Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1581 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:56 pm

Ilyasova and Morris have basically the same per 36 stats.

Benefit of Morris - Cheap long term contract, only 5 years in with possible improvement, decent defender, proven with our team.
Benefit of Ilyasova - No character issues, natural stretch 4, better O and D effeciency ratings, could improve with our system.

Basically it probably comes down to whether Markieff has x-factor to go to another level. If he doesn't you'd probably cash him in to get the same output for less drama.

jcsunsfan · Post #1582 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:57 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:If you google "markieff trade," you will see a lot of team articles on how their team can get Markieff. They all have one thing in common, all their trash for Markieff. Gotta love it.

That's probably how most teams actually see Kieff's value right now though.

It's really a double edge sword. You either keep Kieff and risk creating a toxic locker room (or keep him home and never allow his value to rebuild) or you trade him for the best deal you can find (probably trash).

That is not true, or they would not be talking about trying to get him. Markieff is fairly highly regarded around the league. Teams are just hoping to clean up on a "distress sale."

While I know Bleacher report is not the epitome of journalism, this article sees him as the #10 pf in the league right now. Its not that far-fetched. We only see Kieff. We do not see how few decent pf's there are in the league right now.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2396393-br-nba-200-ranking-the-top-power-forwards-of-2014-15-season/page/28

If this article is true, there are 20 teams where Kieff would be an upgrade over their present starter. Take away a few rookies with promise who would carry a premium and you might have as many as 10-15 teams that could potentially be interested.

McD just needs to wait. This moment is the absolute worst time to make a deal.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1583 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:13 pm

Gibson would be a sideways move but we'd have 4 elite defenders in our starting line up to play an up tempo game (GS, Houston prototype that has been successful).

TeamTragic · Post #1584 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:38 pm

1UPZ wrote:
Moochthemonkey wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Don't we spend 6 months trying to get rid of our trash for better players? But then something like Goodwin or 2 future firsts is the deal breaker?

because Goodwin and future firsts aren't trash?

Goodwin is far from trash.

McD thinks so too.

Apparently we still haven't learned about developing youth and giving away picks :noway:

letsgosuns · Post #1585 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:21 pm

Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

YouTube · Post #1586 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:56 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

I would be worried that his hair/paint would melt here in AZ.

carey · Post #1587 » by **carey** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:02 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

Did I just read passing point guard like Bledsoe? Uhh. Ok. Also, Boozer is not good.

Saberestar · Post #1588 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:04 pm

Suns SG Archie Goodwin on the rumors Markieff Morris wants out of Phoenix

https://m.soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/suns-sg-archie-goodwin-on-the-rumors-markieff-morris-wants-out-of-phoenix

Edit: That link doesn't work for me...anyone have a link to heard exactly what he said?

NTB · Post #1589 » by **NTB** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:07 pm

carey wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

Did I just read passing point guard like Bledsoe? Uhh. Ok. Also, Boozer is not good.

Bledsoe is not a selfish player and actually for Knight, Bledsoe is too unselfish. He is not a pass first PG but he plays as a playmaker.

NTB · Post #1590 » by **NTB** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:16 pm

Saberestar wrote:Suns SG Archie Goodwin on the rumors Markieff Morris wants out of Phoenix

https://m.soundcloud.com/siriusxmnba/suns-sg-archie-goodwin-on-the-rumors-markieff-morris-wants-out-of-phoenix

Edit: That link doesn't work for me...anyone have a link to heard exactly what he said?

Basically he says nothing.

Saberestar · Post #1591 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:25 pm

Only speaking real facts! @A1Laflare10 https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/status/630801367599222784 …

https://mobile.twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/630802066609303553

@Keefmorris lol I ain't say nothing in that interview bout the situation. Love you my G

https://mobile.twitter.com/A1Laflare10/status/630822196361850880

RunDogGun · Post #1592 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:32 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

I would be worried that his hair/paint would melt here in AZ.

Putting hair paint aside, if we did Frank's idea of moving Markieff for the rights to Saric, getting Boozer wouldn't be the worst idea. However, I would start Tele and bring Boozer off the bench.

Man AJ is going to go off if we get an older PF after losing Markieff. :lol:

I'm still a wait and see what is really going on with this situation kind of person. We still know very little and the info is still very conflicting. First no contact, then there was a meeting, he won't play for the team, then he will only show up for camp, not any earlier, etc.

RunDogGun · Post #1593 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:36 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Only speaking real facts! @A1Laflare10 https://twitter.com/siriusxmnba/status/630801367599222784 …

https://mobile.twitter.com/Keefmorris/status/630802066609303553

@Keefmorris lol I ain't say nothing in that interview bout the situation. Love you my G

https://mobile.twitter.com/A1Laflare10/status/630822196361850880

Why does it seem that these one and done players rarely ever take an English course?

jcsunsfan · Post #1594 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:41 pm

I wish these players would stop using twitter. The messages are so cryptic and can be interpreted so many different ways, it just fuels fire.

Frank Lee · Post #1595 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:23 pm

and their ego

RaisingArizona · Post #1596 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:38 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Carlos Boozer is still unsigned. I have never been a fan of his even remotely, but he is a pure power forward and a good mid-range shooter and rebounder. He put up 12 points and 7 rebounds on 50% shooting last year in 24 minutes a game and played 71 games. If the Suns trade Markieff and do not get back a starting caliber power forward in return, Boozer could be a good stop-gap until the Suns are able to get a high quality power forward. Signing Boozer for a cheap one year deal also keeps next year's cap space available. Who knows, maybe putting Boozer on the Suns with a passing point guard like Bledsoe and a center like Chandler could revive Boozer's career.

lol. Green font?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1597 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:49 pm

So, does anyone here think PJ could start for us at the 4? I ask for obvious reasons - it would give us the flexibility to lose Keef for a bench player a couple firsts and start PJ in his place. PJ is shorter than Draymond Green, but is otherwise a similar player (not as good a passer), so we could play similarly to the way Golden State does... if PJ can start at the 4.

Bled/[TBD]/Price
Knight/Goodwin/Booker
Warren/Weems
Tucker/Teletovic/Leuer
Chandler/Len/[TBD]

Small team, but lots of shooting. Thoughts?

NTB · Post #1598 » by **NTB** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Also Tucker is better rebounder I guess. I'd like that lineup.

RaisingArizona · Post #1599 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:59 pm

Tucker should not be starting on a team contending for a playoff spot unless he's surrounded by all stars. Just my 2 cents.

Saberestar · Post #1600 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:01 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:So, does anyone here think PJ could start for us at the 4? I ask for obvious reasons - it would give us the flexibility to lose Keef for a bench player a couple firsts and start PJ in his place. PJ is shorter than Draymond Green, but is otherwise a similar player (not as good a passer), so we could play similarly to the way Golden State does... if PJ can start at the 4.

Bled/[TBD]/Price
Knight/Goodwin/Booker
Warren/Weems
Tucker/Teletovic/Leuer
Chandler/Len/[TBD]

Small team, but lots of shooting. Thoughts?

Yes, I think it's our better lineup if we don't have Markieff. T.J. Warren can play a big role in this starting five and he can have space to operate in the lane.
I would bet that this is gonna be our starting five on the opening night.