spot in the rotation for at least a week or two just to see how he does.

I can guarantee we won't lose any games because Goodwin got 5-10 mins in a game. Hell we have seen 20 pt leads drained to 2 pt deficits when Plumlee is in the game or when Green and IT do dumb stuff due to their ridiculous low Bball iq so Goodwin's affect on the score won't be anywhere as bad.

When has this ever been the case in the NBA? Seriously? I work hard and can be patient. Sign me up and put me in the rotation.

Archie deserves a spot in the rotation when he can beat out the guys currently in the rotation in terms of his production and value on the court. He can't, so he deserves to sit and learn for now.

[RunDogGun]

Isn't there an Archie Goodwin thread?

I'm not sure about the "star" label bestowed on him from so called former players.

Right now he has flashes of talent, followed by complete rookie silliness. He needs to shut his mouth and turn himself into a defensive specialist, work on his ball handling, and get smarter with his decisions. The DLeague is a good spot for him right now.

The problem he will face is if Bullock can guard the two spot, and continue his good shooting from three. But I welcome that healthy completion, it could open the door for a trade of Green or IT.